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Believing and Following are 2 different things. I believe that Jesus existed and preached the Truth. I don't follow him as my Master. I read what he wrote inthe bible, altho i very much doubt and question of the authenticity of the bible. But i don't doubt Christ. You don't have to be related to the doctor to get medicine. You can very much be cured by a Doctor who've you've never met before. But it is very important to hold on to ONE Religion that you can call your own and follow it to your best. I was talking to my brother and he said he was going to meditate in some temple of some Mata ji, we were talking and I told him that Going to meditate in a temple is like eating outside, but don't forget to cook at home, in the long run, cooking at home will suit you better. Well i can only speak for my self, that I Love to eat roti and if i don't eat it for a while, i miss it. Well Meditating in a Temple for some other Guru is like eating outside, nothing is wrong in it, it might just make you realize how great is the home cooking and the value of it might increase and That sooner or later you'll have to come home and Eat roti meaning you'll have to come back to your Sikhi as your dominant meal. For me it only makes me realize how Great were our Gurus to give us the Freedom of trying to understand other paths. They did not Tie us down to ONE Path. They opened our eyes to the world of paths, But they layed down a path that enables us to look at the beauty of others.

I Lack only one thing that cures all those you've listed, that is LOVE. I don't ask for him to save me from 5 theives, but instead i Ask for his Love, his love is all that i need, once i fall in love with him all that which is unneccesary will fall on its own, all the vikaars will fade away. All the Attachments/Laziness will break off. All i need is his love.

Speaking for someone else is a psychological cop-out. What one is saying is, I do not own my thoughts, they are not mine. Thus they are not responsible for them. That person does not have to think. They are using someone else's power to substantiate their positions. If we are to ever own our own power, we will never get it by leaning on someone else's authority. Truth is power, and therefore owning our own truth about who we are is power - self realization. We are the only ones responsible for our truth, not God. God gave us freewill. One can only speak of their own truth or reality. If we listens to God, a Master, or a someone of position or authority, for us to own that truth we must give it our consent. With that consent comes the responsible for the interpretation of what the authority said. If we do not give a truth our consent, then we are hypocrites if we quote it, for we do not really believe it.. People don’t make "I" statements. An "I" statement is one in which we take responsibility for our thoughts and actions. An "I" statement would be I need you to do this, I don’t like that, or I need you to stop doing this "People will say, Master said this or God told me this or the Doctor said that. Thus if someone doesn't like what they say, it’s not them doing it. It’s God or Guru or the doctor's fault. They relied on the expert's recommendation They are not responsible, or so they tell themselves. If you consent, then you own the thought, and you are then responsible for any action taken one it. Every act we do is a self declaration of who we choose to be. Since we are in reality energy beings and not mechanical beings as our cultural story has taught, we are the co-creators of our reality and not the victims. Without awareness we have no choice. This is why most people do not like awareness. If we have a choice then we must take responsibility. People who fail to take the reasonability for their own ignorance or poor judgment, are basically insecure and irresponsible people. "For churches are the hopes of men, varied in their hue, but I am far beyond the church, the Yeast in all you do. Do not see me and church as one for this is not the Truth. The churches come and go and burn! I AM CONSTANT TRUTH!"

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Believe them as a different perception of God. If you are a Sikh then walk on the path set before you. but, if you following Jesus make you are a more humble, more compassionate towards life and others, Brings you closer to godliness, then follow him, because it is the end result that matters, not what path you take. As many Rays are there from the Sun; there are as many paths towards god.

