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u guys are all really really really cute

i think many people want easy results, and many of us aren't willing to deal with the consequences of our own actions -- this results in low faith in sikhi and high hopes in pandits/black magic/sant babas with "magic powers", and the list goes onnnnn.... but guru dhee kirpa naal...at least some sikh youth understand this and are breaking away from it all this generation is gonna be a really strong one

gurfateh pyareo the truth is, we don't really know these days who is a sant and who is a pakhandee...sometimes you can tell -- but many times you can't...there are many, many people out there who claim to be extremely pure, but in reality, they're out to get you, and they're playing sikhi as a game -- trying to get rich off of humble and helpless people... you need to be careful in a time like this. kaljug is full of falsehood. i have been told and personally believe that Sikhs of Guru Nanak are only supposed to bow down to Guru Jee -- not to any murtis, pictures, people, or physical representations of God... I think Sikhs are supposed to bow down to Guru Granth Sahib Jee and that's about it... it's great to be humble and beg for the dhoor of gurmukhs, but we can even do that through doing seva of gurmukhs, helping them out, and doing joria dhee seva (taking care of the shoes and stuff) wherever we see sangat..

the nihangs of the uk are supported by the rss, obviously they don't believe in khalistan

girls need to be educated and encouraged to be singhs just like their brothers if that was the case, theyd be punching these guys out, rather than losing their virginity to them i wouldnt judge these girls either way and i still regard them as my panjees, but i just wish i couldve saved them or that i still could i think veerjees especially need to encourage their sisters to be strong - it is said that the girls who look for boyfriends and stuff and stray away from the path aer the ones who were never shown love by their brothers & dads.. THAT HAS BEEN CLINICALLY PROVEN, SO VEERJEES, GIVE UR PANJEES LOVE.. they need it

i can't man .. even saying everything is an understatement

cant describe it u could say "it means everything to me" and that still wouldnt be enough.

ive heard that sachkhand can be a physical place where true singhs and shaheeds go - its like 24/7 anand mannn like the keertan in sach khand is so beautiful, its the type of situation where like.... all of these feelings combined - the feelings when you take amrit (which i cant describe yet but ive heard of), the feelings of sitting side by side with guru gobind singh, the feelings of getting guru jees darshan, the feelings of PURE ANAND when you meet with your sajan <vaheguru>, the feelings that you feel when you're sitting there listening to keertan and theres tears streaming down your face, the feelings you would get dying for guru jee, the feelings you would get of being in the sangat of shaheeds, the feelings you get when you sit in sangat and there is krazy simran going on - imagine having THATTTT ALLLLL TOGETHER 24/7 - because i've heard thats what sach khand is ... but im underestimating it - its even more amazing, sooooooooo much more amazing.. but anyway thats off topic ------------- Divorce is acceptable in Sikhi under most conditions, in punjabi culture its seen as a really bad thing but Sikhi isn't like that.. If there are circumstances in which the couple is totally not getting along no matter how hard they try and no matter how many people theyve asked help for and no matter how much ardaas theyve done to guru jee, then maybe they werent meant to be together... But its tru that they shouldnt get married over stupid little fights like kids do nowadays... Marriage, in front of Guru Jee especially, is not a game.

