Genie Singh

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"The tomb is situated north of the village Baghbanpura. There are signsof two tombs on high platform, one of Madho and the other of LalHusain, the actual tombs being in an underground chamber. Theplatform is surrounded by a wall with a gateway to the south. Betweenthe platform and the surrounding wall is a space left for the devoteesto go round,—the platform being lined on all sides with lattice-work of red stone. North of the enclosure is a tower in which is reverentiallykept the impression of the prophet’s feet (Qadam-i-Rasul) and to thewest is a mosque. This mosque was constructed by Mora, aMuhammadan wife of Ranjit Singh. 34 La1 Husain appears to have had friendships among the holy men of his time. He was an intimate friend of Chajju Bhagat who, thetradition says, called him Shah Husain for the first time. 35 He metGuru Arjun whenever he came to Lahore. We, however, cannot findany historical evidence to support the assertion of Baba Buddh Singh,who states that when Arjun was compiling the Adi Granth, Husainsubmitted his verses to him for inspections but the Guru, disapprovingthem, refused to insert them in the Granth. 36 Husain’s poetry, if wemay be permitted to say so, is in no way inferior to that of manyothers found in the body of the Granth, nor would a free Sufi likeHusain care to have his verses inserted in the book of a sect then notso popular as it was to be alter a few years."page 39 about murshid of bulleh shah inyat " The arias according to all available, information, appear to be Indian Muslimsand Shah Inayat was born in one such well-to-do family. The date andyear of Inayat’s birth are not known, but one of his manu scri pts,containing an endorsement in his own handwriting and also his seal,bears the date A.H. 1110 21 (A.D. 1699). From this we can concludethat he was a contemporary of Aurangzeb and perhaps saw a part of the reign of Shah Jahan. The Wazaif-i-Kalan gives the year of hisdeath as A.H. 1147 (A.D. 1735) during the time of EmperorMuhammad Shah. 22 He was educated after the manner of his time andgained a good knowledge of Persian and Arabic. As he was born witha mystic disposition he became a disciple of the famous Sufi scholarand saint Muhammad Ali Raza Shattari. 23 After he had finished hisstudies he was created a khalifa. Later on he received the khilafat of seven other sub-sects of the Sufi Qadiri. Soon after this event he leftKasur and migrated to Lahore .The author of Bagh-i-Awliya-e-Hind says that the great enmity of the Hakim Husain Khan compelled himto migrate, 24 but his descendants assert that it was the order of histeacher that brought him to Lahore. 25 Here after having quelled thejealousy of his famous contemporaries, he established a college of hisown. To this college came men of education for further studies inphilosophy and other spiritual sciences of the time. 26 The Doctrines of Inayat Shah The Qadiris of the Panjab were famous for their philosophic studies. Itwas their influence that had converted prince Dara Shikoh. 27 Theywere very much inclined towards Hindu philosophy. Shah Inayat wasno exception to this rule. He was a man of scholarly disposition, andwrote several books, as well as commentaries upon the works of hispredecessors. In his Dastur-ul-Amal 28 he described the different methods employed for the attainment of salvation 29 by the Hindus of ancient times. These various methods he classes in different groups—the seventh and the last group, according to him, being efficacious toprocure for seeker the spiritual stage of Parma-Hamsa. Thisknowledge, Inayatbelieved, was carried by the Greeksoldiers of Alexander the Great to Greece, from where it was borrowed by themystics of Islam." http://www.scribd.co...60-1900-Krishna