very simple story yet powerfull

Veer, You bring valid points, but you fail to understand what compassion is. Compassion does not invovle intellect. God is Compassionate, he give regardless of what you might do with his gift and when you do screw it up, he gives it again and again. I have been going thru birth to birth screwing up, yet he still is compassionate that he gives me one more chance. If he would use his intellect he should've destroyed me just as easily as i have failed time and time again. But his compassion overtakes his intellect. As is the story you presented of the Scorpion and the Saviour. I have fallen many times, but he extends his hand again and again to help me up. You think god does not know what I will do if he were to give me million of dollars, he knows that there is a chance that i will waste it over maya, yet he gives. He knows and he still gives. That is Compassion and forgiveness. You buy your kids expensive toys when you know he will use them for a few days and lose interest or perhaps break them, but you still buy. Your love and compassion make you do that. "Har bin thooja Koi Nahi" There is no stranger in this world, if there is no other but god, then who are you and who is the stranger? You are absolutly correct by not giving any money to that man that you met after work. You would be feeding his bad habits. That was a wise decision, because he asked you feed him poision and why should you. But in the Case of Neo, Neo did not realize until he got close to the man that he was drunk. Upon approching him either subconciously or conciously he decided to take the man home before he causes harm to himself or someone else by expressing Dhaya/Compassion. Your statement of the man taking out the anger on his family is biased, as just as easily that man could be embarressed that a young man took him home. How stupid he might have looked in front of that young man. The possibitliy of him hurting himself was just as great as you say him taking it out on his family. You think if and when he had gotten home he still wouldn't have taken his anger and frustration out on his family? It does not matter if Neo taking him home will effect him Positivly or Negativly. He was given another chance. If he takes it then good, if he doesn't its his loss. What Waheguru did thru neo was give this man another chance, perhaps something in him will arise that will make him question how he got home. Perhpas that will make him realize the dis-honor he brought upon himself. Perhaps. He was taken home without considering if he is going to do the same thing tomorrow. Neo didn't take him home because he might quit drinking, he took him home because he felt it was the right thing to do at that time. If he had sat down and started to think and contemplate on his actions, if it will do him good or not, then nothing would have gotten done, his mind would've have overpowered his heart. As is the case that sometimes when we want to do something good, the mind creates thousands of reasons why we shouldn't, Does he deserve it?? Does he need it? The time passes by and we are still comtemplating on it. I am not saying not to be Wise about decisions, but one should listen to his heart just as much if not more. The mind gets in the way of the Heart. The heart says compassion, the mind bring intellect. The choice is always yours on which you listen to. They are both good to have, but only one of them is needed to reach God. The other is to use in the world. So do not take this as i am saying not to use your brain, but use it wisely, know when it is necessary and when it is not.

i see what you are trying to say Shaster, but if you see someone on the street, bleeding or hurt would you stop and help them or would u say its their Karma and think who knows maybe he was the bad guy and got beaten up. It shouldn't matter what condition or who that person is in. It is possible that Neo was there for a purpose and saw the old man. Waheguru himself placed Neo in that gas station for that old man. It is not the fault of Neo or waheguru that he will not learn his lesson. The old man himself is ignorent towards his mistakes. We should not defer away from Karms, as some Budhists try to not get involved in anyone or anything, because for them they will trap themselves in the cycle of Karma and would have to reincarnate for their doings so they Avoid doing any kind of Karms. That man could've have hurt himself or someone else if he was left to wander, he ocule've been run over by a car as well...so you can see where this leads into endless possibilities. As it was the nature of the Scorpion to Sting, it was the nature of that man to try to save that scropion from the water. As Mr. §ingh said, the lesson is if you see god or not in all. This should put it in better words: There is an old Chinese tale: A fair was taking place in a small village. There were large crowds and many shops selling different wares. A man fell into a small well nearby, and though he began to shout, no one could hear him above the din. Everyone was so involved in his own work -- buying things, selling things. It was getting close to evening and people were in a hurry to reach home. Shop-keepers began closing their stalls. Who was to hear him? Fortunately a sannyasin who was a follower of Confucius came and sat near the well. He heard the man's shouts and he called down, "Hold your peace, brother. I shall go right away to plead your case, for it is against the law to build a well without a wall. You fell because there was no wall. Have faith in me. My colleagues and I will start a movement for you right away, so that not only this well but all the wells in the villages will have walls." And away he went. This was but natural for Confucius was a reformer who believed in society and its laws. He was a revolutionary. The poor man called out to the sannyasin, "Of what use are future walls? I am drowning right now!" The sannyasin answered, "It is not just your problem. It is a problem for everyone, for the whole of society, not just one person. If society is saved, the individual is saved." He stood up and began shouting, "Listen, brothers! We must see that each well be surrounded by a wall." A Buddhist bhikshu came and sat near the well. He heard the shouting, bent down to look and saw the man in the well. "You are suffering from your actions during your past life," he said to the poor man. "Each of us has to reap the fruit of one's karma. Nothing can be done about it." "Tell me about it later," said the man in the well. "First get me out of here." "But I have renounced all actions," said the monk. "Actions lead to attachments, and attachments cause a man to wander in samsara. I want to free myself from the cycle of birth and death. I don't want to start another karmic cycle by pulling you out of the well. Who knows what you might do if I saved your life? If you kill someone I shall be a partner in your crime, for had I not saved you you wouldn't have committed the crime. Or if you set fire to someone's house? Why should I trap myself by your misdeeds? Besides, please be quiet, I have come here to meditate. You go through your experiences and I shall go through mine. No one can walk on another's path." Since the drowning man was making so much noise the bhikshu got up and left to meditate. Meditation is a great thing. If one is to go around pulling people out of wells, imagine how many wells there are in the village; and there are so many people, so many fairs, you would never get around to meditate. So what can you do? It is better to take care of one's own meditation, then everything else is taken care of. Soon after a Christian missionary happened along. Hearing the man's cries, he quickly pulled out a rope from his knapsack and threw it down the well. He pulled out the man, who fell at his feet and said, "Thank you. You are really a deeply religious man. A follower of Confucius heard me and went on his way, and a Buddhist monk abandoned me to my fate. They just ignored my cries." The Christian said, "There is only one thing I ask of you: keep falling into wells so that we Christians can come to help you out. We always carry a rope. If you were not to fall in the well so that we could save you, how can we attain beatitude?" No one is bothered about any one else. Man's selfishness is so deep-rooted; the one who helps you is only out for his own self-interest. This sort of service is worth nothing. So look at the God within you -- that is knowledge; and don't ever forget the God in others -- that is compassion.

