Popular Post paapiman Posted April 4, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh Hindi is one of the languages used in Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee Maharaaj. It is used a lot in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib jee Maharaaj (Brij Bhasha is a dialect of Hindi). Punjabi was in use even before the incarnation of God - Satguru Sri Guru Nanak dev jee Maharaaj in Punjab. Punjabi and Gurumukhi are two different terms. Satguru gave us a new script called Gurumukhi. One can write any language in that script. Additionally, Shromani Bhagat Baba Kabeer jee Maharaaj's Gurbanee is in Hindi. Bhagat Jaidev jee Maharaaj's Gurbanee is in Hindi. Bhagat Ramanand jee Maharaaj's Gurbanee is in Hindi. Bhagat Parmanand jee Maharaaj's Gurbanee is in Hindi. Bhagat Soordaas jee Maharaaj's Gurbanee is in Hindi. Bhagat Ravidas jee Maharaaj's Gurbanee is in Hindi. That is why i believe that Hindi should be very dear to Sikhs. I seriously can't believe that some Sikhs seem to hate Hindi. Not only Hindi, but other languages like Urdu, Persain, Arabic, Sindhi, Marathi, etc(the ones used in Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee Maharaaj) should all be respected greatly by Sikhs. Additionally, not all Sikhs are Punjabi (they are majority though). There are Afghan Sikhs (mother tongue - Pashto), Sindhi Sikhs (mother tongue - Sindhi), North Indian Sikhs (mother tongue - Hindi), White Sikhs (mother tongue - English/Spanish), Kashmiri Sikhs (mother tongue - Kashmiri), etc. All these Sikhs have a right to be proud of their mother tongue and speak it proudly at Gurudwaras or anywhere else. Khalsa jee, if I am wrong, please let me know. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koi Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 All languages are worthy of respect. though, even with the above, I don't believe hindi should be given more reverence than any other language used in the Guru's baani (Aad, Dasam, Sarbloh). But you are right, I mean, it's a bit silly hating a language 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted April 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 All languages are worthy of respect. though, even with the above, I don't believe hindi should be given more reverence than any other language used in the Guru's baani (Aad, Dasam, Sarbloh). But you are right, I mean, it's a bit silly hating a language Singh Saab, you are right that all languages should be respected, but the ones which are used in Gurbanee such as Punjabi, Sanskrit, Hindi, Persian, Marathi, Urdu, Arabic, etc will obviously be more dear to us than other languages. As you correctly said that Hindi should not be given more reverence than any other language; in the same way Punjabi should also NOT be considered any superior to other languages used by our Satguru. If Satguru wanted, he could have written all Gurbanee in Punjabi, but he did not. For us, our script GURUMUKHI, should be considered the best. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 I seriously can't believe that some Sikhs seem to hate Hindi. Bhaji Sikhs do not hate Hindi or any other language. If there has been any resistance against Hindi, it has been where Hindi has been attempted to be foisted upon the Panjabi speaking people of Panjab. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Singh Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) -EDITED- Edited December 10, 2015 by JatherdarSahib 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted April 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 Bhaji Sikhs do not hate Hindi or any other language. If there has been any resistance against Hindi, it has been where Hindi has been attempted to be foisted upon the Panjabi speaking people of Panjab. Bro, I have come across some Sikhs who look down upon Hindi and that is why I started this post. Such people don't realize that Hindi is one of our own languages, used extensively by Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh jee Maharaaj (Braj Bhasha is a dialect of Hindi). Obviously, forcing any language on anyone is against Gurmat. But my point is that Gurmat/Sikhism should not be connected to Punjabi in such a way, so as to portray that Punjabi is the only or main language for us. Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee Maharaaj is unique as it has many languages in it, which all become very dear to Sikhs. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anandpuria Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 (edited) "Satguru gave us a new script called Gurumukhi. One can write any language in that script." Gurmukhi script existed long before Guru Period. Guru Nanak Dev ji lists all the thirty five characters of this script in his composition 'Patti Asa' pronouncing all the letter names and their order as it exists to this day. Before Guru Period three scripts existed in Punjab: Sharda, Takri, and Lande (also known as Mahajani). Gurmakhi name was given to the 'Lande' script by adding vowel signs to the Landa letters. Guru Nanak Dev ji was sent to the Pandha to study 'Takri and Shastri script'. Landa script was taught at home by Khatri parents to their children as a traditional script for writing business accounts since Khatris were mainly shopkeepers or accountants for rulers. Sharda script was popular in Kashmir and still is. Takri was the script in the Punjab hills. Takri is very much like Gurmukhi. All these scripts evolved from Brahmi. In a place near village Hathoor in Sangroor area there existed a place known as Phirozshah da Maqbra. It was visited by devotees and vistors would write their names and dates on the walls. There exist some names and dates written in the Gurmukhi script that predate Guru Angad Dev thereby proving false the claim that Guru Angad Dev was the originator of Gurmukhi script. Name 'Gurmukhi' does not mean the script of Sikh Gurus. The followers of Gorkh Nath were also known as 'Gurmukh' and this script was also used by them long before Guru Nanak De. Guru ji uses the word 'Gurmukh' in Sidhgost conversing with the Sidhs. It is intriguing to find that the Arabic Numerals (1,2,3,4,5 etc) now used worldwide were borrowed by Europeans from Arabs way back during first milleneum. Arabs do not claim these to be their own but call them 'Hindsa' or borrowed from Hind or India. These Hind people were Panjabi Khatris trading in Baghdad area. These numeral are nothing but the firts letters of Panjabi words for One, Two, three etc. Thus 2 is the first letter ਦ of the word ਦੋ, 3 is the first letter ਤ of the word ਤਿੰਨ and so on. Edited April 14, 2015 by Anandpuria 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted April 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 (edited) "Satguru gave us a new script called Gurumukhi. One can write any language in that script." Gurmukhi script existed long before Guru Period. Guru Nanak Dev ji lists all the thirty five characters of this script in his composition 'Patti Asa' pronouncing all the letter names and their order as it exists to this day. Before Guru Period three scripts existed in Punjab: Sharda, Takri, and Lande (also known as Mahajani). Gurmakhi name was given to the 'Lande' script by adding vowel signs to the Landa letters. Guru Nanak Dev ji was sent to the Pandha to study 'Takri and Shastri script'. Landa script was taught at home by Khatri parents to their children as a traditional script for writing business accounts since Khatris were mainly shopkeepers or accountants for rulers. Sharda script was popular in Kashmir and still is. Takri was the script in the Punjab hills. Takri is very much like Gurmukhi. All these scripts evolved from Brahmi. In a place near village Hathoor in Sangroor area there existed a place known as Phirozshah da Maqbra. It was visited by devotees and vistors would write their names and dates on the walls. There exist some names and dates written in the Gurmukhi script that predate Guru Angad Dev thereby proving false the claim that Guru Angad Dev was the originator of Gurmukhi script. Name 'Gurmukhi' does not mean the script of Sikh Gurus. The followers of Gorkh Nath were also known as 'Gurmukh' and this script was also used by them long before Guru Nanak De. Guru ji uses the word 'Gurmukh' in Sidhgost conversing with the Sidhs. It is intriguing to find that the Arabic Numerals (1,2,3,4,5 etc) now used worldwide were borrowed by Europeans from Arabs way back during first milleneum. Arabs do not claim these to be their own but call them 'Hindsa' or borrowed from Hind or India. These Hind people were Panjabi Khatris trading in Baghdad area. These numeral are nothing but the firts letters of Panjabi words for One, Two, three etc. Thus 2 is the first letter ਦ of the word ਦੋ, 3 is the first letter ਤ of the word ਤਿੰਨ and so on. Bro, are you 100% sure that all the Gurmukhi letters, along with all the lagan/matras, as given to us by Satguru jee, were in use as a unified script before Satguru jee? Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh Edited April 14, 2015 by paapiman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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