shaheediyan Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 http://books.google.com/books?id=if2EmJupw...IBwjw#PPA599,M1 THE ASIATIC JOURNAL FOR JULY, 1828. Communication*, THE EAST-INDIA AND CHINA TRADE. CEREMONY OF MAKING A SIKH. When a person wishes to become a sikh, he makes known his intention to some grant'hi,* or to any person learned in their sastras ; and if he wish to become a khalsa he permits his hair to grow. When his hair has grown a month or two, he goes again to the grant'hi, who prepares the nectar by stirring a knife in a bowl of water, repeating incantations : a person present joins the hands of the new disciple, into which the grant'hi pours some of this water of life, of which he drinks five times, and afterwards rubs a little on his eyes. While he receives this water, he repeats five times : " wah! guru jida khalsa/ wah! guru jida phateh/"* The grant'hi next demands his name, which, if insignificant in sound or meaning, is changed for another, and the word singha^- added. After this, a meat offering is prepared, called kara prasada, composed of clarified butter, flour, sugar, milk, and various kinds of fruits mixed and baked on the fire. The grant'hi now worships the book (the adi-grant'ha, or " chief book," the depository of the sikh creed and law), and presents to it some of the meat offering; the rest of which is offered to Akala Purusha (a name of Narayana, the supreme spirit), in the name of Nanak accompanied by a prayer to Govinda Singha, that his blessing may rest upon the person now becoming a sikh. At the close of these ceremonies, the food is distributed amongst the spectators of every caste ; and the grant'hi addresses a short discourse to the disciple respecting the religion of the sikhs, and teaches him an incantation, by repeating it in his presence till it be learnt, or else he gives it him in writing. The sikhs pay great reverence to the initiatory incantation, but less to their spiritual guides than the Hindus. Women are made Sikhs in the same manner as men, the only difference in the form is that when the nectar is prepared for women, it is stirred with the back instead of the edge of the knife. When a Musulman becomes a sikh, he is forbidden, in the strongest manner, to eat beef†0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 very disturbing to see that the "Granth" is not called Guru in this book as it reinforces the belief of naamdharis, that Guru Granth Sahib is not called Guru in any writings prior to Singh Sabha. the mentioning of meat makes it sound like it is a nihang amrit ceremony 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 the mentioning of meat makes it sound like it is a nihang amrit ceremony Nah - i think it refers to "sweetmeat" an old word for sugar based confectionary or cake. From experience, many 'observers of native culture' mis-translated what they were told - remember that Amrit Sanchar is private i.e. no spectators. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted November 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 "remember that Amrit Sanchar is private i.e. no spectators." http://www.mrsikhnet.com/wp-content/upload...ig__MG_2930.jpg 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 "remember that Amrit Sanchar is private i.e. no spectators." http://www.mrsikhnet.com/wp-content/upload...ig__MG_2930.jpg i beleive amrit sanchar was always open back in the times its just they have found spectators to be not silent always talking, thats probably why they made it private... its only few handful always ruins for the rest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted November 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 N30 Singh Ji, also consider the histories that state the 1st Khande de Pahul were carried out in prepared tents away from the main audience, as is done today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 N30 Singh Ji, also consider the histories that state the 1st Khande de Pahul were carried out in prepared tents away from the main audience, as is done today. oh i didnt know that.. :? , could you please tell me, whats the source of this information? thanks much. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted November 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaisakhi No, just kidding (although it does mention the tents here) I will dig out the info when I home later, unless someone else can provide it in the meantime and save me a job! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted November 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 One is Guru Kian Sakhian written by Bhatt Sarup Singh Kaushish in AD 1790 at Bhadson. It was tranlsated from Bhattachchhari to Gurmukhi by Bhatt Chhajju Singh Kaushish in AD 1869. Obviously there are other versions available today ad authenticity of some Sakhis is questioned etc (as is with most other sources). If anyone knowns any other sources please share. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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