Thanks for Sharing Bro, very nice. Waheguru

To Die, To be No-one, To be Nothing, To hear, see, touch, smell, sense no other but him. Only Him and Him Alone do i want to be. Tu he, Tu he. May-ra Muj may Kush Nahi, Jo Kish Hai so Tay-ra, Tay-ra Tuj Ko Soump Kay, Kai-aa Laa-gay may-ra. Nanak Subh Tayree Vud-aa-ee, Koi Naaoun Na Jaa Nay May-ra.

maybe u tried too hard. Use that method which works...sometimes trying to overachieve sets you back even further.

there is always that if you do get married, Your husband and you might progress even faster on this path of spirituality, who knows maybe you might be able to help him find his path and vice versa. Perhaps that Soul that you will bring into this world, needs a mother like you to progress his path in spirituality. One has to pass thru birth to acheive liberation. Life can be smoother with or without marriage. You can definetly be a Sannayse by not getting married, living alone in Soletude. But being a Sikh is much difficult, because you have to live in this world and be a Sanayasee. Marriage will Only hinder your progress in Spirituality if you let it. If you and your husband understand what it means to be married, then it can become a Aid to your spirituality. So its not a one way street.

BOOOOOLLLAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY SOOONIHAAAAAAAAALLLLL. . . . . . . . . . .

wut is up with inventing a new name so you can stick out of Sikhi, instead of using the name that has been appointed by Gurus themselves....People are making things too complicated just to stand out.

are naamdharis bad??? not trying to be sarcastic. Edit: Nevermind, i had to read with my eyes open.

thanks for sharing ji, very informative.