honestly veerjee so many people prevent themselves from becoming true Sikhs because they think that they'll "miss out" on life or that they wont have fun... but whenever i'm with sangat, whether we're doing keertan, going out, chillin, whatever, i have so much fun and i would never wish to be anywhere else with anyone else.. it takes time though, obviously, at first you'll feel really, really confused and you'll be full of duality, but little by little, everything will begin making sense and your mind will become free.. *ab mun choot gaya, sadhu sang miley* - my mind has become emancipated, as ive met with the saadh sangat.. :yo: it always seems like the grass is greener on the other side, but with sikhi, 100% FOR SURE i KNOW and have experienced that life is SOO much better in sikhi rather than in manmat and maya - in maya/manmat you're always thirsty for something and things are always going wrong... in sikhi, you're satisfied and so many problems which used to seem unbearable become sooooo easy to deal with.. its hard to be pure all the time but little by little, wonderful things can happen.. i got a story in my email once which was really good......ill try to make it short - ---there was a grandfather and his grandson, and the grandson told his grandfather that no matter how hard he tried to do paat, it never did anything for him, and he couldn't understand it. So the grandfather brought his grandson to the kitchen and tried to show him something.. He told the kid to bring over a strainer (the things you use to pour cha into cups, you know, the paoni thing) which was dirty, grimy, and greasy... He told the little boy to wash water through it once. The boy did it, and said "See, this strainer is like my mind - even if I put something as pure as paat into my mind, it just seeps right out, just like the water seeps out of the holes in this strainer." The grandfather then said, "Ok, try it again".. The kid poured water through the strainer again, and the same thing happend. The kid was confused, but the Grandfather told him to do the same thing 11 times. After all that water that had gone through the strainer, the Grandfather asked his Grandson, "Do u see any difference in the strainer now as compared to when we had first started off with it?" And the kid said, "Well, yeah, it was dirty and grimy before, but now it has become clean, pure, and shiny." And the Grandfather said "EXACTLY! That's what happens to your mind when you try your best to get into SIkhi and do paat. You may not notice it but your mind is slowly becoming more and more pure, with each and every step towards Sikhi, and each and every time you say VAHEGURU and do paat, it becomes cleaner and more pure.. It's a matter of sehaj!"--- so that's the story, it makes sense , yeah ? man niramal har rav rehiaa paaeiaa dharagehi maan ||2|| Their minds become pure, and they remain immersed in the Lord; they are honored in His Court. ||2|| saachae mail n laagee man niramal har dhhiaae || The truthful ones are not stained by filth. Meditating on the Lord, their minds remain pure. man niramal naam dhhiaaeeai thaa paaeae mokh dhuaar ||2|| Meditating on the Naam with a pure mind, the Door of Liberation is found. ||2|| sathagur saev man niramalaa houmai thaj vikaar || Serving the True Guru, the mind becomes immaculate and pure; egotism and corruption are discarded. aap pashhaanai man niramal hoe || Those who recognize the self - their minds become pure. man niramal mukh oojalaa hoe naanak saadhh ravaal ||4|| The mind becomes pure, and one's face is radiant, O Nanak, when one becomes the dust of the feet of the Holy. ||4|| :bow: VAHO !!!!!

ok, read this. From Ishwinder Singh Sent Monday, June 16, 2003 11:26 am To SAI Subject Pre-operative Shaving- A Dispensable Ritual in Surgery -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Abstracts of Sikh Studies- April 1997 Pre-operative Shaving- A Dispensable Ritual in Surgery Dr. Ujagar S.Dhaliwal INTRODUCTION Pre-operative shaving of the operation area is in practice since the dawn of modern surgery in the last century. Although exact origin of this is not well documented, it has been due to: - aesthetic reasons, - to prevent hair fall in the wound, - to prevent hair being entangled in sutures, - inconvenience to give incision, - prevent infection of the wound, - prevent the possibility of formation of sinus, etc., etc. In early seventies, it was observed by Seropian et al that pre-operative hair shaving influences the infection rate of the wounds, and trauma caused by razor is responsible for increased infection rate, because the minor abrasions caused by razor injury were acting as good medium for growth of bacteria at the operation site. Even non-visible razor injuries were found responsible for increased infection rate as compared to those areas which needed no shaving because of natural lack of hair especially in females. Interestingly, it was further observed by Seropian et al that timings of shaving before surgery also had direct effect on wound infection rate, i.e, it was 20% if shaving was done more than 24 hours before surgery, 7.1% if it was done upto 24 hours and 3.1% when it was done immediately before surgery on the operation table after induction of anaesthesia (Powis et al 1976). To eliminate this trauma by shaving, other materials like clipping of hair and depilation of hair by hair removing cream were used which gave tremendously good results reducing the infection rate to 0.6% (Cruse and Foord, 1973; Court Brown, 1981). But inspite of all this, no surgeon has stopped shaving as a routine. It was long back in 1985, when I was personally advised by a saintly person, Sant Kahla Singh of Gurdwara Jyoti Swaroop Jandiala Guru, not to shave his hair for a hernia operation. Hesitantly, I did his operation through quite a good growth of hair and was surprised to see that his wound healed up absolutely without any problem. However, I could not make up my mind to practice this in ordinary patients, although in many Amritdhari Sikhs, I performed operations as such on their request without shaving with good results, which further encouraged me to perform surgery on Amritdhari Sikhs without shaving and with no ill effects. It was in early 1994 that I took up this problem as a research project under a controlled study on scientific principles on 50 male patients undergoing abdominal surgery. This has been completed on August 9, 1996. The patients were advised to take good bath before taking them to the operation table without shaving. The operation field was prepared by Betadine 5%. Incision was given through the growth of hair and wound was closed after surgery as usual and dressing was done. FOLLOWING OBSERVATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE - All the patients were males above 20 years of age with black hair. - Almost all types of operations were done, like Hernia (12), Appendicetomy (9), Cholecystectomy (6), Laparotomy (7), Ureterolithotomy (4), Prostatectomy (6), Spleenectomy (1), Partial Gasterectomy (1), Highly Selective Vagotomy (1), Cystogastrostomy (1) and Varicocele (1). - Only one patient got wound infection and all others had very good wound healing without any sinus or abcess formation. The length and population of hair, site and length of incision and duration of operation also had no specific effects. There was some inconvenience in giving incisions in patients with long and thick growth of hair, but falling of hair in the wound, if any, did not produce any bad effects. Wound closure was also done without any problem. The only problem faced was the removal of sticking plaster on the dressing at the time of stitch removal or change of dressing of wounds, which was quite painful. After the excellent results of this study, I am now performing surgery with the hair intact and without any difficulty. Hundreds of operations have been performed under these conditions. This has many times rewarded me with very good remarks from the Sikh patients especially Amritdharis, and I will strongly recommend to all surgeons not to shave the hair before surgery, especially on Sikhs, to avoid their sentimental trauma which is true as per scientific principles. REFERENCES 1. Seropian R; Reynolds BN. : Wound infection after pre-operative depilatory versus Razor preparation. Am. J. Surg. 121-1971,251-253 2. Powis SJA; Waterworth.; Arkell, CG. : Pre-operative skin preparation : Clinical evaluation of depilatory cream. Br. Med. J. 21166-1168, 1976 3. Cruse, PJE; Ford. R. : A five year prospective study of 23,649 surgical wounds. Arch. Surg. 107.1973-206-210 4. Court-Brown, C.M. : Pre-operative skin depilation and its effects on post-operative wound infection. J.R. Coil. Surg. Edin 26-238-241-1981