What has he said against Sikhi? Please give some extracts. Perhaps he planted the seed of destroying sufism and renewing wahhabism. He surely did create pakistan ideologically giving the academic backbone to it. Iqbal wrote a poem calling punjab the place the brought the arabs there and had them call it there home. The place where nanak sang about the monotheism of God. Iqbal also later on writes from reading the japji guru nanak was very literate about islam and knew more about islam then any literate scholar of those time. http://www.scribd.com/doc/53254262/philosphy-of-iqbal http://www.scribd.com/doc/26593459/Allama-Iqbal-Shayaris http://www.allamaiqbal.com/ http://www.asianpa.net/ijapa/v-1-08/3.pdf http://bmri.org.uk/book_reviews/iqbal.pdf http://www.scribd.com/doc/42719731/Allama-Iqbal There are some people who say the muslim league viewed that pakistan would be created as a rival of india and would have a relation similar to canada and america rather not predicting the riots that would take place, the wars which pakistan lost again and again. The increase growth of radicalisation and terrorism. In which pakistan would show how islamic philisophy and law is much superior to india in which it would over-exceed india in every way to become a leader and naturally have india submit to pakistan. None of which happened, also many pakistani blame nehru for starting the riots. While others did not see it comming, and others felt they were not ready. Today many understand the creation of pakistan to be a huge mistake. As for venom spitting all muslims do it, then and now. It is natural to spit venom back after having it spat at yourself. However by doing that it only increases the growth of venom in muslims, who do not dare to take a look in the mirror to see the fault at hand as with the victims. Sikhs left between two nations, belonging to indian nation with bad relations with hindu government. Increased momentum to creation of a sikh state. In which we can argue creating khalistan for the sikh nation, small is a bad idea when you look at the demographs, economic-social status of sikh today. To create a country which is of a small size, small population, small economy, between two huge giants who are world class nuclear-atomic states. Pakistan has atomic power. In the middle of which a state of punjab which is damaged of water supplies, food supplies, pollution, poisoning comming in from afghanistan, with a high illiterate population. To be ruled by the same corrupt leaders. The 1% of political leaders amongst sikh are unable to make change within the limited power they have, why give them more power, they are unable to co-operate, do not let others get to those positions, involved in many scandals, money laundering and bribery. Offcourse we can be optomistic and hope for the best, however as such the motives pushing for it are the crimes done in 1984 which in the long run if we pursuit a state the criminals ignored and will get away with it, the politicians, police, business men, criminals, army and celebrities all involved.

Where is the previous board posts with questions and answers written out in english translation? These are really good questions and answers you should really archive them or write some articles posted on the website. n30 you should start your own blog with some of your knowledge on that you have answers for many things that most sikh veers don't know about consider making a blog or website.

IMO i would say it is a state of confusion where the panthic leaders have not cleared these issues up and made it clear for everyone what is and what isn't while as some issues do not have a clear cut answer so rather than giving the debate they keep quiet about it. Many leaders probably do eat meat while others don't so they don't put that much issue into it. One of the biggest debate perhaps would have to be authenticity of most the granths of sikhi dasam bani, sarbloh, guru granth sahib (raagmala), janamsakhis, suraj prakash. Simply all require proper gianis to do proper studies of these works even behind closed doors between each other, rather then sleeping and making money. To actually start really scholarship which is academic proper, rather than mickeymouse courses. Considering veggeterian langar is mainly there to call people of all faiths even hindu vishnu followers and buddhists to eat alongside with in Sikhi. Many hindus who were veggeterian upon becomming sikh have followed veggeterianism into sikhism would it be fair to say for the sake of inclusiveness it is harsh to say a sikh should be veggeterian. Would it be okay to bring a kfc box into a gurdwara?

