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When translating do people think it is acceptable to use the word 'scripture' for bani? Opinions appreciated.

So he was living in a mansion not a cave apparently....hhmmmm No surprises with it being Pakistan though. These geezers smash it. Harbour OBL on one hand, receive an open cheque from the Yanks for fighting terrorism on the other. That is some serious politicking.

Are you telling me that you haven't noticed the 'Anglospheres' hand in a lot of recent things. Hell, even the name itself says a lot. But you being stuck where you are probably can't see it. WTF has Obama got to do with it? Don't you get that when you come up in the Anglocentric system you are tied to a lot of its legacy and characteristics. His ability to freely act how he wants would be curtailed by this. In any case, 'whitey' is more of a political, cultural construct than purely a racial one, as they frequently do get non whites to act along their lines. Look at that Nikki Haley for example. Sometimes people willingly become whiteys pawns, sometimes they don't want to, but are constrained by the environment around them (I could be wrong but I think Obama falls in the latter category). Back to the point. These other imperial nations you mentioned didn't make noise about being the opposite of what they were. Therein lies the difference. Try and see the nuances here. The hypocrisy stinks. If any Arabs recently invaded another nation, they never really did it shouting about how civilised and sophisticated they are and how they are only doing it as some righteous favour to those being invaded. You better be careful that you don't end up being another dimwitted apologist for them. There is already enough of them as it is.

I know but that was a case of our lot being stupid. I don't know if sullay have the same problem with accepting death like that.

What I find strange is that those leaders who are blatantly against the wahhabi type Islam (like Saddam and Qaddafi) also get targeted so hard. And you are being Indian again. The west likes to go on like it no longer has imperial agendas and is progressive, but when you see all this it just makes you think that whitey, despite all his rhetoric to the contrary, hasn't really changed at all. The hypocrisy stinks. If another Arab country decided to invade an oil rich country like they have, they would be jumping up and down about it.

Well they have his body apparently, so denying his death seems out of the question.

I heard he was hardly involved in command nowadays anyway?

Does this mean the end of Al Qaeda then?

(ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨਾਂ ਦੀਆਂ ਪੰਜ ਨਿਮਾਜ਼ਾਂ ਹਨ, (ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੇ) ਪੰਜ ਵਕਤ ਹਨ ਤੇ ਪੰਜਾਂ ਹੀ ਨਿਮਾਜ਼ਾਂ ਦੇ (ਵਖੋ ਵਖਰੇ) ਪੰਜ ਨਾਮ। Muslims have five Namazs, these have five times and five distinct names. (ਪਰ ਅਸਾਡੇ ਮਤ ਵਿਚ ਅਸਲ ਨਿਮਾਜ਼ਾਂ ਇਉਂ ਹਨ-) ਸੱਚ ਬੋਲਣਾ ਨਮਾਜ਼ ਦਾ ਪਹਿਲਾ ਨਾਮ ਹੈ (ਭਾਵ, ਸਵੇਰ ਦੀ ਪਹਿਲੀ ਨਿਮਾਜ਼ ਹੈ), (But in our belief system the real Namazs are thus -) Speaking the truth is the name of the first namaz (meaning it is the first morning namaz), ਹੱਕ ਦੀ ਕਮਾਈ ਦੂਜੀ ਨਮਾਜ਼ ਹੈ, ਰੱਬ ਤੋਂ ਸਭ ਦਾ ਭਲਾ ਮੰਗਣਾ ਨਿਮਾਜ਼ ਦਾ ਤੀਜਾ ਨਾਮ ਹੈ। Rightful earnings are the second namaz, asking God for the wellbeing of all is the name of the third namaz ਨੀਅਤਿ ਨੂੰ ਸਾਫ਼ ਕਰਨਾ ਮਨ ਨੂੰ ਸਾਫ਼ ਰੱਖਣਾ ਇਹ ਚਉਥੀ ਨਿਮਾਜ਼ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੀ ਸਿਫ਼ਤਿ-ਸਾਲਾਹ ਤੇ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਕਰਨੀ ਇਹ ਪੰਜਵੀਂ ਨਮਾਜ਼ ਹੈ। Making your intentions pure and keeping your mind pure, this is the fourth namaz and the praising and laudation of The great soul [Parmatama] is the fifth namaz (ਇਹਨਾਂ ਪੰਜਾਂ ਨਮਾਜ਼ਾਂ ਦੇ ਨਾਲ ਨਾਲ) ਉੱਚਾ ਆਚਰਣ ਬਨਾਣ-ਰੂਪ ਕਲਮਾ ਪੜ੍ਹੇ ਤਾਂ (ਆਪਣੇ ਆਪ ਨੂੰ) ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ਅਖਵਾਏ (ਭਾਵ, ਤਾਂ ਹੀ ਸੱਚਾ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ਅਖਵਾ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ)। ਹੇ ਨਾਨਕ! (ਇਹਨਾਂ ਨਮਾਜ਼ਾਂ ਤੇ ਕਲਮੇ ਤੋਂ ਖੁੰਝੇ ਹੋਏ) ਜਿਤਨੇ ਭੀ ਹਨ ਉਹ ਕੂੜ ਦੇ ਵਪਾਰੀ ਹਨ ਤੇ ਕੂੜੇ ਦੀ ਇੱਜ਼ਤ ਭੀ ਕੂੜੀ ਹੀ ਹੁੰਦੀ ਹੈ।੩। (And if with these five namazs) the kalma is read with a high moral conduct (ਉੱਚਾ ਆਚਰਣ) [see note 1 below] then call yourself a Muslim (meaning only then can you call yourself a true Muslim). O Nanak! (Those who are led stray (ਖੁੰਝੇ) by these namazs and kalmay), however many they may be, they are merchants of falseness (ਕੂੜ ਦੇ ਵਪਾਰ) and the dignity (ਇੱਜ਼ਤ) of the false is false too. Note 1: couldn't find what ਬਨਾਣ-ਰੂਪ meant??