wasn't it talwinder singh parmar who chose to die rather than have his hair removed? i'm not 100% sure but i heard something about that.. SOMEONE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG i got an e-mail about how removing hair prior to surgery might actually be a BAD thing ... ill post that when i find it

amrik singh, sb's right bhanjee, thats exactly what ive been trying to say i guess the other person was right - obviously you can't lie on your butt for your whole life and expect your wife to miraculously fly upto your face and get married to you, obviously... but what i meant is, i don't think AT LEAST RIGHT NOW, is there any point in us going around desperately and looking for someone..because then we let ourselves become depressed and we think that our lives are going to be ruined now, WHO REALLY CARES? mun kio bairag karega, satgur mera poora! ! !

erm... if people put kirpans in their dastaars, arent they turning them into symbols rather than real gifts of the guru? aernt they supposed to be displayed to the world, showin that ur a sikh? dont mean to do nindya of a gurmukh, im just stating what i find to be tru

i'll tell you this much pyareo - unity is the key to getting rid of this corruption i see lots of change coming about in the next 20 yrs.. we need to stick together and when our turns come to run the gurdwaras, give them to the proper people.. it has been said by some sants and someone i personally know who has HAD gurujees darshan that THIS GENERATION - OUR GENERATION - is THE generation... and according to these people, OUR generation is THE generation that is going to fix many of sikhi's problems and make it strong again... theres lots more where that comes from but thats all we need to know...it reminds me of the shabad lakhi jungle khalsa, where after the battle of mukatsar (in which gurujee had lost many sikhs), little by little, sikhs began gathering at Lakhi Jungle as they heard guru jee was there...Eventually it became a place where gatka/keertan/sikhi was taught to people and in a while, the Khalsa re-gained the strength it had lost in the battle and was able to be strong again... Guru Gobind Singh personally blessed the sangat with his kirpa, and the Khalsa was be able to basically reload and re-establish itself...and the strength came back

lol - aman singh - you can be both sikh AND beautiful beauty is NOT plucking eyebrows or removing hair beauty is living according to god's will and keeping the hair he gave you. if we see so much beauty in nature and being natural, why do we use artifical means to beautify ourselves? using artificial means in hopes of making yourself look beautiful will not lead to that... how can a person be beautiful when they're pulling out HAIR - a beautiful, protecting, precious gift from god - out of their body?!?! you're not beautiful when you pluck your eyebrows, even if a few people of this world call you beautiful, it's not true, because real beauty is measured through courage, strength, confidence, and of course just the natural glow that gurmukhs have when they don't remove their hair !!! ... if you pluck your eyebrows, you might get compliments from a few worldly people, but this entire world is false anyhow, why would you give in to a world as fake as the one we live in, why would you live according to peoples opinions, while giving up something as priceless as sikhi? think about it.

