Morghe Sahar

laalsingh it's quite obvious you're not doing simran.

The theory of the Aramaic gospel found in Tibet goes back to Nikolai Notovich and was of course another 19th century spiritualist hoax. Reverend Gideon Jasper Richard Ouseley claims to have seen the gospel in his dreams and that Jesus translated it for him. The word Mleccha means barbarian and qualifies all non Indians, be it Chinese, Persians, Arabs or Europeans. Scythians were also considered mlecchas when they came to India.

Utter rubbish and nonsense. That text is not even fron Jesus' time. It was written by a reverend 19 centuries after Jesus on the basis of dreams.

I feel compelled to reply to this topic. This is in fact highly problematic. 1. The Bhavishyapurana is at best a problematic work with different parts dating from different periods. It was used extensively by the Ahmadiyya Qadianis to prove their point about Jesus having died in Kashmir, a theory for which there is not a single piece of evidence. The German writer Holger Kersten who propagated that theory in the West believe himself that Jesus' lofty teachings couldn't possibly be of Semitic origin and that he must have learnt them from an Ayran source. He then shows a picture of a Sikh and a Kashmiri pointing out at their noses to show the difference between Aryans and Semites to prove that Israel's lost tribe has survived in Kashmir.The underlying Antisemitism of that theory is just blattant. There simply is no proof that the Ishaputra born of a Kumari is Jesus. It is again this typical Indo-Pakistani trait to try to link two totally different words that mean different things in different languages and to say:"Joo see it iz same" 2. The Gospel of the Holy Twelve is not even an apocryphal work. It was written by Reverend Gideon Jasper Richard Ouseley in the 19th century. It is not even an appocryphal gospel. The vegetarian Jesus thesis is to say the least an extremely weak one given the fact that Jesus described himself as the renewer of the law of Moses.

1. The Quran forbids rape with any woman. 2. It further forbids sex with slave girls without their consent and forbids using them as sex slaves. 3. Sunni hadiths even the Sahi ones have problems in terms of ilm ul rajal in terms of their chain of narrators. 4. Rape is a crime punished by death in Shi'a fiqh and that is the also the case in Iran. You went actually further than just quoting a Sunni hadith. And as for dealing with Sunnism, I guess the way the Safavids dealt with Sunnis speaks volumes.

As I said before, rape is forbidden in Islam.Quoting Sunni hadiths to me won't change anything.In terms of Islamic law you are guilty of blasphemy against Hazrat Mohammad (pbuh) , Hazrat Amir ol Momineen Ali ibn abi Talib (as) as well as against Hazrat Shahr Bano (as), daughter of Yazdegard III , wife of Imam Hussain (as) and mother of Imam Zainol Abedeen (as). The punishment may only be enacted in a country that applies Islamic law.

"Seriously, although I am not taking sides here as I see innocents dying and henious acts on both sides, how can you come up with the above statement knowing how the Islamic Empire expanded, they didn't exactly get invited to rule half the word (by invading other lands) at one time did they?" Palestine was Christian NOT Jewish when Omar ibn al Khattab invaded it. Then again the Dharmashastras make conquest the duty of the raja. That is precisely the reason for the ashvamedha ritual of which your 10th master talks about in Dasam Granth. Doesn't your Karni Namah talk about conquest too`? During Imam Ali's rule no invasion took place. And yes there were people who did invite the Muslims armies to bring some order into chaos: my ancestors. Tony32hp and mithar, decency forbids me to find the appropriate word to qualify you both.I pray you both never set foot in an Islamic country that has blasphemy laws.

Search the website all the info is in there. THe prohibition to return to Israel until the arrival of the Meshiach is in the Talmud and confirmed by passages of the Tanach. The reason why God condemned the Jews to exile is because they disobeyed His Laws and persecuted His prophets. Jews are supposed to repent, return to His laws and be an example for the other nations until the Meshiach returns. This is what the Talmud and the Tanach say and confirmed by 20 centuries of rabbinical tradition, until the secular Zionists sponsored by mainly British Christian Zionists and German antisemites created the project of a state for Jews by Jews in Palestine as a vanguard of Western civilization in the Middle East as described in the writings of Theodor Herzl such as Der Judenstaat. This project has been rejected as pure heresy by the majority of orthodox rabbis until the majority of them got eliminated during the Holocaust.

1. Rape is a sin and a crime punished by death under shari'a law. At least in our sources. 2. I never talked about prowess. I talked about Zionists (not Jews) actually putting their ideas into actions. 3. Holocaust Jews have been complaining for a long time about the abuses of the Zionists well before you were even born. And so have Sephardic Jews who were used for medical experiments by European Zionists. This was very well documented on a recent programm on an Israeli channel. I may disagree with Zionists but I can't deny the few qualities you have which you lack completely. If you hate Muslims and Islam, do something about it: create a group, get guns, but put your thoughts into actions instead of whining like a 14yo cheerleader whose favourite book is called "not without my daughter".

Tonyhp32, I grew up with Holocaust survivors as neighbours and let me tell you what they say: The Zionists have used our suffering to justify their atrocities. But I have to give Zionists one thing. I hate their ideology but at least they fight for what they believe is right. Zionists fromn all over the world go every year to do their military service in Israeli although they're not Israeli nationals. They give up their comfortable lives to fight for their idealm as wrong as it may be. You are not even worth the sole of the shoes of a Zionists. You want Khalistan? Simple: get off this computer return to Panjab get a gun or create a party. Until then you're not even worth to be compared to a Zionist. I can understand that many Jews may want a safe home because of all the stuff they still go through due to antisemitism. But the solution is not to be found at the expense of another people's land.