Rumi sahib wrote 3 books in which his discourse are available http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumi School tradition Sufism; his followers formed the Mevlevi Order Main interests Sufi poetry, Sufi whirling, Muraqaba, Dhikr Notable ideas Persian poetry, Ney and Sufi dance Influences Baha-ud-din Zakariya, Attār, Sanā'ī, Abu Sa'īd Abulḫayr, Ḫaraqānī, Bayazīd Bistāmī, Šamse Tabrīzī Influenced Sir Mohammad Iqbāl, Shah Abdul Latif Bhittai, Tāhir ul-Qadrī, Kazi Nazrul Islam, Abdolkarim Soroush (the people above helped develop those ideas abit like a university dissertation, thesis the works of the previous help the later build up as with many other spiritual writers that went up to India, so many take route from Rumis ideas which show many hints of Buddhism) Works: Masnavi, Diwan-e Shams-e Tabrizi, Fihi Ma Fihi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masnavi http://en.wikipedia....Shams-e_Tabrizi http://en.wikipedia....ki/Fihi_Ma_Fihi His works are also known as the persian quran that being the quran being written in persian. However the ideas extend far into vedic stream more into enlightenment and bring bridging into the ideas given in Sikhi. It may help to understand sikhi more so. Masnavi, http://www.thesufi.c...umi_masnavi.pdf http://www.scribd.co...8505593/Masnavi http://www.scribd.co...8/masnavimanavi http://www.scribd.co...384/The-Masnavi http://www.scribd.co...990/The-Masnavi http://www.scribd.co...73/Rumi-Masnavi http://www.scribd.co...masnavi-i-ma-na Diwan-e Shams-e Tabrizi, http://www.bahaistud...divaneshams.pdf Fihi Ma Fihi http://www.thesufi.c...ihi_ma_fihi.pdf http://www.scribd.co...FihiMaFihi-Rumi http://www.scribd.co...mi-Fihi-Ma-Fihi More sufi books: Hafiz http://www.scribd.co.../55259085/hafiz ATTAR'S The Ilahi-Nama (Book of God) http://www.thesufi.c..._ilahinaama.pdf Sheikh SAADI's Gulistan (The Rose Garden) http://www.thesufi.c...en_gulistan.pdf Sheikh SAADI's Bostaan (The Orchard) http://www.thesufi.c...ard_bostaan.pdf http://www.scribd.co...jabi-sufi-poets http://www.scribd.co...60-1900-Krishna http://kirpalsingh.org/Booklets.html http://kirpalsingh.o.../Rumi_Hafiz.pdf http://www.thegateso...umans/HAFIZ.pdf http://www.conscious...oems-2004_9.pdf http://www.scribd.co...ection-of-Hafiz http://www.scribd.co...-Divan-of-Hafez http://www.scribd.co...me-2-by-Various http://www.scribd.co...93/DivaneHafiz- http://www.scribd.co...f-a-Modern-Sufi http://www.scribd.co...k-Hafiz-Shirazi http://www.soas.ac.u...s/file24804.pdf http://www.scribd.co...92/Amir-Khusrau http://www.scribd.co...1/Life-and-Work http://www.scribd.co...2973332/Ghazali http://www.scribd.co...ory-of-Munasaba http://www.scribd.co...husrau-of-Delhi http://wahiduddin.net/sufi/sufi_poetry.htm

What do you think about taking omega3 cod fish oil tablets. Many doctors say it is good for brain and other organ functions many veggeterians take it. What would you say if you are amritdhari?

Dear all, How were instruments such as tablas, tumbis, and other created in the past? Many instruments require animals skin such as goat skin? Are we to assume singhs chatka those animals to create the instruments? If it is bedbi to bring meat into gurdwara why not instruments created with them, or leather items, other things made from animals, some shastars made from bones, horns, teeth of animals? Nihangs bring teeth of pigs into gurdwaras? Is it bedbi? Bhai Mardana played rabab which is also made with animals skin with Guru Nanak. The saddles placed on horses were from skins and leathers of animals even glothes to hold baaj falcon. Plus some animals they kept in gurusahibs times would need to eat meat some dogs eat meat? Were chatkas done in qilas forts, castles, places belonging to Sikhs. Most punjabs rajas such as patialla raja used to do hunting? What does this all mean. We have sakhis of guru sahibs going on hunting, giving mukhti to animals? But did Singhs do that.. we had instruments for gurbani made?

Hindu views The Hindu religion is naturally pluralistic. A well-known Rig Vedic hymn says that; Similarly, in the Bhagavad Gītā (4:11), God, manifesting as an incarnation, states that The Hindu religion has no theological difficulties in accepting degrees of truth in other religions. Hinduism emphasizes that everyone actually worships the same God, whether one knows it or not.[13] Just as Hindus worshiping Ganesh is seen as valid by those worshiping Vishnu, so someone worshiping Jesus or Allah is accepted. Many foreign deities become assimilated into Hinduism, and some Hindus may sometimes offer prayers to Jesus along with their traditional forms of God. Over centuries hinduism was a mish-mash of many religions the puranas merged local faiths into vedism. Indra devta worship came alongside Shiva worship, on the side vishnu and brahma worship. Then importance of visnu avtars like Ram and krishna became the central ideas. Vedism led to krishna conciousness, then later with the emergence of buddhism it came a challenge to hinduism it was merged into hinduism producing the upnishads we find buddhism in upnishads from India. Whereas these days hinduism stands with shakti marg chandi/durga/sherawali mata, kale mata, saraswati pooja alongside yagnas, havans, pandits (rings so forth), hanuman chalisa (from puranas), Shiva dedication and ganesh worship. Worship of Krishna and possibly Radha. In persia we find buddhism being merged alongside zorostrainsm (also having vedic origin) into Sufism so alongside Islam where smaller ideas where already done by mohammad but post-muhammad done by philisophers, polymaths and aclaimmed sufis. We find the bigger interaction of hinduism and islam tackled by Rumi then India further by Bhagat Kabir. Sikh view So with Guru Nanak being born into a hindu family preaching to many hindus there is no hindu or no muslim people can accept. Where as from a sufi perspective islam says never insult the god or religion of another faith otherwise they will insult the quran and allah. Also sufis teach by reaching the egoless state you no long see religious differences however still encapsulated within common islamic principles. So we see the mutually exclusive nature of it as well it's ideological inclusive nature.

