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Literally: When the tree falls, the monkeys scatter. Usage: When a leader loses power, his followers become disorganized. This proverb is often used to describe fair-weather friends As is what happened after maharaja ranjit singh

Sikhs lived under islamic law for centuries they would have been executed by mughals themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ghazali “Are you ready to cut off your head and place your foot on it? If so, come; Love awaits you! Love is not grown in a garden, nor sold in the marketplace; whether you are a king or a servant, the price is your head, and nothing less. Yes, the cost of the elixir of love is your head! Do you hesitate? 0 miser, It is cheap at that price!” Al-Ghazali Abu Hāmed Mohammad ibn Mohammad al-Ghazzālī (1058–1111) http://ghazali.org/ cross compared with : "Kabīr ja▫o ṯuhi sāḏẖ piramm kī sīs kāt kar go▫e. Kabeer, if you desire to play the game of love with the Lord, then cut off your head, and make it into a ball." Bhagat Kabir- Guru Granth Sahib (1440–1518) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabir Then Guru Nanak Dev (1469) ji says: ਜਉ ਤਉ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਖੇਲਣ ਕਾ ਚਾਉ ॥ जउ तउ प्रेम खेलण का चाउ ॥ Ja▫o ṯa▫o parem kẖelaṇ kā cẖā▫o. If you desire to play this game of love with Me, ਸਿਰੁ ਧਰਿ ਤਲੀ ਗਲੀ ਮੇਰੀ ਆਉ ॥ सिरु धरि तली गली मेरी आउ ॥ Sir ḏẖar ṯalī galī merī ā▫o. then step onto My Path with your head in hand. ਇਤੁ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਪੈਰੁ ਧਰੀਜੈ ॥ इतु मारगि पैरु धरीजै ॥ Iṯ mārag pair ḏẖarījai. When you place your feet on this Path, ਸਿਰੁ ਦੀਜੈ ਕਾਣਿ ਨ ਕੀਜੈ ॥੨੦॥ सिरु दीजै काणि न कीजै ॥२०॥ Sir ḏījai kāṇ na kījai. ||20|| give Me your head, and do not pay any attention to public opinion. ||20|| ਨਾਲਿ ਕਿਰਾੜਾ ਦੋਸਤੀ ਕੂੜੈ ਕੂੜੀ ਪਾਇ ॥ नालि किराड़ा दोसती कूड़ै कूड़ी पाइ ॥ Nāl kirāṛā ḏosṯī kūrhai kūṛī pā▫e. False is friendship with the false and greedy. False is its foundation. ਮਰਣੁ ਨ ਜਾਪੈ ਮੂਲਿਆ ਆਵੈ ਕਿਤੈ ਥਾਇ ॥੨੧॥ मरणु न जापै मूलिआ आवै कितै थाइ ॥२१॥ Maraṇ na jāpai mūli▫ā āvai kiṯai thā▫e. ||21|| O Moollah, no one knows where death shall strike. ||21|| ਗਿਆਨ ਹੀਣੰ ਅਗਿਆਨ ਪੂਜਾ ॥ गिआन हीणं अगिआन पूजा ॥ Gi▫ān hīṇaʼn agi▫ān pūjā. Without spiritual wisdom, the people worship ignorance. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ang 1412 Guru Nanak Dev ji

Pretty much all gursikhs are promoting veggeterianism if anyone promotes meat they will not be accepted by many singhs. It is mainly for the punjabi sehajdhari community to push as an alternative to halal, we have a shop in southall you can get people to break off from halal shops and go to them instead.

Jhatka is chatka chatka means push, shove, fast, quick. Some people use the word chatka to describe jats in the act of not thinking things through and acting without thought, diplomacy sometimes out of pure anger. Then others use this to promote jat culture as being one which takes enemy to the end. To be honest it just refers to aspect of an agriculture community being with limited education not realising the importance of thinking things through or using diplomacy to solve tasks. It as become a serious problem people promote being jatt over sikh... take a look at hindu jats that's were people came from some are toothless, alcoholics, in poverty described as a backwards class. If anything Sikhi gave importance to people of all sorts of backgrounds we are doing paap by spreading jaat paat even guru gobind singh forbid amrit and sikhi to the hindu chief kings who wanted to keep the caste they had. If anything those who promote being jatt have brought shame onto the guru ghars by using the diamond of naam like this... Sikhi was meant to spread all around the world not just be limited to one jatt group to rule just the small section of punjab. Today we are our own butchers killing our own sikhi.

