jaikaara Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 There are no divisions made for one community or other in Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Sikhi was conceptualized in India and therefore will have elements and iconology from India..there is a bunch of hate mongers who want to show others down are bent upon creating hatred ..they are like ranghars...it is this lot which forms the Anti Dasam lobby who are against Baani of Guru Kalgidhar Paatsaah ji ..some are vocal some silent .. Thanks for the explanation, jaikaara. As a sikh I try to follow Gurmat as much as I can leaving behind the manmat. Yes, the Vedas and the Puraanas are mentioned as well as Ram, Krishan and Allah. But for Sikhs it is Waheguru or Ik Onkaar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASJ Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) There are no divisions made for one community or other in Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Sikhi was conceptualized in India and therefore will have elements and iconology from India..there is a bunch of hate mongers who want to show others down are bent upon creating hatred ..they are like ranghars...it is this lot which forms the Anti Dasam lobby who are against Baani of Guru Kalgidhar Paatsaah ji ..some are vocal some silent .. I get the picture. This is the only reason I just stick to what our Guru Sahibans have taught us because I know the Sikh world out there is very confusing and if you are not careful you can easily drown. I just stick to the SGGS and Banis of the Dasam Patshah ji and I don't look anywhere else for my spiritual journey. I am totally devoted to my faith. I don't agree with people that try to defame or question our Banis or holy Granths. I was quite shocked to read someone making a mockery of our Sacred Ardaas and our act of worship. The holy SGGS is not an 'idol' because idols don't speak to you. The holy SGGS speaks to us instead, every time we open its holy Angs. So, I can't quite understand how it can be referred to as 'idol.' People normalyy recite prayers to the idols which don't speak or make noise. Our holy SGGS is the opposite, it speaks to us. Edited October 29, 2014 by ASJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaikaara Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Very good veere...Hukmai andar sabko ..Baahar Hukam na Koi....I was one of these hate mongers for a short time ..but the more i read baani ..the more i lost all this hate and prejudice... I get the picture. This is the only reason I just stick to what our Guru Sahibans have taught us because I know the Sikh world out there is very confusing and if you are not careful you can easily drown. I just stick to the SGGS and Banis of the Dasam Patshah ji and I don't look anywhere else for my spiritual journey. I am totally devoted to my faith. I don't agree with people that try to defame or question our Banis or holy Granths. I was quite shocked to read someone making a mockery of our Sacred Ardaas and our act of worship. The holy SGGS is not an 'idol' because idols don't speak to you. The holy SGGS speaks to us instead, every time when we open its holy Angs. So, I can't quite understand how it can be referred to as 'idol.' People normalyy recite prayers to the idols which don't speak or make noise. Our holy SGGS is the opposite, it speaks to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASJ Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Very good veere...Hukmai andar sabko ..Baahar Hukam na Koi....I was one of these hate mongers for a short time ..but the more i read baani ..the more i lost all this hate and prejudice... See, our Guru ji has spoken to us and transformed our thinking within a few seconds? This is what I was trying to say earlier on. Our Guru ji teaches us and forgives us when we surrender ourselves completely. Anyway, I hope I haven't said too much! Take care and may Waheguru ji's blessings be upon you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaikaara Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Gurbar Akaal hi AKAALHHHH....May Satguru Sachche Paatsaah ji grant us sadbuddhi and keep us in Charhdikalaa... See, our Guru ji has spoken to us and transformed our thinking within a few seconds? This is what I was trying to say earlier on. Our Guru ji teaches us and forgives us when we surrender ourselves completely. Anyway, I hope I haven't said too much! Take care and may Waheguru ji's blessings be upon you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASJ Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) Gurbar Akaal hi AKAALHHHH....May Satguru Sachche Paatsaah ji grant us sadbuddhi and keep us in Charhdikalaa... Edited October 29, 2014 by ASJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koi Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 You seem to have done a 180 degree u-turn here. You were writing that the Guru Granth Sahib is worshipped like an idol yet now say that Gurbani rejects idol worship. So how should we treat the Guru Granth Sahib? We treat/respect/worship Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji as Waheguru themselves. Guru Gobind Gobind Guru Hai Nanak Bhed Na Bhai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyhp32 Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 We treat/respect/worship Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji as Waheguru themselves. Guru Gobind Gobind Guru Hai Nanak Bhed Na Bhai Well a Sanatan fool tried to equate the respect we give to Guru Granth Sahib to idol worship to please the Hindu idiots on here.. Shows he only knows how to post a few tuks without knowing what the tuks mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amandeep Hindustani Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Well a Sanatan fool tried to equate the respect we give to Guru Granth Sahib to idol worship to please the Hindu idiots on here.. Shows he only knows how to post a few tuks without knowing what the tuks mean. Have you ever even read a book in your entire life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amandeep Hindustani Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) Back to the thread. The Hinduization of Sikhism comes from Sikh scholars going back into hindu scriptures (vedas, puranas etc) to understand certain stories, mythologies, concepts and ideas. What is the entire story of Prahlad Bhagat? What is shastar vidya, the yugas, how long, what is the Kalki Avataar, what are the 16 kalas possessed by him, what is shabad? Naam Simran? Its origins? How could God be with form and without at the same time? What is the higher form of worship? Gunas? To get these answers you have to go back to ancient scriptures, exactly what the great Sikh Gurus wanted. Those are my two cents and Tony can use those two cents to pay off his loan. Edited October 29, 2014 by Amandeep Hindustani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amandeep Hindustani Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 The visits to Hardwar were never regular and only took place when persons who were recent converts to Sikhi would keep up their ancestral routine of visiting Hardwar and getting the Pandas to record their visits. However when Sikhs were in the Doab to collect Rakhi or during the Kumbh then Sikh Rajas would attend with their armies. There is an instance of one such visit in 1796 which didn't end too well for the Hindus. http://gt1588.com/iwitness-attack-on-fakirs-1796/ One of the amusing thing here is the way the Hindus have been posting videos of a minor sword fight at Durbar Sahib to show Sikhs in a bad light yet their Kumbh Mela resulted in violence between various sadhu groups in which thousands have been killed. Not really. The Sikh Gurus themselves went numerous times. Hari Singh Nalwa at least 6 times. After each major battle on his last visit looking for a family purohit. I dont like the fights between the Naga Sadhus. Usually, its because of which group gets the privilege of the first maha arthi. I believe hundreds died in the 80s when these bhangied up sadhus attacked each other. Security has been tight since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhagatSingh Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 We treat/respect/worship Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji as Waheguru themselves. Guru Gobind Gobind Guru Hai Nanak Bhed Na Bhai Koi The reality is some Hindu religions treat/respect/worship certain Murtis as Waheguru. And other Hindus also have Gurus whom they say is Waheguru and treat/respect/worship as Waheguru. There are different religions that do different things. You have to look outside and see what's out there. What kinds of things are people up to. Then you'll get a better perspective on life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amandeep Hindustani Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Come on guys 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koi Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Enough with the profanity both of you! This is supposed to be an intelligent spiritual discussion. If you can't keep civil get off this forum. There are kids using this website as well, at least try to bear that in mind! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koi Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Koi The reality is some Hindu religions treat/respect/worship certain Murtis as Waheguru. And other Hindus also have Gurus whom they say is Waheguru and treat/respect/worship as Waheguru. There are different religions that do different things. You have to look outside and see what's out there. What kinds of things are people up to. Then you'll get a better perspective on life. Whilst that may be true, it does not have any bearing on how a Sikh should worship his Guru. Naanak Sodhhe Simrit Bed. Parbraham Gur Naahi Bhed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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