Get all the versions of the vedas contrast each one, it is a dieing tradition learn all you can... get english so forth see all of them... Vedas written by Brahma (who was probably a king) and all 4 are named after his four sons.

So Arya is Uzebeikstan, Tajikstan, Iran, Afghanistan, Balouchistan, NWF, Sindh, Punjab (pretty much pakistan), Northern India. These people breed amongst each other. Theories go those people migrated to or from or to and from. Who have some link with Latin Europe maybe greeks, romans, vikings, celts so forth, were quite separate from jews, arabs, and semetics not sure about summerians, some claim armenians were aryans and the canians who were the jews/arabs were aryans or had learnt from aryans. All the people above interacted through Ashoka (who converted greeks to buddhism, buddhism spread world wide through him), Alexandra the great, cyrus the great, and darrius the great. Harrapa ancient indus valley had some interactions with the past, we learn people were as connected as we are today people did communicated in between globalisation is not new. Each observed and learnt from each other. Vedas are the oldest texts written by brahma after debated, theorisied, summariesed newer religions came out of it perhaps the origins of judaism are from vedas. Zorostrainism, Jainism and Buddhism come from Vedas. Vedas teach astronomy, mathematics, physics to a very high degree which we have reach now in modern times and more so which we neglect. Upnishads (combine buddhism with hinduism), Ramyan+Gita+Mahabharata somehow come from Vedas (puranas come much later and are what mainstream hinduism is it brings in the elephant, snakes, and the rest -vishnu 2). Vedas resulted in Shaivism, Brahminism and Vaishinism each clashed later came together. In the vedas the main dieity is Indra, 5 elements are listed, vishnu is a minor dietey not given the importance he is later, mantras can be combined and separated but there is alot of Science. My guess is vedas are the remain of a more ancient civilisation so is missing much as is a piece of a bigger puzzle we don't have which requires archaelogy and further study to decode. Vedas were sung orally later written down so people spoke that language which is now dead. It is far too old 12000 years old but there was civilisation before so to understand it is hard. See more here http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/vedaindex.asp Read Gita here: http://vedabase.net/bg/

Yo.... Anyone got a link to suraj prakash granth in english... Holla back at your boy!!!

LOL Niddar is dancing around man anyone can do that... he just did besti of upna lot

Get into a routine, sleep properly,, goto bed by 10pm and wakeup before 9am. Eat 3 meals a day... your environment shapes you, clean your room, open window. Eat fruits and veg helps detox, have 2ltrs water. Drink green tea... surrond yourself with people who add value to you, stay away from toxic negative people go around cheerful positive people. Listen to yourself and your negative views, thoughts and speech (a glass full, glass empty.. negative person sees glass empty while positive sees glass full) ‎'A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty' Excercise get outside at least 30mins to 8hrs a day... Learn something new, conquer your goals and objectives, challenge yourself, get out of your comfort zone do something nuts you won't do... see the person that is happy do what they do to achieve there goals. Time manage don't stress yourself with load, relax, eat and drink lavish yourself, go around flowers surrond yourself with positive colours, smile more. Stop thinking negative thoughts... Wash your clothes and bath everyday... One thing common in west that leads to anxiety and stress is masturbation bad sex life... So practice abstinence, from partner moderate your sexulal conduct, excess in anything is harmful moderate yourself, there is more to live get out have fresh air go places, go to a big shopping centre, watch a movie, go to the park, meet friends... Do yoga, dream big, achieve your goals, happiness is a state of mind, in the mind you can make your life a hell or heaven, be demon or angel... Chill a little bit... Forget your troubles be trouble free. If it is a girlfriend issue dump her get another one, move on... sounds raw but life can be cruel... life is too short to waste time around people who add no value to you... Read a book The best cure for anxiety is travel! Do simran satguru removes anxiety from mind.

