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(Took Firefox ages to access this BTW) The Akath Katha part I'm not touching, no way.I can't possibly say anything about the original "state" of Vahiguru.But I will comment on the follwoing points you made tSingh Ji: Yes, movement is the nature of Time.That is what I define Time as.Constant moving flux.The visible and invisible movement of matter/energy.I personally have come to the conclusion that this world we live and our lives are much like a movie reel.Because this world is made from little "bits" (atoms etc.), the movement of these bits from one point to the next is the cause of Time and space.They must be moving in infinitesimally small steps, like a movie reel.Watching a movie the film appears to be alive.The same I believe with this Sansar. I believe Time and space exist due to this constant movement.Small steps, like beads on a very very long string, is what makes this world appear to be, to move.There must be a gap in between these steps, these beads, no? Both these reasons are interesting.But maybe there is no reason?

Still slow in some areas....

Having no desire can only come about naturally.You cannot and must not force it.If your life has had many disappointments (and pain), then naturally your being has little desire for this worlds pleasures and happiness.I personally cannot see true happiness in this world, a happiness which never goes away.But that's just me and what I have experienced in life.I wouldn't want anybody to go through what I've been through.

Buddhists are funny.They say they don't believe in God, yet have so many gods and goddesses in their pantheon.Not to mention Svayambu (Saibham). I believe all talk about wether God exists or does not exist is futile and silly.How can you discuss something which has been described by mystics as "Being and Nothingness"?Oh well, IT is Akath Katha. Allah Hu Akbar....

Jai Natraj!!The King of Dance.The Dance of Death....

I don't usually do this, but I'll be silly for you. 1. There isn't really supposed to be a point from which It manifests.Where is the point where you are when you are in deep sleep?There is no point.When you are in deep sleep, there is no point.I remember reading something on Qabbalah, that God has no centre, no point, but due to It's "Negative Light" reflecting back on to It's Self, a point is created.Something like that.Sorry I can't remember the rest. I believe there is no point from where It manifests.So no finite point either. 2. I manifest from myself when I arise from deep sleep to dream sleep/pre-waking consciousness.Maybe that's what It did, in a sort of similar way.Why did It manifest?Desire?Boredom (like Pheena said above)?Loneliness? 3. Is this question in relation to question 1?Well, God's not finite, because of what I said in answer 1. above.No point, no finite point, no finite God. I will elaborate if you prod me a bit more.But I find it very hard to type what I feel, know and intuit.Sorry if my answers weren't satisfactory.

Not lost my friend, it's making a come back.But it (mysticism) may be being lost within Sikhi.Time will tell.

I'm not qualified to answer your query Pheena Ji.But what comes to my mind is that Brahmjyot (the Light) is not in equal power (potency) to Parbrahm (the Forefather?).Since Brahmjyot is I think the first manifestation of That Parbrahm, it is of equal "age", but not equal in potency, strength, power. What I have found in my silly pursuit of the Mystic path, is that not all is what it seems.That there is a "God" above God.That the "Supreme Being" is both Being and Not-Being, and then again neither.It is something strange. And It definately is not what followers of organised religion tell you It is.But then again It is.... I suggest reading and digesting these Shabad, as a complimenting sweet to go with the above The Sophia of Jesus: http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=3750 http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=1688

Vahiguru Vahiguru Vahiguru....Akaal Murati... Read the rest here: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/sjc.html

This is beautiful. :cry: You can read the rest here: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/exe.html

It be good to make allies of people like Timothy Freke.Shish of Satguru Nanak Shabad Brahman Svarup should make allies of people like him. http://www.timfreke.demon.co.uk/

Thoughts for the New Year 2004 saw an increase in the divisive power of religious literalism, further insane wars, no let up in the AIDS epidemic, more environmental destruction, continuing poverty and starvation, and the recent devastating tsunami. To make matter worse, to the dismay of compassionate people throughout the world, the US elected a dangerous president, backed by fundamentalist Christians with a very backward looking agenda. I receive emails everyday from people wondering where to turn. Our problems are so huge it is easy to feel impotent. Our modern crisis is a crisis of vision. We need a ‘big idea’ which can help us make the world a better place. But in the past we have tried so many ‘big ideas’ which have failed. And this has left us defeated and cynical. What is the solution? Do we need to overthrow the capitalist system and challenge the power of the multinational corporations that run the world? This truly is a daunting task! And what alternative social system can we offer? Do we need to gradually educate people so that we understand the harm we are causing our planet and each other? Certainly. But this is a Herculean undertaking. There is so much that needs doing, it is easy to feel overwhelmed and pessimistic. But perhaps there is another solution to our present predicament, which is simple and radical. I want to suggest that all we need to do to make our world a better place is to work together to spread a single powerful idea. And that idea is the big idea that has been taught by Gnostics for centuries: WE ARE ALL ONE. Although we appear to be separate individuals, in reality we are different expressions of one awareness. The recognition of this fact is an experience of all-embracing love. And it is only by living in love that we can heal the divisions between us. Nothing else is ever going to do it! The vast majority of people are already caring and compassionate, but usually to ‘us not them’. We simply need to help people realise that in reality there is only ‘us’. Our problems – both personal and political – arise from a fundamental misunderstanding of the human predicament. We mistakenly believe we are separate from one another. To transform things we simply have to challenge this mistaken idea by propagating the idea of oneness. Of itself, of course, this will not solve our social, economic or environmental problems. But if we see through the illusion of separateness, we will naturally start using the limitless power of our imagination to find compassionate solutions to our collective suffering, rather than squandering our creativity on the relentless quest to satisfy our transitory individual desires. In this new millennium we need a new focus that will unleash our creativity, so that we discover new ways to make our world more loving, just, and enjoyable for all. We need to dismiss ideas predicated on the illusion of separateness as out-dated 20th century thinking and declare the basis of 21st thinking to be the recognition of oneness. Humanity generally still seems asleep in separateness, but a significant number of people are waking up. Like the fall of the Berlin Wall, perhaps the thin veil of separateness which divides us could be easily and unexpectedly pushed aside if enough people would take the bold step of deciding to become mouthpieces for our collective awakening. The role each one of us can play is unique, but by recognising a shared vision we can help empower each other. The most important thing any of us can do is to embody oneness and love in our everyday lives. But there are also things we can do to promote the realisation of oneness more generally. I am sending out this New Year message because I want to encourage us all to dare to be ambassadors for a new understanding in 2005. Can you imagine a future in which it is generally recognised that we are one and we do all we can to collectively live from this understanding? Is this just a utopian dream? I don't know. But what else are we going to do with this amazing experience we call being alive if not play our part in this great adventure of awakening? In love Tim Freke PS Please feel free to share this message with anyone you feel appropriate. www.timfreke.demon.co.uk

