Balbir Singh Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Singh2 Jee You wrote "Balbir ji I know who you are." God knows him too. Are you still interested in 'Chaubees Avtaar'? Quote "Let me tell you frankly You are here to defend Hindutva ideology." I am not sure if I am capable to do so. Hindutva also Sikhatva is left behind a long back. Quote "You are not a sikh." Some time back Sikhs were giving titles to themselves. We are not Hindu. Strange, Sikhs are now giving titles to human beings. You are not a Sikh. Is that the way to produce rarity among Sikhs and feel precious? Quote "Had you been a sikh the following would have satisfied." Jeev is not aware of his breath but others should move according to his wish. ----- Quote from Mithar Jee "So you are impressed by the famous Kala Afghanist Inder Sinh Ghagha?" Teaching Hinduism to Sikhs is a great art, that also in Gurdwaaraas. He seems to be a very confident person. He defies even reverend Guru's Statement. Balbir Singh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balbir Singh Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! I have a curiosity. Gurdev is singing in Chaubees Avtaar. ਜੋ ਚਉਬੀਸ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਕਹਾਏ ॥ Jo chaubees avtaar kahaae|| Those who are called twenty-four incarnations; ਤਿਨ ਭੀ ਤੁਮ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤਨਕ ਨ ਪਾਏ ॥ Tin bhitum Prabh tanak na paae|| O Lord ! they even could not realise thee in a small measure; Why is it so that none of the twenty-four Avtaars realize Lord in a small measure? Balbir Singh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singh2 Posted July 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! I have a curiosity. Gurdev is singing in Chaubees Avtaar. ਜੋ ਚਉਬੀਸ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਕਹਾਏ ॥ Jo chaubees avtaar kahaae|| Those who are called twenty-four incarnations; ਤਿਨ ਭੀ ਤੁਮ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤਨਕ ਨ ਪਾਏ ॥ Tin bhitum Prabh tanak na paae|| O Lord ! they even could not realise thee in a small measure; Why is it so that none of the twenty-four Avtaars realize Lord in a small measure? Balbir Singh ਸਭ ਹੀ ਜਗ ਭਰਮੇ ਭਵ ਰਾਯੰ ॥ सभ ही जग भरमे भव रायं ॥ They became kings of the world and got deluded; ਤਾ ਤੇ ਨਾਮ ਬਿਅੰਤ ਕਹਾਯੰ ॥੭॥ ता ते नाम बिअंत कहायं ॥७॥ Therefore they were called by innumerable names.7. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balbir Singh Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear Singh2 Jee! Thanks for referring the wonderful Vaaks from Gurdev. ਸਭ ਹੀ ਜਗ ਭਰਮੇ ਭਵ ਰਾਯੰ ॥ सभ ही जग भरमे भव रायं ॥ sabh hee jag bharme bhav raayaM. All the worlds move in illusion, the activity King. ਤਾ ਤੇ ਨਾਮ ਬਿਅੰਤ ਕਹਾਯੰ ॥੭॥ ता ते नाम बिअंत कहायं ॥७॥ Taa te naam biant kahaayaM. Hence Name Infinite is said. It was just a drop of water. Please pour some more. Balbir Singh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singh2 Posted July 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear Singh2 Jee! Thanks for referring the wonderful Vaaks from Gurdev. ਸਭ ਹੀ ਜਗ ਭਰਮੇ ਭਵ ਰਾਯੰ ॥ सभ ही जग भरमे भव रायं ॥ sabh hee jag bharme bhav raayaM. All the worlds move in illusion, the activity King. ਤਾ ਤੇ ਨਾਮ ਬਿਅੰਤ ਕਹਾਯੰ ॥੭॥ ता ते नाम बिअंत कहायं ॥७॥ Taa te naam biant kahaayaM. Hence Name Infinite is said. It was just a drop of water. Please pour some more. Balbir Singh Balbir singh how many translations you will distort? Read below. These avtars were formvishnu. See Guru ji writes about Vishnu ਚੌਪਈ ॥ चौपई ॥ CHAUPAI ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾਦਿਕ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਪਚਹਾਰੇ ॥ ब्रहमादिक सभ ही पचहारे ॥ Brahma and others have got tired in knowing Thy end; ਬਿਸਨ ਮਹੇਸ੍ਵਰ ਕਉਨ ਬਿਚਾਰੇ ॥ बिसन महेस्वर कउन बिचारे ॥ Who are the helpless gods Vishnu and Shiva? ਚੰਦ ਸੂਰ ਜਿਨਿ ਕਰੇ ਬਿਚਾਰਾ ॥ चंद सूर जिनि करे बिचारा ॥ The sun and moon also meditate on Thee; ਤਾ ਤੇ ਜਨੀਯਤ ਹੈ ਕਰਤਾਰਾ ॥੧੪॥ ता ते जनीयत है करतारा ॥१४॥ Therefore Thou art known as the Creator.1 Chaubis avtar, dasam granth 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balbir Singh Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Singh2 Jee! You wrote "Balbir singh how many translations you will distort?" I say what Gurdev explains me. Let Gurdev speak to you also directly. Please be happy with your translations and live long on earth. Quote "These avtars were formvishnu." Thanks for your information. Are they still living? May I ask why HE is called Vishnu? Quote "See Guru ji writes about Vishnu" You referred Gurdev. Vishnu is a part of the immanent Lord's Body. Is God's Body to contemplate or finding it helpless? ----- Followers of a religion are as much disoriented as their preachers and translators. Balbir Singh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singh2 Posted July 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Singh2 Jee! You wrote "Balbir singh how many translations you will distort?" I say what Gurdev explains me. Let Gurdev speak to you also directly. Please be happy with your translations and live long on earth. Quote "These avtars were formvishnu." Thanks for your information. Are they still living? May I ask why HE is called Vishnu? Quote "See Guru ji writes about Vishnu" You referred Gurdev. Vishnu is a part of the immanent Lord's Body. Is God's Body to contemplate or finding it helpless? ----- Followers of a religion are as much disoriented as their preachers and translators. Balbir Singh God resides in all of us. So he resided in Vishnu also. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balbir Singh Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 God resides in all of us. So he resided in Vishnu also. Is God not residing in Vishnu at present? What about if Vishnu is a Hindu? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singh2 Posted July 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Is God not residing in Vishnu at present? What about if Vishnu is a Hindu? When all is said that includes all of us. Vishnu is no special. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balbir Singh Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Singh2 Jee! Quote "God resides in all of us. So he resided in Vishnu also." Quote "When all is said that includes all of us. Vishnu is no special." Have I understood it correctly? God is special. But when HE resides in Vishnu, Vishnu is no special. Did any of the reverend Gurus also say that Vishnu is no special? Balbir Singh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singh2 Posted July 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Singh2 Jee! Quote "God resides in all of us. So he resided in Vishnu also." Quote "When all is said that includes all of us. Vishnu is no special." Have I understood it correctly? God is special. But when HE resides in Vishnu, Vishnu is no special. Did any of the reverend Gurus also say that Vishnu is no special? Balbir Singh Balbir singh The message of sikh gurus is that they do not support the avtar concept of Hinduism. In Hinduism avtars are considerd as absolute Gods. The sikhism does not support that.So those who say that Dasam granth promotes Devtas are misguided persons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balbir Singh Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Singh2 Jee! You wrote "The message of sikh gurus is that they do not support the avtar concept . . ." Did the reverend Gurus deny once the existence of Avtaar? Without getting Avtaar as Manukh (human being) how is it possible to receive true Naam and liberation? Quote "The message of sikh gurus is that they do not support the avtar concept of Hinduism." Avtaars were coming on earth also before Hinduism. Quote "In Hinduism avtars are considerd as absolute Gods." I do not know if some Hindus are ignorant but why Sikhs are wasting life to prove it. Quote "The sikhism does not support that.So those who say that Dasam granth promotes Devtas are misguided persons." Unwitting preachers may produce wrong translations but they cannot change the original statements of the Gurus. Please ponder. Why the reverend Gurus have used so often names which you consider as Hindu Devis and Devtas? Better long for the state where also the Jeev can praise those Names whom you call Hindu Devtas. Balbir Singh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singh2 Posted July 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Singh2 Jee! You wrote "The message of sikh gurus is that they do not support the avtar concept . . ." Did the reverend Gurus deny once the existence of Avtaar? Without getting Avtaar as Manukh (human being) how is it possible to receive true Naam and liberation? Quote "The message of sikh gurus is that they do not support the avtar concept of Hinduism." Avtaars were coming on earth also before Hinduism. Quote "In Hinduism avtars are considerd as absolute Gods." I do not know if some Hindus are ignorant but why Sikhs are wasting life to prove it. Quote "The sikhism does not support that.So those who say that Dasam granth promotes Devtas are misguided persons." Unwitting preachers may produce wrong translations but they cannot change the original statements of the Gurus. Please ponder. Why the reverend Gurus have used so often names which you consider as Hindu Devis and Devtas? Better long for the state where also the Jeev can praise those Names whom you call Hindu Devtas. Balbir Singh Balbir Singh Let us know what is your understanding of meaning of Avatr. I have asked it earlier also. It is possible that these names were prevalent in India before and hindu devtas haev copied these names later? But Guru sahib has clarified what these names mean. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balbir Singh Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Singh2 Jee! Quote "Let us know what is your understanding of meaning of Avatr. I have asked it earlier also." God has created all from a part of HIM. All are His Avtaars. Paapee and Punnee, all get Avtaar many times. Only those get Muktee whom HE wants. Sri Guru Granth Sahib mentions the word Avtaar in many forms. Quote "It is possible that these names were prevalent in India before and hindu devtas haev copied these names later?" Firstly came God's Will in existence then the trinity and rest of the world. God's Names are his 'Kirtam' Naams because they work in a particular way. They existed before any so-called religion came in existence. This was supposed to be published in a book form. Your love has forced me to answer today. Balbir Singh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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