Mithar one more thing: If you have issues with Pakistan go to the Pakistani embassy. I am not Pakistani, in fact I am not even from that region and I have no interest in defending Pakistanis. As I said before in my experience of both communities in the UK I find you both despicable except for some individuals. What you're blabbering about is something you shoul adress to Pakistanis. Just so we're clear.

Chatanga1: 1. Jews as per their own laws are not allowed on the Temple mount. 2. They have always been allowed access to the wailing wall as far as I can recollect. But sure is from the Orthodox Jewish point of view: Jews cannot go on the Temple Mount until the Meshiah has arrived. Zionists of course disagree but then again Zionists are not even real Jews.

Here is another link on Nazi support for Zionism: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemi...nazisupport.cfm from a Jewish website endorsed by orthodox rabbis.

Chatanga1 you can get all the information you want from the following Jewish websites: http://www.nkusa.org/ http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/zanda.cfm I leave Tony32hp to his rape fantasies. Just one thing: Stop using the word Jews for Zionists. I love Jews too much to seem them being confused with that scum.

Ach der Tony weint uns ein kleines Klageliedchen... 1. There were alread Jews living in Palestine. And they opposed the Zionist Jews who came from Europe. 2. The Zionists via the Ergun terrorist group (the first ones to introduce suicide bombing in the region...) terrorised the local orthodox Jews as as the British mandate forces. 3. When they obtained the UN mandate they invades several Arab towns and villages and eliminated the local Arab population i.e. Muslims and Christians.I know several Palestinian Christian families who described how the Zionists butchered whole localities, took pictures and flew over other Arab towns throwing leaflets showing the horror saying: Leave or the same will happen to you. 4. Orthodox Judaism opposes a Jewish state as God has condemned Jews to exile for disobeying his law. There is no theological justification for Israel to even exist.Zionists were able to impose their views after the orthodox leadership had been eliminated by the Nazis, quite often with Zionist collaboration. Even Zionist rabbis say that if it weren't for the Torah saying that the land belongs to Jews, Zionist would have to be considered genocides and thieves: http://www.dailymotion.com/bookmarks/Bahad...uple-lu-ce_news

Bla Bla Bla You seem to forget a bit of of the Congres- Muslim League relations history, especially Jinnah's membership in Congress before he left when he saw the increasing Hinduisation of the Congress because of Gandhi's mixing of Neo-Hinduism with politics. Had the Congress party remained a secular party things would probably not have turned that way. In any case there is nothing Islamic or dharmic in massacring innocent people on both sides. As for the "shiver down the spine effect"...I can't say I am impressed in the same I way that I am not impressed when Pakistanis brag about killing Hindus and Sikhs. Just another "who's got the biggest danda" game...In which of course Pakistanis and Indians are bound to lose anyway...

"Bahadur, at least the Jews had some UN resolution, Muslims on the other hand don't even require any UN resolution when they do the same thing to the Kafirs. That is what they did to the Sikhs in 46-47 in west Punjab. My family lived there for centuries and were forced off their land. What the Sudanese are doing to the people of Darfur and Southern Sudan is the same. BTW, the Greeks were the majority on the Coastal regions of Turkey. Istanbul was their capital then known as Constantinople." 1. The Zionists received UN approval not Jews. 2. It was Britain that partitionned India not "the Muslims" 3. Same thing could be said about Muslims who had to leave East Panjab. I bet you they're saying that "Sikhs and Hindus stole our land". 4. Does stealing someone's land with UN approval make it any better? 5. Turkey is not just make of costal regions my friend unless fo course you're a German or British tourist. 6. Greeks still lived there under the Ottoman empire and conserved their religion. Again I see that you would agree to strangers stealing your home and land if the UN gave them a resolution to do so. I am impressed.

Nice to see that Mithar is also one of those who would accept to give up his land and house if the UN were to vote so.I'd love to see your face when some unknown guy knocks to your door tells you that you have 30 minutes to pack you things and leave because the UN gave hinm permission to have your house. Greeks lost Turkey? Greeks were a minority in Turkey, the majority was made of Aramaic Christians who were treated as second class citizens by the Greeks. That is one of the reasons why they converted to Islam.

So if I understand you correctly tonyhp32...if the UN decides that your house and land should be given to someone else you would accept. WOW As for the dhimmi status: I always advocated a multireligious state in Palestine not an Islamic state given the high percentage of Jews and Christians. Turkey was conquered by Turks Einstein not Arabs...

In Israel there are more people dying fron car accidents than from Kasam rockets.So equating both sides knowing that it is Israelis that have stolen the land. If they only trie to integrate in the Middel East instead of thinking that they're the West's extention in the Middle East.

Hamas' aim is to destroy Israel as political entity not necessarily on a military level.

From what I remember vaguely, Ramananda after having deviated from the true path was granted the gift of naam and so came became worthy of being a bhagat.

Mekhane'ch Jannat wrote: "The world has become too small to be a muslim." No worries we'll make it bigger

Mekhane'ch Jannat wrote: "You do not need divine guidance to know when your words affect an individual in a negative way. Words that cause anger hatred and resentment, are demonic instruments that suck vitality or energy from a individual. I know that when I am angry I waste energy and feel lethargic in life. Whether bound by rules or boundaries nevertheless what you say if it causes anger hatred or resentment in an individual even though it be the truth becomes demonic. We live in a dangerous world brother. The world has become too small to be a muslim." Words that affect others in a negative way...that cause anger and resentment are demonic instruemnts... WOW that applies exactly to the person who wrote that the Prophet (pbuh) became the king of Arabia, cut the lingas of kings and had his name repeated above God's. Also seems to apply to that famous Damdami Taksal head who said that the Prophet (pbuh) had created a nation of eunuchs and that he was a false prophet. Yes bro you are spot on!!!

If you base yourself on Sunni sources of course.