Vibrations and Sounds during state of entering Sleep ?

[Ragmaala]

WJKK WJKF

Just curious about something that happened to me tonight when I was halfway in my sleep. I have had this once before too. Research on the internet tells me that it is related to an OBE but it could be my imagination as well.

So , during sleep I got awake, I was half asleep and half awake. I felt suffocated and felt paralysis. Happened to me 3-4 times. I wanted to go deep into it. Then I was conscious of my surroundings , then I realized I am paralysed. Then I feel these vibrations and sounds like the cranking of a machine very fast , fast whirring sounds , i liked the vibrations and they felt good . But it was also scary since I couldn't move my body. And then I started to visualize and chant Waheguru in my mind. I wanted to see if I could depart from the physical body but guess not. Then I was dissatisfied lol.

I don't care much about these astral projection stuff, if it happens it will happen otherwise not who cares. But one thing I realized is that when we are about to die we are in a similar state, all paralyzed and so helpless and the yamdoots take out out jind forcefully. If we haven't had practise meditating on waheguru before then it is hard to recite waheguru in our minds when jamdoots are taking us away. Because it requires a great control to Japp waheguru when we are paralyzed acc. to me. Rest the experiences may vary.

Please share your experiences as well. And if anyone can enlighten please let me know what happens after those vibrations.

Thanks a lot

wjkk wjkf

[Mithr]

But we also need to differenciate between our soul and astral body. When we die the Jamdoots forcefully take out our souls, but when OBE happens only the astral body seperates from the body but even that is somehow attached to the body through a silver cord. I've heard that when the soul is dragged out, it literally shakes your very bones. OBE on the other hand is supposed to be a good experience. Has anyone here ever had an OBE?

[Harbhajan]

Out-of-body experience clues may hide in mind

Scientists: Misfiring brain behind bizarre sensation

By Marsha Walton (CNN)

(CNN) --Over the years, many people have described having "out-of-body" experiences, but there's not much solid scientific data on what causes them. Now, a chance event may shed some light on what produces the feeling.

Neurology researchers in Switzerland report the case of a woman who described "floating above her own body and watching herself" while she was undergoing testing and treatment for epilepsy. The strange experience only occurred when one particular part of her brain, the angular gyrus in the right cortex, was stimulated with an electrode. And it happened every time the angular gyrus was stimulated.

"Of course it was a big surprise when she told us," said Dr. Olaf Blanke, a neurologist at Geneva University Hospital, and author of the findings in this week's edition of the British journal Nature.

"You hear strange reports sometimes, but in five or six years of doing this I've never gotten that sort of response before," said Blanke.

He says the patient wasn't really frightened, but she did say it was a very strange sensation.

Blanke said it would have been difficult for the patient to fake such an experience. She had up to 100 electrodes implanted in her brain for these sessions, and had no idea which electrode would be stimulated, or when. The stimulations each took 2 seconds or less.

At other times during the same session, Blanke said, the patient screamed, because she "saw" her legs shortening, and "saw" her knees about to hit her face.

Electrodes and brain 'mapping'

The unidentified 43-year-old patient had suffered from epileptic seizures for 11 years. Doctors were using electrodes to try to pinpoint the origin of her seizures. Such brain "mapping" is also used to help doctors identify critical areas of the brain, like those responsible for speech or movement, so they aren't damaged during surgery.

While the electrodes are implanted under full anesthesia, patients are fully awake during the testing procedure, so their comfort, language skills, and responses can be constantly monitored.

This case is a little unusual for researchers, since the out-of-body experience was a surprise to both the patient and the doctors. Since nothing was planned, as it would have been in standard research, there were no control groups or other measures, like perhaps videotaping the session.

Others in the field say these serendipitous findings sound plausible, and intriguing for further study.

"It does fit in with a body of work on how we perceive our bodies and space," said Dr. Barry Gordon, professor of neurology at Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions.

He says similar descriptions have come from other people with epilepsy, and from stroke victims and others who have had seizures. This region of the brain may also tie in to the well-documented descriptions of "phantom limbs" by amputees.

"Our brains are not built the way we think; the inner mind is more bizarrely constructed than we might think," said Gordon.

As an example, Gordon said, when you look at an apple, you might see red and round and shiny and think of the word, "apple." But the brain may see the red in one place, the round and shiny in another, and process the word "apple" in yet another. We count on our brains to sort it all out and combine it into something we understand, he said.

An out-of-body experience may be a slight disconnect or misfiring of the processing of information. And, said both Blanke and Gordon, the trauma of having electrodes implanted in one's skull, plus the fear and uncertainty that go along with a complex clinical procedure, could possibly help trigger such a misfiring of information, such as the case of the Geneva patient.

"Sometimes patients describe looking down on their own bodies, and that experience is actually an aura or a warning that a seizure is about to occur," said Dr. Cindy Kubu, a neuropsychologist at the Cleveland Clinic Foundation. She has worked with patients with epilepsy for more than a decade.

She said some patients see lights flashing, others see cartoon characters, others have feelings of deja vu, or its opposite, jamais vu (when what is really a very familiar experience seems to be happening for the first time). All of these events can be precursors to a seizure.

Neuroscience and the paranormal

The angular gyrus is a complex part of the brain, responsible for things like body and space awareness, and logical sequencing.

If something is awry there, said Kubu, a patient might put on his pants first, and then his underwear, and not understand that there's a problem. Or the patient might feel like a hand or arm is not connected to the rest of the body, and he can't make it function.

The next step in learning more about out-of-body experiences will likely be efforts to try and replicate the results in other patients who agree to take part in such tests.

"This is fun, fascinating stuff," said Kubu. "And it could help our patients get better," she said.