Well an acclaimed kabir panthi movement kind of like sai baba shirdi wale... There main focussed book or scripture is Anurag Sagar There are different translations here are a feww http://www.scribd.com/doc/34413796/Anurag-Sagar-by-Kabir-%E2%80%93-Ocean-of-Love http://www.scribd.com/doc/38226236/Anurag-Sagar-Complete http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/26166410/267721633/name/BookAnuragSagar.pdf http://www.aors-dbbs.org/enter/books/pdf/anurag-sagar-1.pdf http://www.spiritualawakeningradio.com/anurag_01_intro.pdf In each age satguru takes manifestation, Kabir Ji came in many ages to give mukhti and only with dedhari guru can real gurmanat be given which guru granth sahib says is panj shabad. It is a mantra constituted of 5 primal sounds which radhaswamis believe Guru Nanak got and is different to mainstream sgpc singh sabha sikhi known to most of us.

Richard Dawkins is intelligent.. he makes arguments on the basis of evolution mainly so a biolgist at heart. Rather then a big-bang man going from physics angle. Richard looks through nature. But he deduces a human in nature is not different to animals. Do animals need law and order? Why does man require such special framework? Humans are not instinctively governed without having inherent violent actions otherwise there would be no crimes or prison systems. Unless we want to percieve God from a new angle being the social interactions we have with one another and place more importance in that. There is a requirements for governing, policing so forth in the past this was connected with religion. However as religious ideas have changed perhaps due to corruption things have changed. Richard Dawkins has proved, Judaism, Christianity and Islam absolutely wrong he goes into biblic stories and says they are not possible. We have people from islamic research foundation who have proved christinaity and judaism wrong based on contradiction and fallacies in those books. We have many scholars proving Islam wrong with contradiction, inhumane teachings so forth. Someone like Einstein supported Buddhism, one thing is not alot of light is placed on Indian traditions such as Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism, Krishna Conciousness and others connected like Zorostrainism and Sikhism. The surrounding difference is we compare what atheism calls a sky daddy to a really subatomic level, panatheistic omnipresent supreme being. We find things like quantum physics are deducible from these theologies please see: However we can argue against this, Richard places importance in vmat2 gene (god gene) for creating spirtual experience. One would think what happens to law and order if we move away from depth of thinking. We would need to ask Richard what he thinks of Karma?

Before Abraham was vedism.. throughout the world. Zorostrainsim different forms of hinduism. Mandirs everywhere. Egyptiainism. Plato-ism aristotlism. So forth Science was far at that time as well.. Yoga-ism... Abraham has taken ideas of his time into his religion.

We need to see why context is important. In that time if it was written clear cut, that a religion is wrong blatantly and will burn in hell and should become Sikh, Sikhi may have not grown at all as Islam said that what led to it's growth was state control, forcefully and other insentives. Hinduism was controlled by state but lost it's power at that time however is in power now. "Make thy mind thy Mecca and make thy body thy temple of worship. This soul, the speaker is the Supreme Guru. O Maulvi, then utter thou the call to prayer. The one body mosque has ten doors. Slay thou thy wrath, doubt and malice and consume thine five demons. Thus thou shalt be blest with contentment. The Hindus and the Muslims have the same One Lord. For man, what can the Maulvi do and what can the Sheikh do?" (Bhagat Kabir, Bhairo, pg. 1158) "The Hindu is blind and the Muslim is one-eyed. The Lord divine is the wiser of the two. The Hindu worships at the temple and the Muslim at the mosque. Namdev serves that Lord, who has neither a temple nor a mosque." (Bhagat Namdev, Gond, pg. 875) "All the Vedas, the religious books of the Muslims, the Simirtis and Shashtras, by reading these, salvation is not obtained. He who by Guru's instruction utters the one Name; He gathers the pure glory." (Guru Arjan, Suhi, pg. 747) http://www.sikhs.org/relig_qa.htm "A Muslim understands the Muslim way of life and a Hindu the Vedas and Puranas. To instruct his mind, man ought to study Divine Knowledge to some extent. I know only the One Lord, who is the source of everything. I believe not in him, whom the Lord writes (creates) and erases (destroys). If someone sees the One Lord, he perishes not by beholding Him." (Bhagat Kabir, Gauri, pg. 340) "If God abides only in the mosque, then to whom else does the rest of the country belong? According to Hindus the Lord's Name, abides in the idol, but, I see not truth in both. O my Lord God, I live by Thy Name. O my Master, show Thou mercy unto me. The God of Hindus dwells in the southern land and the God of Muslims has His seat in the west. Search thou in thy mind, yea, search thou in the heart of thy mind, for this alone is the only abode and seat of thy God." (Bhagat Kabir, Parbhati, pg. 1349) "The Muslims praise the Islamic law and they read and reflect upon it. According to them the Lord's servants are only they, who fall in captivity (of orthodoxy of Islamic law) to see His sight. The Hindus praise the Praiseworthy God, when they see in many beauteous form. They bathe at holy places, make flower offerings and spread the perfume of eagle-wood before idols. The yogis that there are meditate on the Absolute Lord and name the Creator as Unseen....Like the above, depart after eating here, what they had. Have they thus done any good deeds?" (Guru Nanak, Slok, pg. 465) "The temple or the mosque are the same, the Hindu worship or the Musalman prayer are the same; all men are the same; it is through error they appear different. Deities, demons, Yakshas, heavenly singers, Musalmans and Hindus adopt the customary dress of their different countries. All men have the same eyes, the same ears, the same body, the same build, a compound of earth, air, fire, and water. All and Abhekh are the same, the Purans and the Quran are the same; they are all alike; it is the one God who created all. The Hindu God and the Muhammadan God are the same; let no man even by mistake suppose there is a difference." (Guru Gobind Singh, Akal Ustat, pg. 275) You may stand and recite the Shaastras and the Vedas, O Siblings of Destiny, but these are just worldly actions. Filth cannot be washed away by hypocrisy, O Siblings of Destiny; the filth of corruption and sin is within you. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 635) O Pandit, O religious scholar, your filth shall not be erased, even if you read the Vedas for four ages. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 647) He is beyond the world of the Vedas, the Koran and the Bible. The Supreme King of Nanak is immanent and manifest. ||4||3||105|| (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 397) One may read all the books of the Vedas, the Bible, the Simritees and the Shaastras, but they will not bring liberation. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 747) I have read all the Vedas, and yet the sense of separation in my mind still has not been removed; the five thieves of my house are not quieted, even for an instant. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 687) The Pandits, the religious scholars, and the silent sages, reading and studying the Vedas, have grown weary. They do not even think of the Lord's Name; they do not dwell in the home of their own inner being. The Messenger of Death hovers over their heads; they are ruined by the deceit within themselves. ||7|| (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 1277) Vedas, Shastras, Simritis all say many things but I do not accept anyone of those. (Raam Avtaar, Guru Gobind Singh Ji) http://www.searchsik....com/hind8.html http://www.searchsik...m/articles.html http://www.searchsik....com/islam.html

Check out this one of the first atheist muslims http://en.wikipedia..../Ibn_al-Rawandi Also to add the sciences of astronomy where mastered in India and regions of Iraq and Iran thousands of years before islam as well as the formation of a foetus was known in the vedas much before bisections were done even the egyptians who invented the condom thousands of years before knew how babies were made. As well as how blood was within milk much before from Bhagatwat Gita.. the prostration taken from judo-chrsitan traditions which had take there diety originally from vedas as another name Ala for Indra devta (diety of thunder).. combined with Shiva.. the dieties worship extensive use of ancient yoga practices found also in Buddhism with the same prostration. The dhikr practice taken from simran of hinduism, mantras found in buddhism. The use of war strategies around in the world. Cutting hands, feet, stonning to death from judaism which jesus challenged.. so as to alter calling the doctrines of jesus false and placing importance as the jews were unable to undo jesus's damage to there belief systems as well interpolation of other religious scriptures and alterations. The sciences were known. Muhammad was the most powerfullest business man upon his first marriage in saudia arabia and much of the world upon trade. They had many poets under there control. Just like banks own the world today it is to them to control what people thing and obey to or die for otherwise. Also like painters who painted something true about a king or queen such as a queen having yellow teeth would be killed so lies had to be brought about. Muhammad combined the religions and philosophies of his time, a great combination at that it presented some great ideas such as gratitude and a power military conquest. Who took liking to great conquerers before him such as Alexandra and Cyrus, trying to achieve world conquest which was carried on after his death, still in action today. Mitigation techniques require full out understanding as it exploits people ignorance.. for instance islam teaches hate and fight non-believer for they hate you and wish evil on you. This understanding is like a chinese finger trap, if you pull on it, it gets tighter. It induces hatred to reply with hatred increases muslims hatred for non-muslims, when you reply with love it leads, to mitigation of hatred, confusion sometimes to try again with hatred but it pushes the finger trap off. Required to be done carefully and controlled. His haddiths show he knew the maps of the world he even phrased india and said his muslims would take it over and put many into slavery something which encouraged others to pursue. These were originally the beliefs of judaism mixed with paganism (which seems very vedic in nature - the links with ancient arabia and vedic beliefs are so similar in nature combined with zorostrainism, Buddhism and Christianity with some missing components). There are many contradictions as well, we find exploitations, suppression and ideological tricks heavily used still even today.

