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I get where you're coming from. But Guru Gobind Singh Ji instilled in our people a love of one another that allowed for people to sacrifice themselves without hesitation. He didnt love his sons more than other young Sikh men and he didnt favour them over the collective good. That isnt the case nowadays. A lot of people are only out for themselves and that means treating their kids like lottery tickets. That breeds the kind of resentment that leads to a lot of our problems. On a macro level. look at the Badals. They poison the Sikh homeland, give out drugs and drink, impoverish poor people even more with high prices for everyday materials, prostitute our heritage for tourist dollars, destroy heritage to make way for terrible new buildings, import millions of muslims and other immigrants who make ordinary Punjabis' lives unbearable, order police and gangs to attack villages, bankrupt the state etc etc. Now this leads to a lot of anger and hatred towards them and the Akali Dal. When the Indian economy enters the shitter and the Badals start crying for help from the NRIs, none is forthcoming. Why? Well why would any Sikh in their right mind support these dogs? If they didnt do these things and did things that were not so damaging to East Punjab, people would be far more loyal and willing to help. Maharaja Ranjit Singh's Empire still inspires people to this day. The actions of our ancestors do so aswell. But the actions of modern Sikh elders and leaders is anything but endearing. You cannot say any Sikh leader today has the same level of benevolence that was worthy of respect and sacrifice like it was historically. For the grooming issue, a lot of Sikh lads wont do anything because they arent inspired to do so. If they were to act would it stop Sikh parents acting like crackheads in the bookies with a slip in their hand hoping that their horse (kid) comes in first so they can walk off with the winnings? Will it stop the Sikh parents and community acting like idiots so that a girl saved from musigrooming doesnt end up just running off with a gora/kala later on? Will it stop the Sikh boys who helped their Muslim friends get Sikh girlfriends to abuse from being able to marry into the Sikh community? Who will employ these boys who put their neck out? Will they be happy if their daughters married them? Will fighting the groomers stop fundo Sikhs from blaming the victims and saying stupid things like this wouldnt happen if everyone wore a turban? These are the things that have changed since the old days. You've read PP, you should know all about support networks. Look at what happened in Leicester. Why dont Gurdwaras give a grand to the boys' family for every month their boy is in jail? We hand out siropas like it's nothing, but we cant take care of our own. Would a Sikh business owner employ them when they leave prison? When it comes to others, we are all about second chances. With our own we let them rot. With parents ripping off their own kids in our own community I doubt these ideas would even pop into the heads of our elders or leaders. Why dont the Akali Dal raise this issue with the British Consulate staff who are always selling Sikhs over there all sorts of useless services and products? Why are the Badals going on trips to countries who give money to mosques here in the UK for every SIkh child they convert? Why are Sikh bodies in the West so sycophantic to Muslims when they cant even sort out our own issues? Look at what happened in Quebec with the hijab/kirpan issue. Why arent Sikh lawyers lining up to help the grooming victims and those who fought back after the BBC documentary? Why arent Sikh journalists countering the lefty and muslim apologist nonsense? Why arent Sikh politicians coming down hard on this seeing as muslim politicians were so willing to hide the culprits in their own community? Ultimately we have to work with what we have. Who knows, the office drone could be a lethal predator with the right man behind the controls. What I'm trying to say is that you need to see this like a war. Having more footsoldiers might give an advantage in some battles and a little more flexibility but ultimately more meat for the grinder wont win the war. You have to hit them hard everywhere. You have to make life hell for those they care about, you have to hit them economically, you have to ruin their lives, destroy their support structures, limit your own exposure and make them never lift their heads again. When they realise they are not dealing with amateurs and try to sue for peace that is when you finish them and devour them as an example to the rest of their people. Until that hunger for victory returns to Sikhs that make them want to build a better world for their kids and to hell with the non-Sikhs we wont get over this issue. If Sikh elders and community really cared for their kids, it would be reciprocated, just as it was back in the old days. But if we tear ourselves apart just because we think it is what the wider world wants or it will help us get ahead, then the apathy will continue.

From western China to Burma to Sri Lanka, the real Asian world is waking up to the depravities of certain strains of Abrahmic culture. Those who wish ill on others are finding themselves suffering and their Allah not willing to help their schemes. At least those places will one day be safe from muslims. On the other hand Badal is importing them from f*ck knows where and building cities for them. It will be like 1701 all over again. We will only have ourselves to blame for it.

Yup, sounds like a groomed girl alright. In Canada of all places. It's hard to tell if it's her posting or they've got her account details and are posting from it whilst they have her doing other stuff. That happens a lot. When we had girls like this running around the UK talking about how Kaurs should become Khans, a lot of Canadian Sikhs laughed and slagged the British Sikh community off. Now what are you Canucks going to do?

Well sorry about that but the family love a good fight on a night out, we'll try to finish before you get your supper next time. Anyway, as they say the grass is always greener on the other side... Just like freshies see UK as some golden island full of opportunities and get rich jobs until they get here, a lot of our lot see what they want to see in muslims. The same goes the other way. I know a Punjabi muslim girl who married my mate and she had been beaten black and blue by her dad for listening and dancing to Punjabi music when she was a kid. Girls like her take the rough with the smooth when they join our community and dont seem to mind. If it was such a big thing so many girls wouldnt go out with Sikh guys. Drunken fights are a part of a lot of cultures around the world. Our drinking culture needs to be a bit more civilised, I wont deny that. I prefer the odd drunken dust up to being teetotal and then cutting off my daughter's genitals just because it's part of my culture and acting like it's nothing. Our lot are a bunch of tools but at least they are candid about what they are like. Sulleh are far better at hiding their laundry. FFS they've been getting away with child prostitution and all sorts in their ghettoes for decades now. As for the office jockeys, show them how its done and turn the sparrow into the hawk. With the grooming issue building up the SAS are going to needs all kinds of help. If the Sikh community piled in and used these skills to secure convictions we could deal a crippling blow to the sulleh like they would never have imagined. Being rich has it's own advantages. As the Jews are all heading to the exits the Sikhs have become the number one tax contributing race per capita. That should bring some power as long as we dont piss it away by asking for stupid things like more Singhs on TV. We could also make lives hell for sulleh by reporting them to immigration, reporting sham marriages, tax dodging cabbies, getting our lot in other countries to make it harder for them to emigrate there etc. They are bricking it since the Lee Rigby murder. Cant you smell the fear lately? If we still had a proper underclass, they would've been turned into useful idiots by bigger gangs, like in Canada. They still have Sikh gangbangers over there who walk around like they are the dog's bollocks even though it's some old white mafioso pulling the strings above them. The criminal underworld from EP are made up of dopey ex-Punjab Police and foreigners. I dont think we'll ever have the romanticised subculture like the Mafia, Triads or Yakuza have for people who gravitate that way. Maybe if we had our own country, but that's another discussion. As for the barbarian stare thing, I dunno, gets some girls going in my experience. A lot more appealing than that 'poke your eyes out and stick your tongue out like a dog' thing some freshies (of all religions) and even island born Sikhs do. The legendary Sikh car crash mentality is nothing new. 150 years we willingly followed the Dogras to our own demise. At least we were up for a fight back then. Racing from one target to the next like a mini version of the Soviet Union is never going to help Sikhs. From job to car to area to holidays, it's an arms race only a few can win. A more tactical approach would do wonders instead. Today we have holy people telling us that we are going to win WW3(!). People will always see what they want to see. If they dont want to see the issues than they are going to get bitten sooner or later. Like I said in another thread, the day the Sikh community and parents put the needs and future of their children above the wants and wishes of the wider world will be the day a lot of these issues f*ck off. Obviously you will still get some fundos down the Gurdwara praying for riches and great jobs for their kids, just like you get sulleh fundos who dont want to live in the more fundamentalist parts of the Islamic world.

Comment 14 from the link you posted: Inni Kaur (Fairfield, Connecticut, USA), September 03, 2013, 5:15 PM. I hesitate as I write this. Please take it in the spirit it is written. Many of you may know that I work closely with Sikh children in the US. The last few years, I have noticed a disturbing trend. Our children, particularly the girls, are saying, "I just want to put it out there that the Muslim boys are so out there ... They have so much confidence ... Their attitude is whatever." These comments are being made in my confidence building session. What is equally disturbing is that their peers are nodding in agreement. Our boys seem to be in agreement. Questions: Why have I begun paying close attention to this? Is this a new trend? Has it been happening and I have been clueless about it? Or have the children become more relaxed with me and therefore are saying what they truly feel? I really don't know. Nor do I have any answers. But as somehow who is deeply connected with the community, I am very concerned. This is not the case of Muslim bashing. This is being aware of what is happening around us. I am sharing this with the sangat with the hope that we pay careful attention to the subtle message that the children send us. I truly hope that I am wrong with what I am observing. Sulleh have 'swag' is how Sikh kids perceive them. They see the Muslims as standing up for themselves, being comfortable in their ignorance, standing up to 'the man'. They probably romantacise what the Boston bombers did like some minority kids over there do. Just because they live in a hostile white environment isnt an excuse to latch onto anything that seems to resist it. Just like Sikhs here shouldnt join the Far Right even if the muslims have pushed us in that direction. I have relatives over there who have to work in gas stations/stores and serve people with the Nazi tattoos and stuff who try and threaten them. But they do it to put themselves through college and can handle it without going home and staring all lovey eyed at anyone who sticks to fingers up to the West. Also, a lot of our fundos get their ideas for parchar and even vocabulary off what they hear the sulleh say. It's ridiculous.

FH. Spin some half arsed truths and then shut down the conversation before anyone can make a mocking noise or question it. Now that is definitely a British invention. Unfortunately for a lot of sheep they will accept what he says as truth. Especially our lot in East Punjab. Makes you wonder who really are the laughing stock.

So who had 3 years in the sweepstakes then? Congratulations!! Seriously though, the comments are the same for all divorces. People saying she used to be pretty as well when she looks the bloody same. Same old, same old Daily Fail know it all commenters. One thing I will say is that if this was a Sikh girl marrying some English bloke the commenters would have been a lot less flippant and more likely to support the woman in her choice. Wonder why.... This was coming a mile off anyway, it's hard to sell $85 yoga mats and toothbrushes that are just twigs when your husband is scamming people for their land and a half-arsed property developer.

Wait and see. I get the feeling that a lot of Sikhs just want this issue to drop out of view so they can go back to bickering and bitching. SikhSangat has never been so quiet. If Sikhs really want to wake up they need to set up SAS groups in the US and Commonwealth now. And not 'open to all, let me show off my ego' type groups Sikhs tend to set up but a group that can make real change. On the social media, Left Wing Whites were calling Mohan Singh a racist and liar, others along with sulleh were joking about volunteering to act as counsellors to Sikh girls. Sunny Hundal and his harem accused SAS of acting as vigilantes and questionned whether a religous Sikh man is the right image or even capable of helping these girls.These people dont even understand us and our lot act like we are all the same. That's not to say we arent all equal but some people have different biases. Just because there is a bit more awareness doesnt mean we can run off and make believe that everyone is on our side and that this issue is over. The only ones who can sort this issue out are our own. Credit where credit is due, the American SIkhs that take in victims caught up in this are fantastic. Before anyone says we should listen to the Goreh and stop sending the girls abroad just because some 'specialist' says so, bare in mind that rich English businessmen have set up a similar network that allows white families who's children are in care or in danger of going there to leave the UK for other parts of Europe and protect their children from grooming and abuse in the care system. I cant over emphasise how important it is that North American Sikhs give us a hand with this issue and protect themselves from this happening to them. The other thing is that Muslims will seem appealing to our youth as long as we carry on this fundamentalist drive in our religion. We've had ideas about telling religous stories to girls to stop them converting for decades now. That may help with stopping them turning into half-xtians. But how do any of these stories actually stop grooming? They dont. An unhappy or naive or neglected girl will always be a soft target. One of the commenters on SikhChic even said US Sikhs youth seem to be fascinated by muslims as they act how Sikhs want to be. If we stopped acting like dopey blase fundamentalists then maybe this wouldnt happen. There's a reason women-only cultural events are helping to stop girls feel like they are better off being abused by sulleh. Fundamentalist culture doesnt cut it - look at the Times article from last week, it was the simplistic one-dimensional dogmatic lifestyle that drove the girl into being groomed and left her in the paki's hands.