They smell vulnerability and want to get rid of Gadaffi and grab all the oil in his nation. Simples. Whitey isn't even interested in any 'peace talk'. The quicker they can get rid of Qadaffi, the sooner they can get on with benefiting from the spoils.

Here's an interesting tuk: ਜਲਿ ਥਲਿ ਜੀਆ ਪੁਰੀਆ ਲੋਆ ਆਕਾਰਾ ਆਕਾਰ ॥ There are beings and creatures in the water and on the land, in the worlds and universes, form upon form. Ang 466 Prof. Sahib Singh: ਜਲ ਵਿਚ ਰਹਿਣ ਵਾਲੇ, ਧਰਤੀ ਉੱਤੇ ਵੱਸਣ ਵਾਲੇ, ਬੇਅੰਤ ਪੁਰੀਆਂ, ਲੋਕਾਂ ਅਤੇ ਬ੍ਰਹਿਮੰਡ ਦੇ ਜੀਵ-ਉਹ ਸਾਰੇ ਜੋ ਕੁਝ ਆਖਦੇ ਹਨ ਸਭ ਕੁਝ, (ਹੇ ਕਰਤਾਰ!) ਤੂੰ ਜਾਣਦਾ ਹੈਂ, ਉਹਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਤੇਰਾ ਹੀ ਆਸਰਾ ਹੈ।

Does anyone think that old time western scientists may have been 'borrowing' or adapting principles from ancient Indic sources? Especially in the field of physics?

I wonder what they are buying from the Jews these days??

Do you think India is being anyone's chumcha right now? Or do you think she has managed to keep her political independence? A lot of people were surprised at how India knocked the states on this contract.

I heard that whilst the first batch of the ordered planes will be manufactured abroad, the contract stipulates that the later bulk of them will be manufactured in India itself. If true, that's a smart move. There have apparently been issues with MIGS in terms of spare parts and the US's close relations with Pakistan might have influenced things against them?

ਪਰਮਾਤਮ ਹੈਂ ॥ ਸਰਬਾਤਮ ਹੈਂ ॥ Jaap Sahib

Do you think we're in some New York Gurdwara or something?

