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Gurbilas Patshahi 6 - Gurbani de Kasauti tae - By G.S.KalaAfgana...:wink: Whatz the difference... ? My question still stands What in his writing irks you :?: Chardi Kala

Sat Sri Akal The following extracts are translerations from Guru Granth Darpan by Prof Sahib Singh Ji... Kindly ignore my shortcomnings in English writing skills... as I think it is informative... At panna 5726 of Guru Granth Darpan, Prof Sahib Singh Ji says: Quote "While translerating the Bani by Bhagats, it seemed to me that Guru Nanak Dev Ji himself collected this Bani... And while keeping this in mind, as I further studied the references provided by the Bhagat Bani itself, this thought was further strenthened in my mind. But what Guru Nanak Dev Ji had to do with it ? In history, there is mentioned that the Bani of Guru ji was scattered at various places where ever he visited and which was gotten collected by Guru Arjan Dev Ji by asking sikhs, living inside the country and also living abroad by writing them letters to send the same. A Guru-person who did not took care of his own writings, how would he had bothered to have taken care of Bani of Bhagats ? But, the "self references" provided by Bani of Bhagats firmly/openly confirmed that the this work of collecting of Bani of Bhagats was done by none other than Guru Nanak Dev Ji himself... So, I started to explore the Banis of five Gurus from Guru Nanak Ji to Guru Arjan Sahib ji. After just a little hassle, it was apprent that Guru Nanak Ji had himself collected his Bani. He gave this treasure to Guru Angad Ji and every subsequent Guru added to this treasure till all this treasrue was finally handed over to Guru Arjan Dev Ji. " Unquote At panna 5732 of Darpan, Prof Sahib Singh Ji says: Quote "There are 130 shaloks in total. Out these, 18 Shaloks have been composed by Guru Nanak Dev Ji (4), Guru Amardas Ji (5), Guru Ram Das Ji (1) and Guru Arjan Dev Ji ( 8 ), these were composed to present the thoughts of Sheik Farid Ji in a simple precise direction, so that ignorant people do not get confused. There, there is no need to mix the shaloks of Farid Ji with the shaloks of Guru Ji." Total shaloks of Baba Farid Ji = 112 Guru Nanak Dev Ji = 4 (No. 32, 113, 120, 124) Guru Amardas Ji = 5 (No.13, 52, 104, 122, 123) Guru Ramdas Ji = 1 (No.121) Guru Arjan Sahib Ji - 8 (No. 75, 82, 83, 105, 108, 109, 110, 111) Total Shaloks = 130 Unquote At panna 1898 of Darpan, Prof Sahib Singh Ji says: Quote : "The come many complexities in life, we suffer numerous jolts/jerks, we need guidance at each step we take and through that guidnace we can find the right way only if we have full faith in our leader. In Gurdwaras, it is usual norm to recite the following Dohra after Gurbani Simran... Guru Granth kou Maniyou, Pargat Guran kee deh || Jo Prabh kou milbhou chahae, khoj shabad mhe leh || Absolutely right. Physically, we can not be here for ever. It is only the Bani which can be perserved forever and does provide the righteous way to Truth, forever. The person who want to walk on the path defined by Guru Nanak/Guru Gobind Singh Ji, then has the Bani of Gurus, Jo Jivan-Path dae hanariyaan which chanan dae sakdi hae, Jo rah dae thaediyaan (obstacles) ton bacha sakdi hae. This is the reason that Kalgidhar Patshah Ji, while stopping the series of physical gurudom and bestowed the leadership of Khalsa with SGGS, for guidance for ever.......... Unquote Rest later Bhul Chuk Maaf Chardi Kala

Dear N3O S!NGH Ji I think you missed shalok/poem no. 33... :roll: please do the needful... Anyways thanx a lot for making an absorbing reading... Chardi Kala

I think there is a Gurdwara in bagdad so I said about Iraq... I did not say that Guru ji got the writings from Iraq... I said he visited these places himself... Well, I wont contradict you about how you percieve it... until its practical... Chardi Kala

Dear chamkila Nobody has a monopoly over the Truth... Truth is to be shared with everyone... And if we use our common sense... had Guru ji ever tried to "took" Baba Farid ji and other's work, he would have incorporated them under his own name... but this was never his intension... his sole intension was to spread Truth... as you can gather from a glance at SGGS, where it is clearly mentioned that who is the writer of each and every shabad or shaloks, so treating it like "taking" others work is a naive observation... The people who propogate such theories are malicious in their intensions... Chardi Kala

I think Guru Nanak Ji visited many a places during his four udasies (journeys) which included from as far as Sri Lanka to Iraq and whereever he visited he collected the writings of various renowned people at these places, who were considered to be one with God and so Guru Nanak Ji himself collected the writings of Baba Farid Ji and others and incorporated them in SGGS... Chardi Kala

