DHANGURUNANAK Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Who was Bhagat Kabeer Ji's Guru that taught Kabeer Ji Surat Shabad of Naam Jaap? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sat1176 Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Bhagat Ramanand 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) Who was Bhagat Kabeer Ji's Guru that taught Kabeer Ji Surat Shabad of Naam Jaap?Shromani Bhagat Baba Kabeer jee Maharaaj's guru was Bhagat Baba Ramanand jee Maharaaj, but Daas is not 100% sure, if Bhagat Kabeer jee learned Shabad Surat marag from him or not. Bhagat Kabeer jee used a clever trick to get Gurmantar from Bhagat Ramanand jee, as the latter would not give gurmantar to a non-Brahman. Bhagat Ramanand jee did not even know that Bhagat Kabeer jee was his disciple, until he was informed by others.If someone can elaborate on how Bhagat jee learned the Shabad Surat marag, that would be great.Other point to note: Bhagat Kabeer jee Maharaaj was born to a Brahman woman, by the boon given by Bhagat Ramanand jee Maharaaj. The lady was a widow or unmarried, but the birth occurred without any sexual intercourse. Mata jee abandoned Bhagat jee, due to fear of society. Therefore, Bhagat Kabeer jee was a Brahman by birth, but was brought up by a Muslim weaver couple, who had found him.Bhul chuk maaf Edited September 10, 2015 by paapiman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IJJSingh Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Paapiman is correct Bhagat Ramanand ji was Bhagat Kabeer ji's Guru (gurbani of both these bhagats is in SGGS). Bhagat Kabeer ji tricked Bhagat Ramanand ji into giving him gurmantar because the later would not make a low-caste like Kabeer his disciple.Bhagat Ramanand ji as part of his daily routine, used to go to the river Ganga in dark very early in the morning for bath. Bhagat Kabeer ji decided to lie in Ramanand's path thinking that he will do whatever Ramanand ji says when he stumbles against his body. The plan worked. Ramanand ji didn't notice Bhagat Kabeer lying in the dark. As soon as, Ramanand ji's foot touched Kabeer he realized that he has kicked a human being and he spontaneously uttered, "ਉਠ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਰਾਮ ਜਪੁ Meaning: Get up O God's child and remember God". Bhagat Kabeer ji went home and started simran of the gurmantar "ਰਾਮ" and over time became a famous saint. Ramanand ji found out that Kabeer is his disciple only after Bhagat Kabeer ji became famous. This incident is described by Bhai Gurdas ji in Vaar 15:ਹੋਇ ਬਿਰਕਤੁ ਬਨਾਰਸੀ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦੁ ਗੁਸਾਈਂ।Hoi Birakatu Banaarasee Rahindaa Raamaanadu Gousaaeen.Being detached from the world, Brahmin Ramanand lived in Varanasi (Kasi). ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਵੇਲੇ ਉਠਿ ਕੈ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਗੰਗਾ ਨ੍ਹਾਵਣ ਤਾਈਂ।Anmritu Vaylay Outdi Kai Jaandaa Gangaa Nhaavan Taaeen.He would rise early in the morning and go to the Ganges to bathe. ਅਗੋ ਹੀ ਦੇ ਜਾਇ ਕੈ ਲੰਮਾ ਪਿਆ ਕਬੀਰ ਤਿਥਾਈਂ।Ago Hee Day Jaai Kai Lamaa Piaa Kabeer Tidaaeen.Once even before Ramanand, Kabir went there and lay in the way. ਪੈਰੀ ਟੁੰਬ ਉਠਾਲਿਆ ‘ਬੋਲਹੁ ਰਾਮ’ ਸਿਖ ਸਮਝਾਈ।Pairee Tounbi Outdaaliaa Bolahu Raam Sikh Samajhaaee.Touching with his feet Ramanand awakened Kabir and told him to speak ‘Ram’, the true spiritual teaching. ਜਿਉ ਲੋਹਾ ਪਾਰਸੁ ਛੁਹੇ ਚੰਦਨ ਵਾਸੁ ਨਿੰਮੁ ਮਹਕਾਈ।Jiu Lohaa Paarasu Chhuhay Chandan Vaasu Nimu Mahakaaee.As the iron touched by philosopher’s stone becomes gold and the margosa tree (Azadirachta indica) is made fragrant by sandal. ਪਸੂ ਪਰੇਤਹੁ ਦੇਵ ਕਰਿ ਪੂਰੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਦੀ ਵਡਿਆਈ।Pasoo Paraytahu Dayv Kari Pooray Satigur Dee Vadiaaee.The wondrous Guru turns even animals and ghosts into angels. ਅਚਰਜ ਨੋ ਅਚਰਜੁ ਮਿਲੈ ਵਿਸਮਾਦੈ ਵਿਸਮਾਦੁ ਮਿਲਾਈ।