I'll post the first 5 Pouries Creator of the worlds is One, Before the Maker there is none. Truth His Name, pervading force, Fearless, guileless, timeless source. Never born, the absolute, Self-illumed His attribute. By Guru's Grace the Lord is Known, The Self-existent One is shown. — Jäp — First beginning was the truth; Always has it been the truth; The present time reveals the truth; Eternity shall bear the truth.1. Thinking, brooding cannot yield A glimpse of God or silence wield His presence by the mind revolved On God, the problem is not solved. Hunger is not satisfied By goods the world diversified. A million crafts a man possesses But death his crafts soon dispossesses. How to cast the veil aside And truth within yourself abide? Nanak says: Obey the Law as preordained, Accept God's will as He ordained.1. By the will of God this world And all its myriad forms unfurlled. Countless is the Maker's will, Through His will does life instil. Greatness can a man attain If the will of God ordains. Some are high and some are not, Some are happy with their lot, And others suffer in their life With miseries and endless strife. By His Word is Grace bestowed Yet others tread the endless road, And everywhere His will is heard- Every form obeys His Word. Nanak says: If a man His law may know, Humbleness in him will show. 2. The strong sing praises of His might, The fortunate in Grace delight. His virtues, merits, some may sing, His attributes to song they bring. Some acclaim Him through debate, And some His powers to create; Giving life to take away, Again from death to life relay. Far away He seems to be Or close to us where all can see. Countless beings to discourse On God, a never-ending source. More He gives than we can gain, Inundated, we refrain. God the universe sustains, Through every age He thus maintains. According to His own command The beings walk as He has planned. Nanak says: Happy, calm, the Lord remains, Bliss and joy He maintains. 3. True the Lord, true the Name, Devoted ones His Name acclaim. Beggars gather at His gate And boundless alms there radiate. What could I give to have the chance To find His court and feel His glance? In early morn repeat His Name, His majesty within proclaim. With human birth through karma gained And Grace, may freedom be obtained. Nanak says: Know that God alone is true, Everything does God imbue.4. The Lord cannot be made or spun, Self-existent, He is One. The Lord if by a person served, Honour has that one deserved. Nanak says: Extol the Lord and sing His praise, Let His virtues you appraise. With love of God within your heart, His virtues shall your song impart. Miseries from you will fly And happiness within shall lie. The Word of God to man revealed By Guru does true knowledge yield. Shiva, Brahma, Vishnu all The names of Guru may we call. Saraswati, Lakshmi too, Parvati, these names accrue. Unknowable the Lord remains, Unspeakable are His refrains. From the Guru did I learn, God bestows to each in turn. May I always God recall, May never from the mind Lord fall. 5.

The world has become a Prison. A Prison of Illusion, that is blinding man, after so much pain and suffering in this world he still wants to live in it. Welcome Death. What one cannot attain in his lifetime of 60-70 years, he would not be fullfilled if he lived 1000 years. There are many stories that explain that Death is a Miracle in itself. Accept it, don't fight it. Freezing ones body to be revived in a later time, will only postpone his death. It would suck if someone was revived in the year 2504, and the next day he died in a car crash! How difficult would it be for the soul to be trapped in this body. A question is the Mind alive when the Cyonically preserve someoen?? I have heard that when the mind dies, the Soul leaves the body.

http://www.satsangat.net Scroll all the way down and the last link is the Japji Sahib. Please post your views.

This is Detachment. "Living Free, where u don't care if someone likes you or not, What Others say about you or not, Being able to work and not be influenced by other folks opinion, and still have Joy, Having your Friends walk away from you and you don't feel them walk away, and still be able to say, that if my mother and my father forsakes me then the Lord will take me up."

I know all of you will think im defending the guy who is talking bad about our gurus. But if you people haven't read his book on Japji Sahib, then you don't know what kind of experiences i felt just by reading what he wrote. How my Faith and Love toward our Gurus and God increased. Firstly what kind of sikh was that guy who told Osho that he could be our 11th master??? Secondly, There was probably a reason behind what he said, None of YOU know what that reason was and neither do i. We can call him names, we can call him fake. We can bring our own conclusions to who he was, but it is only he himself who can explain why he said it. I want to know why he said it, because it does sound offensive and ignorent. I am not going to Slander him, I want to question his motive behind what he said. Since he no longer is alive, there can be no answer to his motive. Things are said, but the Motive behind is just as important. I am simply trying to undestand why he said it. Perhaps many of you will think i am trying to bend over backwards to try to justify what he said instead of saying he was a fake. If he is Fake then the Experience that i had when i read his book is also fake. What ever i have grasped about meditation, God, Life from his transcripts is also fake. That is hard for me to take in, because the understanding and the feelings were very real and it brought peace to the mind. That is hard to forget and deny. Perhaps for other it is as simple as pointing fingers and declare him a liar and a prick, but for me i would want to find Faults in my Intellect that cannot grasp his intentions. I look at my faults before i look at others. Perhaps i am missing something that i might have overlooked. Then again i don't know why he said it, but i did find this so it is really up to the individual to decide. Osho talks about his vision, and his books I am not creating any religion. It is only a religiousness, a diffused kind of religiousness, not very tangible. You cannot make a creed out of it, you cannot make a church out of it—impossible! I am not leaving a single Bible or Koran or Gita so you can make a church out of it. When I will leave the world I will leave at least one thousand books, so contradictory to each other that anybody trying to make out any dogma out of them will go crazy. It is impossible to make any dogma out of my ideas, but you can transform your being through them. ggate210 I have been constantly inconsistent so that you will never be able to make a dogma out of me. You will simply go nuts if you try. I am leaving something really terrible for scholars. They will not be able to make any sense out of it. They will go nuts; and they deserve it, they should go nuts. But nobody can create an orthodoxy out of me, it is impossible….From my words you can get burned, but you will not be able to find any kind of theology, dogmatism. You can find a way to live but not a dogma to preach. You can find a rebellious quality to be imbibed, but you will not find a revolutionary theme to be organized. My words are not only on fire. I am putting gunpowder also here and there, which will go on exploding for centuries. I am putting more than needed—I never take any chances. Almost each sentence is going to create trouble for anybody who wants to organize a religion around me. Yes, you can have a loose community, a commune. Remember the word loose: everybody independent, everybody free to live his own way, to interpret me in his own way, to find whatsoever he wants to find. He can find the way he wants to live—and everybody unto himself. There is no need for somebody to decide what my religion is. I am leaving it open-ended. You can work out a definition for yourself, but it is only for yourself; and that too you will have to continuously change. As you understand me more and more, you will have to change it. You cannot go on holding it like a dead thing in your hand. You will have to change it, and it will go on changing you simultaneously. person08 Do you want me to say that I bring you the last message? I am not going to say it. I am not going to be in the company of all these fools who have been trying somehow to make their religion look bigger, higher, truer. I say to you that I am not bringing anybody's message—because there is nobody! I want you to understand that I am simply trying to share my experience with you. It is always fresh, always young; it is always in the now, in the here. That is a fundamental quality of truth. And I'm not saying that after me there will be nobody who will experience it. On the contrary, I am saying to you that if you understand me, there are going to be millions of people after me who will go on and on and on discovering more and more. Even if they have to contradict me, don't bother about it—let them contradict. Who am I? I am not closing the doors. I am not putting a lock on the door and taking the keys with me. My house is without doors. It is open from everywhere—and I want it to remain always open. Naturally, people who will be coming will make new arrangements of the furniture in the house. They may plan a new architecture for the house, they may make new plans for the garden. I leave it to them, but the process will be the same. false21 One of the most important things to be remembered by all is the way you have started your question. The question is, "I have heard You say." Usually, people drop the first part. They simply say, "You have said this." And there is such a great difference between the two, such an immense difference that it is unbridgeable, and needs a great understanding. Whatever you hear is not necessarily the thing said; what is said is not necessarily what you hear. The obvious reason is that I am speaking from a different space of being, and you are hearing from a totally different space. In the transmission, many things change. It is always a sign of understanding to remember that whatever I have said may be totally different than what you have heard. Your question should be about what you have heard, because how can you ask a question about something which you have not heard? golden11 So the greatest work for sannyasins is to keep the message pure, unpolluted by you or by others—and wait. The future is bound to be more receptive, more welcoming. We may not be here but we can manage to change the consciousness for centuries to come. And my interest is not only in this humanity; my interest is in humanity as such. Keep the message pure, twenty-four carat gold. And soon those people will be coming for whom you have made a temple—although it is sad when you are making the temple; nobody comes. And when people start coming, you will not be here. But one has to understand one thing: we are part of a flowing river of consciousness. You may not be here in this form, you may be here in another form, but keep it in mind never to ask such a question that I should be more acceptable, more respectable, more in agreement with the masses. I cannot be. And it is not stubbornness on my part. It is just that truth cannot compromise. It has never done it; it would be the greatest sin. sermon12 The Masters have always believed in the spoken word; there are reasons for it. The Masters have never written books. The spoken word has a lively quality to it; the written word is dead, it is a corpse. When I am speaking to you it is a totally different thing than when you will be reading it in a book, because when you are reading in a book it is only a word; when you are listening to the Master it is more than the word. The presence of the Master is overpowering! Before the word reaches you, the Master has already reached; he is already overflooding you. Your heart is breathing with the Master, beating with the Master in the same rhythm. You are breathing in the same rhythm. There is a communion, an invisible link. the presence of the Master, his gestures, his eyes…the words spoken by him are ordinary words, but when spoken by a Master they carry something of the beyond; they carry some silence, some meditativeness, some of his experience, because they come from his innermost core. It is like passing through a garden: even though you have not touched a single flower, but when you reach home you can still feel the fragrance of the garden; your clothes have caught it, your hairs have caught it. The pollen of the flowers was in the wind. You have not touched anything, but the fragrance was in the air; it has become something part of you. ithat09 Jesus' recorded life was very poor because his followers were obsessed with history. They could not write anything that was beyond history. The eastern mind could see that we cannot do justice to Krishna or Buddha if we limit ourselves to bare events. This will be an injustice because the real has happened somewhere else. Then how to record the real? It cannot be recorded. But, we can create a myth. And that myth can indicate, can show something about it. Those who will read the myth will not read a bare statement of events. They will go deep into the poetry of the myth, deep into the imagination. And it may be possible that somewhere, from their own imagination not from the facts—very far from the facts, from somewhere deep in their own unconscious minds, from what Jung calls 'archetypes'—they might get a glimpse; they may be able to know what has happened beyond history. They may be able to know, from deep down within themselves. History cannot go deep inside you. Only poetry can. But only from within you can something happen which will be in sympathy with the nontemporal, which can be in communion with the nonhistorical. Krishna's life and Buddha's life are only jumping points to enable you to go deeply inside yourself. If you read Tulsidas, a western historian will say that this is not history; this is imagination. It is. But I still say that Tulsidas does more justice to Ram than Luke can ever do to Christ because he knows the secret. By going deeply into what Tulsidas has written, you will again relive the whole phenomenon. Time will be transcended; you will again be in the time of Ram. Now there are no space/time relationships. Deep within yourself, you are in Ram's milieu—as if Ram was present, as if he was somewhere nearby…. This is a mythological approach to the nontemporal. Re-enacting it. Reviving it. Resurrecting it. History cannot do this; only myth can do this. Myth is helpful but not substantial: A creative imagination is needed to fill in the substance…. When we live in time, in the world of events, if someone is not doing anything it seems as if he is not. Doing is everything. Doing is in the realm of history, but being is in the realm of the spirit. You are; you just are. You are not doing anything, not even mentally. Nothing either physical or mental is happening There is no doing at all, no ripple of action at all you are in an absolute nondoing state. But you are! This beingness is the vertical dimension. Through this beingness, you jump into the unknown, into the divine. And unless one jumps into this non-historical, non-temporal moment, one has not known what life is. quest06 The first thing you have to understand is the difference between the fact and the truth. Ordinary history takes care about the facts—what actually happens in the world of matter, he incidents. It does not take care about the truth, because it does not happen in the world of matter; it happens in consciousness. And man is not yet mature enough to take care