:roll: Well... Now dont tell me that this Bandit did not suggest any "Upaayae"... "Remedies".. like you have do some "agni Havana Kunda" :roll: and stick the ashes in your forehead and donate some steel "pandai" to a brahmin like him :wink: and also some maya :twisted: to apease the bad "Grehas" so that this avastha is reversed... :roll: Oh I forgot about a good decent lunch or dinner... Chardi Kala

Dear Amrit You can laugh out loud... but remember that author of Gurbilas Series is unknown likewise is the case of bansavalinama etc... so if those writing do not irk you at all then why Kala Afgana's writing are wrong when he ably tackles these books on the "Kasauti of Gurbani"... seems quite fair to me... Chardi Kala

Why did he said like this... what were his basis to make such a claim... please provide referecnes... Chardi Kala

Dear chamkila I am talking about Intensions... Chardi Kala

Dear chamkila :roll: ...there is such a thin line between a way of living and karam kaands... how does it matter that he convers his mouth or not... ? Since when sikhs have become so narrow minded...? Respect should be by heart not by showing off... our intensions should be clear and thats it... we should remember that God is omnipresent... He is even present in your spit... everywhere... so if your intensions are not malicious then there is nothing to make a fuss over it... Chardi Kala

Why what happend ?? Please Share... Regards

Dear amrit I think the edition by Vedanti is in circulation... Buddhist are a harmles creatures with nothing to defend themselves... moreover no body is listening you them in India... Thats what I am asking you at first place... What is there in his writing that irks you... I am presently reading a soft copy of banned book "Gurbilas Patshashi 6-Gurbani Dee Kasauti Tae" by G.S. KalaAfgana... , so i will give here updates on what he has written on GP-6. In the prefac itself, he has said that bansavalinama etc have been forced on Sikhs under a conspiracy to dilute Sikh Guru teachings so lets see what he has to say on GP6 critically... No offense... I could not gather the purpose of holding Gatka Classes... :roll: and I have not read your book either... what this book is all about... ? Mohali was the most peaceful area during the 1980s and 90s... I dont know why ? but it was peaceful... well I do not know what you were preaching... please tell us what you were preaching so that we can gather from that what you were preaching... Well, I gather that you know the meaning perfectly... please update our knowledge... Chardi Kala

Sat Sri Akal Thank God you are not on FFI other wise you would have shocked to read the views of the forum members... and considering you are so seriously taking the naive words of inder jeet Singh... better keep away from FFI... :wink: Chardi Kala

Dear Pheena Very nicely explained... Makes a perfect sense to me... Regards

... My childhood (5yrs to 14yrs) was spent in Jalandhar Cantt... Even today I can remember most of gali and nukkad of Cantt... Where you putup in Cantt ? You must have been to Regal Cinema and Sadar Bazzar? Oh I miss those days... those were really happy days... Thanx for revitalising those moments... :cry:

Sat Sri Akal

Dear JOYce Why are you opening a new thead... ? you can easily change the name of this thread by editing the very first post of yours... that would not make your postings scattered all over the plcae with simlar appearing different threads... Best Regards

Dear Jogi Take it easy... everybody is having fun... no body has picked up swords to decide, which place is better... Ah! Have they...? :roll: Naa... its naive to think on those lines... I think dear Bikramjit could put some light this issue as to why there is always comparison between Malwa Sikhs and Doaba Sikhs... Let sikh-history unfold itself... Best Regards

Dear amrit Inder Jeet Singh is an emotional wreck... do not worry about what he says... Best Regards

Dear amrit You mean to say then when SGPC banned Gurbilas Patahshi 6 on the basis of writings of Kala Afgana, they did not know his backgroud, pretty strange :roll: ? You must not forget that in his writting no where he has tried to manipulate SGGS... and he supports each and every arguement based on atleast five references from SGGS... seems pretty clean to me... Can you enumerate the problems in his writings, which have irked you...? And on his backgroud... the charges against him when in Punjab Police and being involved in theft are pity naive... :? if we can use some common sense then we can realise that those were the troubled times for Sikhi in 80s & 90s, when he was writing... and he could have been falsely framed as well... which is quite easily possible... who can prove his innocence... during the times of KPS Gill, Can you? Not me? He may have been framed coz he was exposing the consipiracy of slowing but surely introduction of some brahminical practices into Sikhism as mentioned in Gurbilas Patshahi 6, some of which are still in practice as we are discussing in another thread Rest later Best Regards

Dear Khandaydhaar, Saag is a traditional speciality of Punjab... come to Punjab and you would know the real taste of Saag with Makki di Roti and desi gee... its simply awesome... saag making needs some good experience and its a time consuming activity... so I got show some patience till its ready... But once its ready... well there is absolutely nothing that can match it... Regards

LoL @ Chandigarh & its District... My dear little princess, Chandigarh is an Union Territory hence no districts etc... its a Capital of Punjab & Haryana. Best Regards

Desikuddi, I think you know about me... can any body guess... ? :wink: