dalsingh101

Now it's my turn not to understand what you are trying to say?

We should have a caption competition!!! Here's another one: See this here $10,000 Rolex on my wrist? Well, I've got two of them mfs!

That thing he is doing with his fingers is considered swearing in Anglo culture. It is like telling some one to f*** off.

Screw all of you, we do what we want!

I've read it, many years ago. Thought it just tried to sketch out the thesis that Sikhi has no (or little) boundaries to Hinduism myself. He used 'folk Sikhi' as his model of Sikhi, not the one emerging from analysing Sikh scripture.

No, he was writing along the lines of there being no real distinction between Sikhi and Hinduism. That's not a position I espouse.

Funny you say that....was thinking about a compare and contrast with Singh Sabha literature and pre lehar literature. But I think I'd be ostracized by the panth for it though...lol It would be tracing the introduction and development of what is referred to as 'enlightenment' thought in Sikh literature/thought. Showing how the presentation and parameters of the literature was transformed by this. Also how the colonial agenda influenced the SS movement and literature. But that'll be a life long personal study for me anyway. Right now I'm still getting my Panjabi skills up from elementary.

Okay: Here's another angle. I'm beginning to believe that caste affects a groups relationship with other communities, especially Hindus. Bear with me. Let's start with Khatris, they have generally left all that warrior lark behind them and now seem to specialise in trade. They seem to have strong international networks set up for this, which include some sort of credit system. This has connections in Afghanistan, London, Delhi etc. When you look at our history (and indeed our Gurus), these things seem to be long established. We have the example of Omnichand in South India too. Now my point is that the nature of this trading means that it is in their interests to forge amiable relationships with other communities. They aren't as Panjabicentric as some other apnay. Plus they have open relationships with the Khatris who haven't converted to Sikhi. All this informs their worldview. Religiously they are proud of their Sikh heritage but we have to bear in mind that Rama was also one of 'theirs', and they are proud of that too. They value education/knowledge highly, including the wider Indic type. Now take Jatts, who are a heavily insular people. Their preferred trade is agriculture. What can we say about a jatt and his land (zameen)? They are inseparable. A jatt will kill for zameen, even his own family. Overt status is part of his culture. He seeks this. But being farmers means they have always had an uneasy relationship with governments who traditionally tax the peasantry to fill the coffers. This means that a long standing antagonistic relationship has developed between the two. But the status obsession means that Jatts are very reluctant to perceive others around them as equals. They want to believe they are better. Their trade in Panjab has generally been lucrative so they have relative wealth and are able act on this. Being tied to their land makes them hawkish and protectionist. All this feeds into their relationships with other communities, which I would venture to say can be quite negative. The government now screws them by limiting precious water to their fields. They had a preferential relationship with the English in exchange for providing military support for the imperial agenda, plus many brought into the Aryan/Scythian theories the whites brought with them, strengthening their insularity towards other Panjabi communities. They still retain some of their preSikh cultural practices but often view all things considered Hindu with suspicion and conflate these with some oppressing government force/agenda. Ramgarhias are carpenters. Their trade meant that they would have contact with all levels of Panjabi society, albeit briefly. Now the wider client base they had, the better for business it was. So they are not tied to any land nor have any longstanding negative relationship with governing entities. Some remnants of their preSikh cultural practice remains with taking a day off once a year and cleaning their tools in honour of the object of their prior veneration. Their relationship with central government and Hindus seem non-antagonistic? The so called lower castes (churay and chamaars). Despite contributions in the early Khalsa military conflict, these people have been unable to shake of the stigma of their caste label. They are frequently looked down on and excluded by Sikhs considering them to be lowly. This has caused their relationship with the panth to become tenuous. Increasingly asserting their own identity, often in independence to a Sikh one. Their relationship with the government is dominated by the securing reservations for employment in industry. Their relationship with traditional Hindus is a negative one and they can be heard complaining of discrimination from within the Sikh community too. Point is, do these types of dynamics frequently dictate the attitudes of members of these groups towards 'India' and other lateral Sikh groups? Addition: When we start to understand and try and imbibe the Sikh message does it not lead to a weakening of the prominence of these types of external identifications which are a manifestation of maya (illusion) to one with a soul, which has all the characteristics given in Jaap Sahib i.e. without jaat, paat, rang, rekh, dharam etc. etc. etc. but then how do we balance this with miri duties here as Sikhs?

It is beautiful, the translation's a bit dodgy though: ਵਾਹੁ ਵਾਹੁ ਗੁ ਰ ਅਸੁਰ ਸੰਘਾਰਨੰ Hail, hail the Guru, who ousts the ignoble I thought sanghar means to destroy? Plus ignoble for asur is stretching it a bit.

His interview before the fight......

One of the most divisive forces in our society and everyone goes quiet when it comes to facing up to it. Says it all...........

Okay, lets see how you'd like a daughter of yours snogging a gora on the sly. lol What message was there other than, your families are backwards and an obstacle to love, lust and progression. Plus live double lives behind their backs.

Just wanted to welcome you. You've been a member for a long time and I'm celebrating your very first post. Let's hope there's more coming in future!

That's their new shaster - correction ashter - in their holy war. Muslamic ray guns. One blast and you are automatically converted...circumcision and all.....

Germans' released them I think, not Americans. Besides the free flow of information/data is a characteristic of the 21st century. I think even backwards India has it's own freedom of information type act now, no? Digitalisation has resulted in very easy data capture and even easier data distribution via computer networks, so this type of stuff is here to say whilst the technology exists. Can you imagine how much more documentable data we would have had on 1984 and after if this technology had been around then?

Where are you getting the Panjabi text from? Randhir Singh's book?

Revisiting this work and am wondering about the instruction to recite Japji and Jaap Sahibs 5 times each at Amritvela.... Plus it says to read Japji and Jaap with Rehras as well in evening. Seems quite unorthodox?

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So where does it go?

Does anyone know what this "Rs.580 crore" would be in sterling?

Ha ha ha ha!! Nearly pissed myself laughing with that one.

I'm not surprised. "I'm going to the library to study" has been code for "I'm going to meet my girlfriend/boyfriend." "I'm going to try and flirt with and hit on my study partner." "I'm going to take drugs with my crew." "I'm going to doss around the streets with my mates." "I'm going to shag my boyfriend/girlfriend." "I'm going to secretly meet up with my black/white/Muslim boyfriend/girlfriend." for a long time in the 'Asian' community........

Was talking to some genius brother in Canada over the net about something, he asked me where I found so and so out from? I said a "A book." He said: "Send it to me." I said "I can't, it's a printed book, not pdf!" He called me an "old school mofo!" lol

If someone only read fiction (and nothing else) I would probably think of them in less than glowing terms. But then I enjoy graphic novels which probably makes me mentally retarded in some people's eyes! That being said, there are people who are worse than those who only reads fiction; those who don't read at all..... What are we here? The Sikh literati? lol

It gets better!