In the end you can stop going on like some know it all brahm giani yourself. You make me laugh. Only 5? What is that, your mental age?

Here it comes! The frothing at the mouth. lol You haven't got a clue about what you are talking about. Besides I think people come to a forum like this to get a break from the narrow minded like yourself. But give us a laugh anyway. Carry on. Vaddha aiya.

What blows my mind is how simple pendu khalistani types seem totally oblivious to all this, especially in terms of how this impacts on western relations with India and in turn, their corollary position towards them. By all means go on marches and highlight abuses as much as you can but don't ignore the fact that in the face of billion dollar deals like this, certain governments aren't really going to give a half penny toss about the Sikh cause. We really do seem like a quom of naive simpletons sometimes.

By your logic, when satguru asked for a Singh to come forward as a target to test the accuracy of some musket and two Sikhs were squabbling over the privilege. They become liars - because they never went ahead and shot at the Singhs with the guns. More unnecessary accusations, negativity and superciliousness from you. Give it a rest.

No. Mohammad was on the lusty side, plain and simple.

Another take on it: http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2011/04/28/india-takes-a-nam-route-on-11bn-fighter-contract/

Lawyers called to clarify rules of conflict in Libya By Kim Sengupta, Defence Correspondent The United Nations resolution under which Britain and Nato allies have intervened in Libya does not allow the training of rebel forces or helping them to plan military missions against Muammar Gaddafi's forces, according to government lawyers in London. In echoes of the controversy surrounding the legal justification for the Iraq invasion presented by the Blair administration, senior British military officers have privately stated that they would like clarification on the standing of their forces under international law as pressure grows for greater involvement of UK forces. There are currently around a dozen British military personnel – under the command of an army colonel who had recently served with distinction in Helmand – based in Benghazi, the capital of "Free Libya". However, although the team has helped to set up secure communications between the opposition forces and Nato in Belgium, they are under orders, following legal advice, not to play any direct part in organising operations. With the conflict appearing to have reached an impasse on the ground David Cameron has told MPs that he was considering arming the revolutionaries. At the same time, the Defence Secretary Liam Fox stated that the regime's command and control, and by inference Col Gaddafi, were legitimate targets for Western air strikes. Military sources have, however, disclosed that the Government's lawyers are concerned that UN resolution 1973, which allows action to be taken to protect civilians, does not extend to overtly taking sides in a civil war. One senior officer said: "There is a need for clarity on what exactly [uN resolution] 1973 allows us. The lawyers have been going through it with a fine-tooth comb but there appear to be some differences in interpretation and it would obviously be helpful to find out exactly where one stands. "Ideally the training of the rebels should be carried out by an Arab country in the region. But these countries have shown little inclination to do this and one can see pressure growing on Nato members to fulfil this role. My understanding is that the current UN resolution does not stretch to this, so we need to know whether the next step would be to seek another resolution or reinterpret the one we have got." There is also anxiety among senior officers that the Government is rushing to support a rebel force based in Benghazi which remains disorganised and in a state of disarray. Two commanders, General Abdel-Fatah Younes and General Khalifa Haftar, each claim to be in charge, while the first sizeable shipment of foreign arms, around 500 Kalashanikov rifles supplied by Qatar, has largely disappeared after being handed over by the revolutionaries' chief trainer, a man without any military experience, to "volunteer fighters". The Russian Prime Minister, Vladimir Putin, accused the West of attempting to justify political assassination in the guise of protecting civilians: "They said they didn't want to kill Gaddafi. Now some officials say, 'Yes, we are trying to kill Gaddafi'. Who permitted this – was there any trial? Who took on the right to execute this man?" In London, Mr Cameron, in a letter to the Conservative MP Bill Cash, stated: "We don't rule out supplying lethal equipment, but we haven't decided to do so." Mr Cash commented: "The Government's policy seems to be as clear as mud."

It's a good job these guys generally seem to suck at violence too. I mean it's bad enough as it is, but can you imagine how much worse it would look if people got seriously screwed over or even killed.