Just reading through some posts around here and was wondering... Shams is a wandering saint for a long period of time around similar time frame as sheikh farid ji. However Shams taught Rumi he spent loads of time around iran, afghanistan and india. He seems to have been buried in multan punjab. However officially says he was burried in Khoy we find another guy named pir shams in punjab. However shams tabrizi knowledge came forth even through the mughals as may have been with rumi possibly even sheikh farid's works taught in certain madrassas. We learn Guru Nanak learnt persian, arabic and islam in a fast period of time in a madrassa in talwandi. He previously came from masters of vedas in his family and his father didn't like the idea of being a saint as he had become somewhat like shams and rumi. However people say in iran his body disappered around 80ish when he was teaching blasphemous things and the followers of rumi had some elements of hate or dislike for shams. The question in mind is how much time shams spent with various people to learn the highest depths of knowledge from every tradition in India around mandirs. He compiled poems and converted people into his line of thought more so into his version of islam. His version spread far, but shams has learnt the highest points of buddhism. One thing you understand from this tradition is a student and teachers have a 2 way tradition of learn and teach. So shams taught and probably learnt so how did he pick up the highest point of buddhism and krishna conciousness with a touch of vedanta. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shams_Tabrizi

The best way to convince anyone about your belief system is prove practically and pragmatically that you are right by the perfect character you can exhibit.

I remember reading a newspaper once which said we should encourage everyone to have sex quoting off freud saying it is unhealthy to stop kids from having sex. It should be encouraged, it is quite common opinion some parents give condoms to even daughter encouraging them and calling there boyfriends over give them food, drink and letting them deal their own daughter. Some encourage son to go out and do it, so parents teaching the use of safe sex not to have kids yet.

What is the sangats thought on Sigmund Freud his theories are promoted heavily in the west and in psychology which rules out religion and promotes sex. His theories have come into sikh masses of even promoting sexual conduct on impulse rather the self controlled. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud Could anyone have these challenged in the mainstream?

Someone should trace the actually person in germany see what his link is and what the history is behind him and collection perhaps to find even more. We know loads of things were stolen pretty much everything we had.

Especially the silver plaque that is stolen from baba atal. The rest maybe debatable but they can't auction off that silver plaque, just like the char-aina, it is property of harmandar sahib, we had even gems and other precious stones stolen from golden temple, where are these things resurfacing from perhaps one or two of those thieves are dying or there ancestors someone should track the owners and find out who has more of this stolen goods.

How much of our stuff was jacked, the british robbed everything funny how one or two things now popping up. Ranjit singh's whole sofa set was nicked, they took everything. One or two pieces now being auctioned back. At least we got photos we should set up a medium in which people can upload photos of stuff that belonged to us and was nicked. Our agreement of Dalip Singh was all this property was to be returned, how can they legally auction goods which are all stolen and were to be legally returned?

You know the kshatriyas are now who you call bhappa and remember the ancestors of the gurus all came from khatri background. Many kshyatrias were politicians trying to marry turks for diplomatic reasons which did backfire to some extent. The thing was Islam was too new with new philosophy that couldn't match the age of hinduism. Well in reality all of the castes were only human, people acted as such in accordance to the environment they were brought up in, also taking into consideration the knowledge they had, it was a time before encyclopedias and the internet, if only they had encarta, they were only writing encyclopedias then.

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According to Sri Gur panth prakash, the mughals said sikhs were nothing and described them somewhat like petty thieves, denying them of the whole lineage and everything. It perhaps has to be said if you read sikh history from persian sources you will get a take. The moghuls had loads of enemies but to then say sikhs a very small population took on the moghuls you would see them as a threat however it would wond the credibility they have to say a few people laid it to them makes them look weak, it would also lead to loosing respect in the courts and could damage alliances of powerful people who could see they are unable to tame a few villagers with backwards castes (as they believed in superiority of there own castes) they also saw themselves as more knowledgeable and technological advance. The main thing about sikhs was intense practice they put in those times into shastarvidya and peace of mind from a very humble lifestyle and background gave them advantage over an army of sex maniacs+drunks with some high caliber individuals. Some of the sikh history did involve run while you can, find ways out, and when forced into war, fight and run (with integrity and dignity in a way less people have to die).

We learn from some elements of sikhi the gurus disagreed with the vedas however had mastered all of it's scholarly. So perhaps bhagavat gita, mahabhrata and ramayan actually add to the vedas, they change the tradition of the clash of the ausras and devas (like greek mythology of titans and mount olympus dieties) However the devas win, we see an epic war. It is difficult to find any vedic evidence out of India, let alone middle east and europe or other regions of china. Some believe the vedas are the scrolls of abraham http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrolls_of_Abraham_(Islam)

What is tantra all about? Doe it relate to sikhi at all? how about chitrapakhian?

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Thing is majority people don't know the history others are just following the words of others like people who preach sikhi teaches hating another religion(s) some people believe it due to incapability some have to analyse history analytically and decipher it's lessons to be learnt. We understand from some books some people took bhang, some slept with hoes, some drank, some went mandirs, some converted to other religions when british came some singhs became hindu, others muslims some christians and other athiest/agonstic. These are things we need to take into consideration but to say the majority did or the elite did is something else.

Oh okay I just read through portions of the sri gur panth prakash and noticed it was written by a muslim author in a time which the book itself said muslims hated sikhs (well those in limelight, not forgetting new converts and those on the sufi path trying to live basic inmaterial life's compared to the material who became filled with hatred) even the mughals tried discredit the sikhs entirely. So the author painted all the supernatural elements of sikh history as tricks even guru gobind singh ji and declared banda singh bahadur as just a maniac driven away from everyone when it seems the mughals are the voice of reason. It painted a big picture of heroic muslims as pathans who did so much for the gurus even to be against there own people in high signs of respects was a nice read however inaccurate to a high degree and something can't be trusted. The mecca story was interesting because it talked about a door being closed upon baba ji entering and leaving opening. What we learn from other stories is maharaj stayed in a room named as the hind wali, as is many places donated as hind wali understanding guru nanak to be a sufi as many sufis are heretics this story showed him to deny prophethood of muhammad so to paint him as misunderstood as was later sikhs from the authors perspective however holds in tact that sikhs ultimately won a battle with every odd against them in odds which seemed impossible, it shows a big difference between sikhs of that generation and today with the out of the box thinking, full of dreams/aspirations, who looked forward with huge plans which worked out through co-operation. It also showed signs of the days we have today and gives clues to how they were overcome out of all odds. We see the mughal raj was prophecised by guru nanak and left the lodis with a curse after the abuse they gave to guru sahib, it shows babur was a disciple of the gurus and they had an alliance until aurangzeb was fed up of what he deemed all hocus-pocus witch craft going on a witch hunt to which he sees himself as a hero. However he failed to understand mughal diplomacy which made them powerful. The end of the Sikh rule might seem tragic but the history shows it came about due to great hard work full of sacrifices, some peoples greed got in the way of the whole thing which ruined the civilisation which leads to today which makes you wonder how sikhs are really even alive today when it seems impossible, which makes you think out of all the politics there has been some good politics.

Almost seems we have been wiped out of existence entirely. Perhaps we were more of a threat then beneficial to use.

can you include bhagat ratanwali bhai mani singh written janamsakhi of guru nanak and translation into english. Could you include all versions of janamsakhis for guru nanak and english translations.

The bhai bala janamsakhi includes a shabad in which guru nanak taught the true essence of what fakiri is (fakir meaning poor) he taught what it meant truly to be that humble.