about the events of consciousness. He surely takes care about events happening in time and in space; those are the facts. But he is not mature enough, not insightful enough to take care about what happens beyond time and beyond space—in other words, what happens beyond mind, what happens in consciousness. One day we will have to write the whole of history with a totally different orientation, because the facts are trivia—although they are material, they don't matter. And the truths are immaterial but they matter. The new orientation for a future history will take care about what happened inside Gautam Buddha when he became enlightened, what went on happening while he was in the body for forty-two years after his enlightenment. And what was happening in those forty-two years is not going to be discontinued just because the body drops dead. It had no concern with the body. It was a phenomenon in consciousness, and consciousness continues. The pilgrimage of the consciousness is endless. So what was happening in the consciousness inside the body, will go on happening outside the body. That is a simple understanding. So this story is a story of inner happenings. rebel27 Lao Tzu, one of the most important figures in the history of non-doing…. If history is to be written rightly then there should be two kinds of histories: the history of doers—Genghis Khan, Tamerlane, Nadirshah, Alexander, Napoleon Bonaparte, Ivan the Terrible, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini; these are the people who belong to the world of doing. There should be another history, a higher history, a real history—of human consciousness, of human evolution: the history of Lao Tzu, Chuang Tzu, Lieh Tzu, Gautam Buddha, Mahavira, Bodhidharma; a totally different kind. upan28 It is one of my deep desires that when our mystery schools are functioning, slowly slowly, we will bring from all over the world the great mystical scriptures, without any consideration of to whom they belong, and publish them with the latest commentaries, so that mysticism does not remain just a word but becomes a vast literature, and anybody can devote his whole life to understanding what the mystics have given to the world. transm25 What I am doing here is play—it is not work. When I am gone, my work is to be known as play, never as work. So take it non-seriously. Seriousness is a disease and through seriousness no one has ever gone beyond. Seriousness is so heavy that it makes you rooted in the gravitation. One needs to be very playful, then one can go beyond gravitation—one can fly! A great unburdening is needed, so just be playful about it. When I say, 'when walking, watch,' I mean be playful. If sometimes you forget, nothing is wrong in it. Watch that too—you have forgotten, good! Then again you remember, good! Both are good. In fact there is a rhythm. You cannot constantly watch; it is just like breathing in, breathing out. whip08 Life is love and love is celebration. Celebration is the very core of religion, the soul. Without celebration religion becomes a corpse. And that's what has happened to religions in the past again and again: they become serious. And the moment they become. serious, only the dead body is there. Religion remains alive only through celebration. When Buddha is there, there is celebration. When Krishna is there, there is celebration. When Jesus is there, there is celebration. The moment the Master leaves the body the disciples become very serious, they become fanatics, and they start becoming missionaries: they want to convert the whole world. They start arguing, proving, disproving; they create theology. And slowly slowly the soul dies—they become too engaged with other things. Religion lives only through celebration, as celebration. But this point has been missed again and again; that's why so many religions were born but they all died, and they all died a premature death. It was not necessary to die; they could have lived and served humanity. I want to make it very conscious in my sannyasins not to be serious; be sincere but don't be serious. And remember continuously that existence is in a constant celebration. When you are in celebration you are in tune with existence, in tune with God, in tune with Tao. When you become serious you fall apart. The old proverb is right: When you laugh the whole world laughs with you, but when you cry, when you weep, you weep alone. People are ready to share with you if you are happy. They themselves are in enough misery—who wants to be with a serious man? The serious man is heavy. It is said that you cannot live with a saint twentyfour hours a day: you will die of boredom. But of course, these are not saints about whom that is said; otherwise you can live with a saint for eternity and you can go on celebrating. But then the saint has to have a different taste, a different flavor to him. That flavor is called utsavo. My sannyasins have to be laughing, dancing, singing. That is their prayer. If you can laugh a heartful laugh, it is prayer. If you can dance to abandon, it is prayer. If you can sing your being, that is prayer. And there is no need to take religion seriously. Seriousness is pathological. Children are not serious, because they are very close to the source of life. The birds are not serious; nobody has ever come across a bird who is serious. The trees are not serious; nobody has ever seen a tree serious. It is all joy…it is continuous celebration. Even when a flower is dying and the petals are falling there is no seriousness at all; even in the dying flower you will see joy and beauty and thankfulness. And that's how a man should live and should die. Dancing one should live, and dancing one should die. I teach the dancing God. athing05