Acharaj No Acharaju Milai Visamaadai Visamaadu Milaaee.Meeting the wonderous Guru the disciple wonderfully merges into the great wonderous Lord. ਝਰਣਾ ਝਰਦਾ ਨਿਝਰਹੁੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਬਾਣੀ ਅਘੜ ਘੜਾਈ।Jharanaa Jharadaa Nijharahu Guramoukhi Baanee Agharh Gharhaaee.Then from the Self springs a fountain and the words of the gurmukhs shape a beautiful form ਰਾਮ ਕਬੀਰੈ ਭੇਦੁ ਨ ਭਾਈ ॥੧੫॥Raam Kabeerai Bhaydu N Bhaaee ॥15॥Now Ram and Kabir became identical. Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Paapiman is correct Bhagat Ramanand ji was Bhagat Kabeer ji's Guru (gurbani of both these bhagats is in SGGS). Bhagat Kabeer ji tricked Bhagat Ramanand ji into giving him gurmantar because the later would not make a low-caste like Kabeer his disciple.Bhagat Ramanand ji as part of his daily routine, used to go to the river Ganga in dark very early in the morning for bath. Bhagat Kabeer ji decided to lie in Ramanand's path thinking that he will do whatever Ramanand ji says when he stumbles against his body. The plan worked. Ramanand ji didn't notice Bhagat Kabeer lying in the dark. As soon as, Ramanand ji's foot touched Kabeer he realized that he has kicked a human being and he spontaneously uttered, "ਉਠ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਰਾਮ ਜਪੁ Meaning: Get up O God's child and remember God". Bhagat Kabeer ji went home and started simran of the gurmantar "ਰਾਮ" and over time became a famous saint. Ramanand ji found out that Kabeer is his disciple only after Bhagat Kabeer ji became famous. This incident is described by Bhai Gurdas ji in Vaar 15:ਹੋਇ ਬਿਰਕਤੁ ਬਨਾਰਸੀ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦੁ ਗੁਸਾਈਂ।Hoi Birakatu Banaarasee Rahindaa Raamaanadu Gousaaeen.Being detached from the world, Brahmin Ramanand lived in Varanasi (Kasi). ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਵੇਲੇ ਉਠਿ ਕੈ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਗੰਗਾ ਨ੍ਹਾਵਣ ਤਾਈਂ।Anmritu Vaylay Outdi Kai Jaandaa Gangaa Nhaavan Taaeen.He would rise early in the morning and go to the Ganges to bathe. ਅਗੋ ਹੀ ਦੇ ਜਾਇ ਕੈ ਲੰਮਾ ਪਿਆ ਕਬੀਰ ਤਿਥਾਈਂ।Ago Hee Day Jaai Kai Lamaa Piaa Kabeer Tidaaeen.Once even before Ramanand, Kabir went there and lay in the way. ਪੈਰੀ ਟੁੰਬ ਉਠਾਲਿਆ ‘ਬੋਲਹੁ ਰਾਮ’ ਸਿਖ ਸਮਝਾਈ।Pairee Tounbi Outdaaliaa Bolahu Raam Sikh Samajhaaee.Touching with his feet Ramanand awakened Kabir and told him to speak ‘Ram’, the true spiritual teaching. ਜਿਉ ਲੋਹਾ ਪਾਰਸੁ ਛੁਹੇ ਚੰਦਨ ਵਾਸੁ ਨਿੰਮੁ ਮਹਕਾਈ।Jiu Lohaa Paarasu Chhuhay Chandan Vaasu Nimu Mahakaaee.As the iron touched by philosopher’s stone becomes gold and the margosa tree (Azadirachta indica) is made fragrant by sandal. ਪਸੂ ਪਰੇਤਹੁ ਦੇਵ ਕਰਿ ਪੂਰੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਦੀ ਵਡਿਆਈ।Pasoo Paraytahu Dayv Kari Pooray Satigur Dee Vadiaaee.The wondrous Guru turns even animals and ghosts into angels. ਅਚਰਜ ਨੋ ਅਚਰਜੁ ਮਿਲੈ ਵਿਸਮਾਦੈ ਵਿਸਮਾਦੁ ਮਿਲਾਈ।Acharaj No Acharaju Milai Visamaadai Visamaadu Milaaee.Meeting the wonderous Guru the disciple wonderfully merges into the great wonderous Lord. ਝਰਣਾ ਝਰਦਾ ਨਿਝਰਹੁੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਬਾਣੀ ਅਘੜ ਘੜਾਈ।Jharanaa Jharadaa Nijharahu Guramoukhi Baanee Agharh Gharhaaee.Then from the Self springs a fountain and the words of the gurmukhs shape a beautiful form ਰਾਮ ਕਬੀਰੈ ਭੇਦੁ ਨ ਭਾਈ ॥੧੫॥Raam Kabeerai Bhaydu N Bhaaee ॥15॥Now Ram and Kabir became identical. Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki FatehThanks for the info bro.Shromani Bhagat Baba Kabeer jee Maharaaj, most likely, did simran of the gurmantar and then attained Brahamgyan. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) Who was Bhagat Kabeer Ji's Guru that taught Kabeer Ji Surat Shabad of Naam Jaap?Bro, First master was also the guru of Bhagat jee. Later in his life, Bhagat jee met Satguru jee, who taught him nirgun upashna.Bhul chuk maaf Edited September 26, 2015 by paapiman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.