I took a brief look at that website.That Baba's photo on the home page, he is obviously shastardhari.Do the Bektashi's practice their own form of shastar-vidiya?And are they shastar-dhari then also?

Gur Ishar Gur Gorakh Barma Gur Parbati Mai - Jap Ji Sahib The "Khalsa" Fauj, ever thought that your thinking is going against the Great Divine Mother, who made you and gave birth to you.That you are fanatically macho in going against the Jagat Mata.You got a problem with Eka Mai?Then I feel very sorry for you. Because when She slaps Her insolent children, boy does it hurt, in this life and lives to come.She can cause such suffering and pain to those who insult Her. Do not insult Her.Acknowledge Her and praise Her as Satguru Nanak Nirankar did.I wonder if TKF will understand what I have said. Jai Sarsvati!Jai Lakhsmi!Jai Parvati Mai!

Thanks a lot veera!!

I really want to download the Faridkoti Tika again, but the link isn't working.Can anyone help?The link isn't working on the Rara Sahib website aswell.

Anand hi Anand!Paramanand.Sada Sad-chid-anand!

This is for those who still don't get it.You touch the feet of your family elders right?Your grandparents etc.Now, would you place money infront of your respected elders and then touch their feet??Would you treat your respected elders as beggars?Ofcourse you wouldn't.Then why treat your Satguru, who is the King of kings as a beggar.A Satguru has no need for His shish's money. When infront of Satguru Nanak, it is you who is the beggar, not the other way round.The Satguru gives and you receive, not the other way around.

I know that Gurdwara committee types will not listen this message, but I hope that future generations of Satguru Nanak Dev Ji's Shish will think about this.I strongly urge that if persons out there still put money infront of Maharaj, that they stop doing so. I agree N30, the golak/toshi khana should be placed away from Maharaj.Langar hall is a good idea.

Jai Shri Krishan Maharaj!Jai Shyam Sundar!Jai Murari!Jai Madhusudan!Jai Gopal!Jai Govind!Jai Keshav!Jai Narayan! Jai Jai Hari Narayan!

Those who are spiritually blind my dear, not those who's eyes don't work.

I've been meaning to bring this up for quite a while. Placing money infront of your Satguru and bowing down to your Satguru is be-izzati of your Satguru.Do you see?Or not?This goes on everyday across the world by hundreds of "Sikh" of Satguru Nanak.So called shish of Satguru Nanak place money infront Satguru and bow down.Everything is done mechanically.Put money down or in the money collection box (golak) and bow down.Satguru Nanak will not ever place His hand on your head aslong as you keep on doing His be-izzati like this again and again.His servant Sarsvati Mata (higher intellect) will not visit your house (mind). Satguru Nanak is not a beggar that you have to place your money infront of Him.This is not what it was like in the time that the Satguru were bodily on this Mother Earth.Money or food etc. were not placed infront of the Satguru.To the side of Satguru Maharaj you had the treasurer, you would've given your money to him.How would you feel if someone placed money infront you and bowed down? The reason why I suspect that this derogatory system of placing golak infront of Satguru is so that Gurdwara committee's can have their coffers full.They play on the sangats ignorance.They know that the ignorant sangat will keep on placing money infront of Satguru because they think they will get bakshsish from Satguru.Nothing could be further from the truth.They will get no bakshish if they keep on treating Satguru as a beggar.Yes, the Gurdhaam needs money for upkeep etc. but that money should not be placed infront of Satguru Nanak.

Kabbadi Singh, lets not bring pseudo science into this debate please.Kirlian photography :roll: .

Your eyes are tired.That's why they twitch.Maybe you are on the computer too much?You maybe squinting at the screen without knowing it for hours.The muscles that make you squint get tired and can't hack it, so they twitch, I think it's a mini spasm in the eyelid muscles.

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