Excellent Khalsa veer, much gratitude for that book. Waheguru. Hari ji, i feel the same way, but i can't tell others for some people won't try to understand it, they would start to fight with me...but then i would realize that everyone is walking by their own pace. Sooner or later they will too realize. Waheguru blesses us with Intellect and everyone's stage is different on that level.

Guru Ji was sent by Waheguru As are YOU. Anwer this veer, what was the purpose of Guru ji spending 3 days in the River, why didn't Guru ji just started to utter the Japji sahib earlier?? Don't take the words Self-Realization as if Guru ji had no idea who he was before the 3 days in the river and before Japji Sahib. Osho says them as the Guru Nanak ji was transformed in Totality of Self-Realization after those 3 days. That is my undesrtanding of it. Veer Did Osho say it was the ONLY gift? It is the First Gift, not the ONLY.

a method to get in tune with Esoteric groups?? Im sure he has. im working my way thru his matrial...if u happen to have a link to where he talks about dreams, it would make it easier on me..

You ask: "Does this enlightenment happening occur suddenly and unexpectedly?" Both things can be said. It cannot be predicted, so it happens suddenly. Nobody can say when it will happen. My own disciples go on asking me, "When? Give the date, the day, the month, the year!" And I have to go on lying to them. I go on saying, "Soon!" Soon doesn't mean anything. And soon is a beautiful word, because I need never change it. Whenever you ask I will say, "Soon!" The happening is unpredictable because it is so vast a phenomenon. And it is not mechanical, it is not mathematical, so you cannot conclude about it. And it is very mysterious; when it has happened, only then you know that it has happened. So in a sense, because it is unpredictable it is always sudden. Even you don't know when it will happen. Suddenly one day when it has happened you become aware that it has happened. Not even a single moment before will you be aware that this is going to happen. You will become aware only when it has happened already. Then you will feel that you are no more the same, the man who was there has disappeared and a new man is there in his place—somebody new. You are unacquainted, you cannot recognize yourself. There has been a gap, the old continuity has been broken and something new has come into its place. Even your master cannot predict it. He may become aware that something is going to happen, but he cannot predict it. There are problems—because even the prediction will change the whole situation. This is the problem, even the prediction will change it. If I become aware that something is going to happen to you tomorrow morning, I cannot say it because that will change the whole situation. If I say, "Tomorrow morning this is going to happen," you will become tense and you will start expecting and you will start waiting. You will not be able to sleep in the night. Then the whole thing is finished, then it is not going to happen tomorrow morning. Even if your master becomes aware…because there are signs that show that something is going to happen. Your master can see that you are pregnant, he can feel, but it is not such a fixed affair that within nine months the child will be born. You may take nine years, you may take nine lives, you may not take even nine days; even nine moments may be enough. It depends, and it depends on such multidimensional things that nothing can be said. And if something is said, the very assertion will change the whole situation. So the master has to wait, just watch and not say anything. In this sense it is sudden, but in another sense it is not sudden, because you have to make efforts for it, you have to prepare. You have to prepare the ground, you have to open the doors. The guest may come suddenly, but if your doors are closed he may come and go back. So you have to open the doors, you have to clean the house, you have to prepare food for the guest—you have to be ready. You have to watch and wait at the door—any moment the guest can come. vedant09 Two days ago a lady came to me and said, "I am well advanced in years and am nearing death. When will I attain enlightenment? Please hurry and do something lest I die." I told her to come for meditation for a few days; then we would see what is to be done. She said, "I do not want to be bothered with meditation. Do something so that I may attain enlightenment." Now this lady is searching to get something without paying for it. Such a search is dangerous. You gain nothing by it; on the contrary you lose. The meditator should not harbor any such expectations. One receives what one is ready for. You should trust that this is so. mirac206 Many people come to me and ask, "How to know that such and such a person is really enlightened?" Where is the necessity for you to know whether a person is really enlightened or not? If you can stay aware of whether you are enlightened or not, that is enough. Even if the other has become enlightened, this in itself does not make you enlightened. If the other has not become enlightened, this does not bring any hindrance to your enlightenment. But why do we think in this manner? There are reasons for it. We want to make sure that nobody has attained to nonattachment. That gives us a sort of relief. Then there is no harm…if I have not attained to nonattachment then there is no harm, nobody else has attained it either! This gives a consolation to the mind, a support to the mind, that I am fine as I am because nobody has ever attained, and neither have I. This is why our mind is never willing to accept that anybody has attained to nonattachment. We try to find all kinds of loopholes to show that the person has not yet attained. If somebody has attained to nonattachment it creates an inner discomfort within us. That discomfort is that if somebody else has attained, it only means that I can also attain but am unable to do so—and this creates anxiety and guilt. Hence nobody in this world accepts the other as right. It has nothing to do with the other, but in not accepting anybody as right it becomes easier to accept one's own evils. finger12 Meditation means dehypnotization. The process looks just the same. Many people come to me and they say, "Whatsoever is being done here, is it not hypnosis?" It is dehypnosis. The process is the same, but the dimension is reversed. You can hypnotize yourself—that is going further from yourself towards the object. You can dehypnotize yourself—that is going back from the object towards oneself. When you are centered in some object, you are hypnotized. When you are centered in yourself, you are dehypnotized. When you are yourself, you are beyond hypnosis. thou27 In the old days, particularly in the East, hypnosis was used in every ashram. The master used it in every way to help you, because consciously you may take years to do a particular thing but in hypnosis, through hypnosis, within seconds it can be done. Unnecessary effort can be saved. But only masters were allowed to hypnotize. Hypnosis remained a secret science in the East; it was not used publicly because there are possibilities of misusing it. vedant09