The Langar Hall is still Guru Jee's hazoori - we're still in Guru Jee's house - and if people want to talk, then it's one thing, but they should AT LEAST be talking about positive things/relating to sikhi. Talking too much isn't good for us anyway. When we're in pangat, i don't think we even NEED to talk. Just being in pangat is good enough - if people aren't mindlessly gossiping, being in true pangat can be very rewarding, and it can give you really good vibes. I was at a smagam a few months ago (dhodra sangat) and me and my bro sat down to eat in the langar hall, and they had simran blasting thru the speakers so that people would listen to that rather than gossip...And this gurmukh bhanjee was walking around with a sign that said "NO TALKING, PLEASE, ONLY VAHEGURU", vaheguru vaheguru vaheguru... (but it looked a lot nicer and was said more sweetly).. That really brought the sangat into more chardee kalaa and it increased the good vibes.. just like some bibian when making langar will gossip, but if they do simran instead even the food will become more blessed.. its all bout the good vibes

wear the same thing you would wear if guru gobind singh was at the gurdwara instead of guru granth sahib jee whatever YOU are comfortable in, as long as it is respectful (shorts aren't cool for either gender) and you should try not to wear something overly revealing or flashy (for both genders) because it could distract sangat that's trying to concentrate... there are no seperate rules for male and female, khalsa has no gender.

VAHEGURU JEE KA KHALSA VAHEGURU JEE KEE FATHEH! pritam and jatti, these boards aren't for ashiqi and hooking up...kirpa karke, lets all please keep that stuff out of here..sorry for sounding harsh i still love u sangatees, but you know the deal.. moving on....gurujee's got a plan for us all, who really cares about finding a mate.. who cares about whoever we're going to marry -- THIS certainly isn't the right time to be thinking about such stuff anyhow... there are so many other things to life that are so much more rewarding to talk and think about, it's fine to talk about this stuff but we shouldn't let it bother or consume us - i personally don't really care about this marriage crap, if i get married it'll be because i have to... hah.. otherwise, i'll be happy without a 'singh of my own' (eew that doesnt sound right) as long as i have sangat and dashmesh pita jee in my life... if HE wants me to have a singh in my life then whatever i'll do it for him but otherwise, who cares... to the person that posted this, you're looking in the wrong places veer... and honestly, you don't even NEED to look..if he's got a girl in store for you, he'll bring that gursikh love to YOUR door, rather than u having to go and look..til then, whateverrrrrrrrrr mann dont even worry abt it

ajai so rab n baahurriou dhaekh bandhae kae bhaag ||90|| Even now, God has not come to help me; behold, this is the fate of mortal beings. ||90|| kaagaa karang dandoliaa sagalaa khaaeiaa maas || The crows have searched my skeleton, and eaten all my flesh. eae dhue nainaa math shhuho, pir dhaekhan kee aas... ||91|| But please do not touch these eyes; I hope to see my Husband Lord. ||91|| kaagaa choondd na pinjaraa basai th ouddar jaahi || O crow, do not peck at my skeleton; if you have landed on it, fly away. jith pinjarai maeraa sahu vasai maas n thidhoo khaahi ||92|| Do not eat the flesh from that skeleton, within which my Husband Lord abides. ||92|| fareedhaa gor nimaanee sadd karae nighariaa ghar aao || Fareed, the poor grave calls out, ""O homeless one, come back to your home. sarapar maithhai aavanaa maranahu n ddariaahu ||93|| You shall surely have to come to me; do not be afraid of death.""||93|| eaenee loeinee dhaekhadhiaa kaethee chal gee || These eyes have seen a great many leave. fareedhaa lokaan aapo aapanee mai aapanee pee ||94|| Fareed, the people have their fate, and I have mine. ||94|| aap savaarehi mai milehi mai miliaa sukh hoe || God says, ""If you reform yourself, you shall meet me, and meeting me, you shall be at peace. fareedhaa jae thoo maeraa hoe rehehi sabh jag thaeraa hoe ||95|| He says, O Fareed, if you will be mine, the whole world will be yours.""||95||

everything.

eating from non amritdharees is one thing but non-amritdharees preparing DEGH and even Guru Ka Langar (wasnt the original question regarding that?) is different.. maybe even with langar it seems ok, but degh is different..