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We can try but the Paks will always hide behind the 'Islamophobia' excuse. Most other non-Pak muslims rely on Islam as a cornerstone of their identity so they will always find common cause with the Paks - 'just cos'. I seriously doubt if the wider Islamic world knew about this issue that they would care. 'What about the Sunnis in Syria and Burma!!!! eh?!' would be the standard response. Rather than trying to coax the Paks from the Islam shell, it's a lot better to just attack the Islamophobia for the nonsense it is. The sulleh have this charity set up called 'Tell Mama' (lol) for muslims to call and cry about how the dirty kafirs dont love them for being super special people and are jealuous of their burkas and lack of foreskin. The sob stories the charity comes up with are cases of people being spat on or having headscarves ripped off at worse. Boo hoo. The Tell Mama charity said the grooming and rape of Sikh children had nothing to do with muslims though. Funny that. Could we for one second imagine that every time an English person committed a racist crime or did bad things to people just because of their colour that they accused the victims of 'Anglophobia'? Pulled over by white policemen all the time? Anglophobia. Beaten up by a skinhead gang and you think it's because you're brown? Anglophobia. Have weird white people always going on about 'dark fruit' and harrassing underage Sikh girls? Anglophobia. Imagine if the police/social services/academia/local councils all piled in behind to support this bigotry. You know if this happened we would be having punch ups in the street every day like it was the 60s/70s again. But what is it about muslims that prevents us from dealing with it? Is it their stranglehold over the local politics? Is it the failure of the muslims at large for not ostracising and forcing these people to face up to the reality of their hate? Is it simply because muslims are brown too and we are supposed to find common cause in the face of racist hostility from the British? Or a combination of these? If muslims cant face up to it, we need to move on and protect ourselves. And that means no more going out on a limb for them, no matter what.

The message being put out is that be careful of boys who may groom you. A lot better than sweeping it under the carpet, but unless the underlying issues of why girls fall for this in such large numbers is solved then we are just kicking the can down the street. That cocktail of boredom and unhappiness will always cause problems for these girls. They become aware of grooming and avoid muslim men whilst growing up but that wont stop them running off with a gora or kala as soon as they hit uni or the workplace. It may not be the same as grooming but it's root cause is the girl's perception of her own family life and community opposed to the opportunity that attaching her wagon to someone else's horse brings in her eyes. Just like with the girls who are groomed. So are Sikh elders, men and the community at large willing to change? Dont bet your house on it. They will continue to guilt trip girls and feed the resentment that always bites back. And no, no amount of religous stories will fix this issue. As for the sulleh, their tactics will evolve. We've already seen token gujis/kaleh/goreh being roped into their gangs to avoid the blame being directed at the muslim community. Stories of muslim men going after girls just out of their teens to avoid paedophilia charges is becoming more common. In West London there was a case a year or so ago where a Sikh policewoman in her early 20s was destroying evidence and giving her paki bf, who she met through friends, information on how the criminal case was proceeding against him whilst he was lying low in southern europe. It wouldnt surprise me if the change in attitudes in Sikh grooming amongst the powers that be are attempts to stop impressionable Sikh girls and boys being used as trojan horses into more sensitive parts of the British establishment by you know who. If something like this has happened it's not like we would know about it. Grooming will still happen to girls who live far from large Sikh communities or in Pak-infested areas. Again we would never hear about these. It's not like that many Paks have a conscience to report it, apart from the odd one or so Punjabi girl who has enough sense to come to terms with what her community is like. But these people are in such a tiny minority. The rest see this as some sort of victory. Of course some Sikh twats will stand outside their mosques during riots and be used as human shields in fights between the EDL and Islamic extremists or go tunnel crawling in Gaza. But it's not like our community has any sense of what they are doing half the time anyway.