As for Blanke's patient in Geneva, she is doing much better, he says, and her seizures are under control.

Dr. Blanke is hopeful that many different experts will be able to work together in using this unexpected information from his patient. He says there's even some value in what's often viewed as the "paranormal."

"Lots of people try to explain something away which is for many people, an amazing experience that has transformed their lives. I hope we can add some precise neuroscience and try to collaborate with people in many fields," said Blanke.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/...oolsc.outofbody

Personal recommendation: Recite "Kirtan Sohila" daily prior to bed time !

[Kamal_chauhan]

It is definately spooky. I think sleep paralysis happens becuase of not enough sleep. I am not sure whether it is good idea to try to go from sleep paralysis into OBE. What do you think? Anyway this link below explain about the dangers of OBE.

http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/12/th...ral-projection/

Has anyone had any OBE. Please share your views. I am sure it will help a lot of the forum members.

[Ragmaala]

thnx for the link

[Xylitol]

i've had the sleep paralysis type thing happen to me before. don't know what it means, if anything.

it's not a good idea for your soul to leave your body. a person has to be very high avastha to leave their body at will, and they have to be even higher to find their way back !!!

[Mithr]

xylitol, I don't think that OBE is the seperation of the soul from the body. I think that it's the seperation of the astral body from our physical body.

The physical body cannot stay alive without the soul. What we experience in the OBE is only through the astral body.

[harsharan000]

WJKK WJKF

Just curious about something that happened to me tonight when I was halfway in my sleep. I have had this once before too. Research on the internet tells me that it is related to an OBE but it could be my imagination as well.

So , during sleep I got awake, I was half asleep and half awake. I felt suffocated and felt paralysis. Happened to me 3-4 times. I wanted to go deep into it. Then I was conscious of my surroundings , then I realized I am paralysed. Then I feel these vibrations and sounds like the cranking of a machine very fast , fast whirring sounds , i liked the vibrations and they felt good . But it was also scary since I couldn't move my body. And then I started to visualize and chant Waheguru in my mind. I wanted to see if I could depart from the physical body but guess not. Then I was dissatisfied lol.

I don't care much about these astral projection stuff, if it happens it will happen otherwise not who cares. But one thing I realized is that when we are about to die we are in a similar state, all paralyzed and so helpless and the yamdoots take out out jind forcefully. If we haven't had practise meditating on waheguru before then it is hard to recite waheguru in our minds when jamdoots are taking us away. Because it requires a great control to Japp waheguru when we are paralyzed acc. to me. Rest the experiences may vary.

Please share your experiences as well. And if anyone can enlighten please let me know what happens after those vibrations.

Thanks a lot

wjkk wjkf

Dear brother,

our Guru Sahibans and Gurmukhs put a lot of emphasize on Nam Simran, it is almost repeated on each ang of the Bani. This Nam Simran, apart from other benefits, it also like dying while living... it is a rehearsal to die while living.

The only difference is that, when one dies, one has no options but to leave the body forcefully. But with the practice of Nam Abhyaas, we learn to leave the body voluntarily, so naturally it will be less painful.

It somebody is thrown in a river, who does not know swimming, naturally will drown. But if that person knows how to swim, is thrown in the same river, he will reach shore safely.

That is why Saint Paul in the Bible also says: I die daily

Now, what Saint Paul states, is just a confirmation, that all Gurmukhs of all times, come always with the same message. And that is Nam, Shabad or the "Word" is the same truth for all, and only our association with it, can release us from all bondages, even the one of death.

Now when he says I die daily, means he does Nam Abhyaas daily, and with that what he does , is to retrive or withdarw his consciousness from the world, and throughproper technique or jugtee, tries to merge in that Shabd, which is present in each one of us. So in that sense, during that practice, we may appear dead to the world, because for that period of time, we are away from the world, but are very much alive in the higher realms of consciousness.

That is why also, the Gurmukhs stress much on Nam Simran, because at the time of death, one may may face difficulties, such as pain or suffering, at that time one is very much afflicted with those bodily troubles ... and thus it is very much difficult to remember Wahiguru at that time...so the purpose of Nam Simran daily and regularly is also, that at that time we may be able to remember Him, as we have been practising that all our lives.

The moments of death are crucial for all, if we have left any desires unfulfilled, those will be a big hindrance in our destiny. But if we have done Abhyaas regularly, definetely, Wahiguru with His Grace, shall abide in our minds in those moments, thus our journey towards our true Nij Ghar, shall have no hindrances, because we have been faithful in our practices, in the sikhya given to us by our Guru Sahibans.

All the glory, the mahima we can sing in the praising of our Gurus, is nothing compared to their Majesty, it would be like a tiny star in the Sky....

Dear brother you have good past sanskaras, that is what your experiences say... Do a favour to yoursef, if you do abyaas regularly, very good, if not, do not delay even for a second... we never know when is our "ant wela" coming. Because if we miss this human blessed oportunity, we do not know when shall we ever get this body again, in which the Lord has kept the door for our liberation.

The Bani tells us: Bahut janam vichurey thay Madao.. yeheh janam tumhare lekhey .

This means , we have had lost counless lives, and thus are in the cycle of births and deaths... but this life I am going to dedicate it totally to You, with what You most like and accept as devotion at Your Lotus Feet, and that also, which I have learnt from Your Gurmukhs, and that is the Gurparsd of Nam Simran.

Mera Har Prabh Sundar, mhe saar na jaana..

[Ragmaala]

"if not, do not delay even for a second... we never know when is our "ant wela" coming. Because if we miss this human blessed oportunity, we do not know when shall we ever get this body again, in which the Lord has kept the door for our liberation."

Yes. Guru Ji says Nimakh Na Keeje Dheela.

Hope I can bring it into my practical life.