Guru Nanak Is God - How?

[paapiman]

Sorry I've been occupied with a few things of late, this couldn't come on this forum. I asked some questioned regarding this topic in my post "Gods and Gurus" .. I will continue to write on this topic on that thread.

Some of the answers to Gurus being God cause more problems then solutions, "we are all part of God" - then whom are we worshipping? How can (Humans) be part of God himself, then reincarnate as lesser being, etc etc... and so on.

Not only are the humans, part of God; everything that exists, is a part of God.

Peace

[truthseeker546]

so when a Human being does something wrong / evil. That's in fact a part of God that is doing so ?

[paapiman]

so when a Human being does something wrong / evil. That's in fact a part of God that is doing so ?

We are getting off-topic. Please start a new topic regarding the above matter.

In this topic, it has been proven, without doubt that Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev jee Maharaaj is God.

Peace

[Koi]

Nanak Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Pooran Har Avtaar.

Jagmag Jot Biraaj Rahi, Sri Guru Granth Majhaar.

[CdnSikhGirl]

We are getting off-topic. Please start a new topic regarding the above matter.

In this topic, it has been proven, without doubt that Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev jee Maharaaj is God.

Peace

His question is not off topic. We have shown that Guru = God and also that EVERYONE and EVERYTHING = God. (Using the same proof that you did we also have proven that ALL of us are also collectively God).

So he was merely asking follow on question from that. That if everyone are God, then if someone does Evil, is that still God doing that evil?

The answer is that EVERYTHING happens because he wills it. Gurbani tells us this.

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ਵਡਾ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਵਡੀ ਨਾਈ ਕੀਤਾ ਜਾ ਕਾ ਹੋਵੈ ॥

vadā sāhib vadī nā▫ī kīṯā jā kā hovai.

Great is the Master, Great is His Name. Whatever happens is according to His Will.

We may not understand it... but without evil, we can never know true meaning of good, without sorrow we can never know the true meaning of happiness.

There are many spiritual paths (including Sikhi) that believe this Universe is the act of the ONE Creator, subjectively experiencing itself through many different eyes. As the ONE it can not do this....from that perspective there is only itself, and so no way to gain that subjective experience. So the Creator alone and ONE, contemplated its own existence, thus bursting forth in thought, the Creation. And just like a dreamer is within its own dream, so to is the Creator within its own creation. Some dreams are bad... some dreams are good... they all serve a purpose. But when the dreamer awakens, it was a moot point, because it was all just a dream all along.

So too is this reality! And within this reality, it takes evolution of the Creation (through many lifetimes) to get to the point where the many can now consciously understand (sentience) and ask the most important question of 'who am I and why am I here?'. We are told this human life is rare that we have been given after so many births and deaths. We are told THIS is our chance to understand God:

ਭਈ ਪਰਾਪਤਿ ਮਾਨੁਖ ਦੇਹੁਰੀਆ ॥

Bẖa▫ī parāpaṯ mānukẖ ḏehurī▫ā.

This human body has been given to you,

ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਮਿਲਣ ਕੀ ਇਹ ਤੇਰੀ ਬਰੀਆ ॥

Gobinḏ milaṇ kī ih ṯerī barī▫ā.

This is your chance to meet the Lord of the Universe.

In previous lifetimes as other species, we have not reached this level of consciousness where we can truly contemplate reality, God, ourselves etc. Though they served a purpose in spiritual development, it is not until we are human that we can truly understand and contemplate these things. But remember, ALL are really God and ALL always have been God. So collectively, the Universe is in a process of awakening.

This has been so well explained in the Emerald Tablet (Tabula Smaragdina) (Hermetica) which is said to contain the secret of Prima Materia.... interesting is how it states:

8) With great capacity it ascends from earth to heaven. Again it descends to earth, and takes back the power of the above and the below.

(reincarnation)

9) Thus you will receive the glory of the distinctiveness of the world. All obscurity will flee from you. (through this process the truth will be revealed)

10) This is the whole most strong strength of all strength, for it overcomes all subtle things, and penetrates all solid things.

11) Thus was the world created. (so not only is the awakening part of the process, but awakening was the catalyst that started the process to begin with)

So you can see that other spiritual traditions also believe that everything came from ONE, and that everything is merely the process of the ONE subjectively experiencing through its own creation... (btw Sikhi doesnt say that Sikhs have a monopoly on the truth. Guru Nanak Dev Ji said anyone can find the truth...

Yes, there is bad in this dream... just like there is good. But just like the bad dreams we have, to the Creator's perspective, where the dreamer KNOWS it's all a dream, the evil, the sorrow was only transient... just like these physical bodies. And bad dreams usually serve to teach the dreamer something...

And through experiencing cruelty, hate, greed, division.....we learn compassion, love, temperance, unity

Edited April 27, 2015 by Satkirin_Kaur

[paapiman]

Nanak Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Pooran Har Avtaar.

Jagmag Jot Biraaj Rahi, Sri Guru Granth Majhaar.

Amazing post. This is the icing on the cake, for this topic.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa

Waheguru jee kee Fateh