whether it's guru gobind singh jee's banee or not, it's actually been approved by the panth so we are officially allowed to recite it in guru jee's hazoori.. the actual ardaas after "tegh bahadur simriay, ghar nau nidh aavey dhaae, sabh thain hoey sahay" is not banee - the guru khalsa panth made it up. But it was approved by the panth as a whole so whether it's BANEE or not, it's not really "kachee banee" either because it's been approved by the Guru Khalsa Panth and everyone has decided it's okay to read it in Guru Jees hazoori.. bhul chuk maaf karna

maybe 95% of the girls you would find in clubs, but 95% of the SIKH girls i know do not want guys with cut hair...

yeah, the gender discrimination in punjabi/hindu culture is crap thank god the guru's came along to get rid of all of that - if we were living before the gurus times, we would be bought and sold like cattle - but guru nanak came and proclaimed that men and woman are equal.. almost every single guru after said the same thing - and guru gobind singh jee even said that all people who take amrit are singhs, so woman are not only lions, but kaurs (princesses) too.. guru gobind singh's BODYGUARD was mai bhago - a brave sikh woman - and guru jee encouraged complete equality, saying that both men and women are saint-soldiers of equal power and importance.

OK ANYWAYS - BHANJEE - back to your topic... I think it's remarkable that you're at least REALIZING these things - most of the world is IGNORANT, choosing to completly avoid reality and truth. I'm really sorry that people judge you - they truly SHOULDN'T. Real Sikhs aren't supposed to judge others. Whether you are Amritdharee or not, a real Sikh should show you the same love. It's really unfair when people shun non-Amritdharee people and make them feel inferior, because although Amrit is SOOO important and precious, that doesn't mean that people who haven't taken it yet are inferior or whatever. I think it's great that you've come this far - you're at least looking at and considering keeping hair and becoming a real, true Sikh in the future.. Bhanjee, you should do things with Sehaj - slowly - and that way you wont reget things. Don't jump in to anything if you aren't ready - but at the same time - don't avoid doing certain things out of fear. I'm not accusing you of anything bhanjee but soo many people refrain from being Sikhs out of FEAR - but their hearts and souls are crying out for Guru Jee and for Amrit.... It's a matter of conquering your mind. If you're not ready yet to completely follow it, then I'm sure Guru Jee will forgive you - because hey I've done so much against his Hukam and he showers me with love, because he knows I'm his child.. But after a while, you begin to realize that Guru Jee is SOO precious - he's free ALREADY and he wants to free you too. Guru Jee is standing there waiting for you to come into his arms, so why shouldn't we accept his invitation? He's standing there willing to take away all of our problems, all we have to do is show him love... Remember - you take ONE step towards him, and he will take THOUSANDS towards you. Take it one step at a time - you should try going to sangat, learning more about Sikhi, attending Sikh Youth camps, smagams, reading about Sikhi, doing paat and reading the English Translations, etc., and little by little, you'll realize that Guru Jee is actually making things easier for you. Since I had Guru Jee in my life, everything improved - I was stronger, happier, more content in myself, more confident, and I even got better grades in school - and it's all HIS kirpa.. I'm tellin you the truth girl you need to listen to me, Guru Jee really seriously is AMAZINGG like no other being compares to him... He makes everything so understandable - he makes it so real and he makes everything make sense.. (hope you understood that).. So basically I suggest that you take it one step at a time - little by little - you should at least try to walk on that path though.. Don't think of the FUTURE - think of today, look at all of the sacrifices that Guru Gobind Singh made for his Sikhs, and look at all the sacrifices that Sikhs in our history have made for Guru Jee. It's a beautiful thing :wink: YOU ALSO NEED TO REALIZE, HOWEVER, that you wont always necessarily have the future, there may not always be "another day" and you may not grow old to be 70... Even if you do, it's so much better to get involved in Sikhi at a young age - it makes life soo much better, so much more meaningful, beautiful, rewarding, happy, carefree, etc... Plus we never know when Death is gonna come down and hunt us... I could die like 5 minutes after writing this sentance - only Guru Jee knows if I really will.. And that's why he's encouraging me and encouraging you and everyone else to walk onto that path.. So we can become secure and save ourselves from further suffering. I'll p/m you to talk more about this but I hope you're hearing me... Take it slowly but don't run away from it, this path may seem REALLY hard to follow at times, but if you take it slowly, you will begin to follow it properly in some time, and it will prove to be ssoooooooo rewarding... And in a little while you'll cry happy tears at the thought of the first time you came into Sikhi.. You'll be like daaang I'm so lucky that Guru Jee gave me this much kirpa - he changed my life around, and all I had to do was give him a little bit of love, and he returned that love, giving me even more love than I had ever thought was possible to give !! take care bhanjee, chardee kalaa