Baba Nand singh was aware of other granths in terms of the mathematics he gives for gurbani these are from another book which is supposedly written by guru gobind singh. so we can not pass it over for innovation how can question its authenticity.

Isn't the use of electricity, lights, coolers, fans, televisions, mics, cameras, a/c in gurdwaras innvoation as well? We need to move forward take the past and move with it into the future to define it. Dasam Bani can be done prakash in a separate room or have a border set up then.

How about man's need for meditation can a human be psychologically healthy without active clearing of mind?

http://en.wikipedia....gious_pluralism The holy book of the Sikhs (the Sri Guru Granth Sahib) says, As well as; The Guru Granth Sahib also says that Bhagat Namdev and Bhagat Kabir, who were both believed to be Hindus, both attained salvation though they were born before Sikhism took root and were clearly not Sikhs.This highlights and reinforces the Guru's saying that "peoples of other faiths" can join with God as true and also at the same time signify that Sikhism is not the exclusive path for liberation. Additionally the Guru Granth Sahib says;

Bulleh Shah was a sufi... Sufis are generally tolerant muslims who engage in dancing, singing and poetry. The motives and intentions of each sufi can be different. Some wish to convert kaffir non-muslims by lying to them like saying we are the same people and your people are great. Others try and bring better relations so others can convert later on. Some sufis are descendents or used to be of non-muslim origin so use the sufi medium as a way to water down islam. There is too much to bulleh shah from his poetry he clearly is an intelligent person. Mixes Islam, Sikhism and Hinduism reasons may be unsure. He comes in a time when Sikhs have just created an empire and some hindus and sikhs are in the mood to take revenge on Muslims for centuries of persecutions done to them. Bulleh shah's works use very excellent literate poetic verses in simplicity that explain very advance philisophies so delivering Plato, Aristotle, Rumi, Hafiz, Guru Nanak (10Gurus and Guru GRanth Sahib), Quran + Haddiths, Prophet Muhammad, Jesus, Ram, Adi Shankarcharya, Sheikh Farid, Bhagat Ramanand, Krishna (vedas, upnishads, ramyan, gita, more)... very simply in small verses to the simplest of minds perhaps not a combined effort but an effort of generations of writers works. Baba Nand Singh comes in a time before 1947 mediates on naam practices gursikhi and has certain event miraclous in nature occur not sure of the nature. However he is pursued by even Muslims who follow him.. to all of his followers he teaches from Guru Granth Sahibs tolerant views and interprets them to allow others to be true and the best of what they are to there faith. Baba Nand Singh is found mediating on the grave of bulleh shah (in gur rehat maryada a forbidden practice). Many Sikhs were influenced by sufis so perhaps a family ritual however not allowed from Sikhi. Baba Nand Singh shows influence from Bulleh Shah. Bulleh Shah praises Guru Ramdas as for saying his followers had a conflict with Muhammads that has ended and something else has come out of it. He called Guru Tegh bahadur a ghazi a matyr for truth for which muslim objected to and refused to even pray at his death and grave declaring him a kaffir. Bulleh Shah praised Guru Gobind Singh saying if it wasn't for him there would be no hindus and everyone would be muslim. These verses are read in gurdwaras, amazing punjabi literature however from a sikhi perspective they should not be allowed in guru hazoori as for kavi darbar a tradition to be revived yes they can be put along side other poets of sikhi and can be presented in music and videos. Bulleh shahs works are quoting from gurbani with paraphrasing and give application for islam so can show how sikhi can help a muslim become a better muslim. Bulleh Shah brought sikhs and muslims closer together. Alike to Guru Nanak who brought Muslims and Hindus closer, and Bhagat Sheikh Farid who brough Hindus closer to Muslims. Each may have had different intentions but are all under the spirit of humanitarianism.