Her name is Katy Sian and is an out and out islamophilic apologist. She was on the 'board for anti-racism' or something at the University of Leeds, a city with a disproportionate number of grooming cases. She is also an anti-Semite which isnt exactly uncommon among our lot but still disgusting. She is on the advisory board of 'City Sikhs' which says a lot about that organisation. This is her twitter account: https://twitter.com/theculturecraft She referred to the documentary as an 'uncritical rehash of stereotypes' (the b*tch was never taught the meaning of the word victim whilst getting her education) . She then said "No mention of patriarchy + no mention of critical voices= all Muslims are 'groomers'". Whatever the f*ck that means. Though the documentary did have a former groomer who admitted that Sikh girls were targetted and muslim girls left alone. So much for this not being a religous issue. Then she tweeted 'Will programme makers provide evidence to the police so there can be a proper investigation?'. Well didnt you find any evidence when you were 'researching' your book? Or were you too busy with your 'Blowjobs for Palestine' campaign? "Moving forward from this car crash documentary Sikhs and Muslims need to unite against racism instead of pandering to it! Peace" were her final comments. No chance. No sympathy for Muslims ever again. Of course for most Sikhs they will carry on with their impotent ways until the whites pull their finger out and kick us all out. admin cut it I'll just go now. The SIkh community in the UK is a joke.

http://www.yespunjab.com/punjab/item/28880-cousins-held-for-gang-raping-killing-minor-girl-for-revenge

I warned about this years ago. Got called paranoid. So what are people's opinion on this? Is it Islamophobia? Are Sikhs just as bad?

I think the horse has already bolted. From the videos the author has made it is clear the muslim community is fully behind her and are going to use this as a firm foundation for their 'logic' and skewed world view that we are just making this up as part of wider islamophobia. The fact that we have groomers being sent to jail, documentaries on grooming and victims coming forward exposes her book for the islamophilic apologist bullshit it is. If anything we should bang on about this book till we're blue in the face. Bang on about the small sample size and statistically insignificant interpretations the author makes. Bang on about how well educated the author is whilst being so young. Someone must have paid for it. If it's her parents they should be ashamed of themselves. If its her sulla ex bf then the world needs to be told. Watch the video she did and make massive holes in her points that cant be explained away. Last I heard, the author is heading to North America. We often get told how useless the British Sikh community is dealing with intelligent 'Judenrate' types. Well my Canucki and Yankee brethren, show me how it's done.

It split into the lower middle class who no longer do blue collar jobs and work in various parts of the service sector (paid and unpaid) instead. The other half are the 'cash in hand'/benefits for life types who dont want to work or at least not give the goverment their cut. The days of millions of blue collar workers jovially doing their menial jobs is long gone, in the UK at least. Marx would be turning in his grave.

In the eyes of the English most of us Sikhs are middle class. If both your parents work or want to work, you are lower middle class. I dont think the working class even exists in the UK since our glorious Thatcher (pbuh) decided to do in the millions of blue collar workers who were the main support for her biggest rivals in Parliament. As for crawling up asses, I'll wait till I've seen the programme.

I didnt mean death footage in general, just the stuff that gets some of our lot so emotional. You know, the ones that have dead blacks or musis in. That Mexican just dont cut it for them.

Aww man, some people were looking forward to seeing more sulleh death porn. Oh well, they'll just have to wait a bit longer for their fix. Maybe they can beat their chests and cry their eyes out over the badger cull instead?

We will only turn the corner on the grooming issue when the Sikh community and parents put the needs of their children above the wants of the wider world.

I'm still surprised he used to come here so brazenly. Udham Singh would have done a better job even if he had a couple of pints beforehand. Another sign we are not as good as our ancestors.

The old man is the policeman and the kid was his victim.