Popular Post Kaalka Posted March 21, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖ਼ਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫ਼ਤਹਿ॥ If anyone has any frescos, antique or old images of Singhs and their singhnia, please share them here or PM for email address. Similar to this: If you have any articulated information/articles of the historical no turbanned women, please share that too! Akaaaaaaaaaal 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CdnSikhGirl Posted March 21, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I take it you are against Singhnis wearing turbans... That photo above you can't tell if she is Sikh or Hindu.... so much for standing out. Not only that, she appears to have a nose piercing which is a big no no after taking Amrit. Rest of jewelry is also debatable as some sects rehet maryada even is against jewelry at all. Here is a historical painting showing a keski on the woman. This depiction the woman looks much more like a Sikh. Wearing bana and keski and no nose piercing and no belly showing from skimpy choli and a mountain of jewelry and makeup. Since the Gurus advocated that 'naam' is our jewelry, I find it strange that Sikh women would have been made up like painted dolls. I think this painting below is much more accurate: 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaalka Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Bloody heck, you are absolutely everywhere. I've seen ur posts on SS, SPN, and now you're the first! Hahahaa! 10/10 for the speediness! It is completely possible to get a high top-knot without the support of a nihang-style bunga. Many Jaat women also wore their hair in this fashion: (P.S. I do not wish to converse with your further on this issue - and others, such as women in Panj, as I have stated above. I am very familar with your side of the debate, and frankly, it holds no weight.) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CdnSikhGirl Posted March 21, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Akal Takht Sahib would disagree...along with the Panj Pyaras I took amrit from! (have a read about women masands who had authority to initiate via charan amrit) Anyway different topic...look closely at the painting I posted. It's not hair... It's definitely a keski. Guru Gobind Singh Ji's 52 Hukams: 35 Dastaar binaa nahee rehnaa| (doesn't say only men, so women too are required) "Each candidate for Baptism be made to wear kachhehra, tie hair in a topknot and cover the same with dastaar; wear Sri Sahib (i.e. Kirpan) in Gaatra (shoulder belt). Then he/she should stand with folded hands. (Rahitnama Bhai Daya Singh Ji) Taksal Maryada: For the respect of your hair, two turbans are to be tied, tying each layer one at a time. There should be a small turban tied underneath and a larger one tied above this. Women must not plait their hair and should keep their hair tied in a bun/top-knot, in order to respect your Kesh a small turban should be tied. The Nihang Bibian are dastaardhari, and many contend maintain the original form and discipline of the Khalsa. Their Nitnem Gutka defines that every Gursikh man and woman (Singh and Singhni is the wording used) should have a blue keski in their hair. Okay now let's see what you have as weight on this issue! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhagatSingh Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Kaalka Bhenji, you are correct. Those paintings show women with a top-knot. In the painting you posted the family is much more rich and has the luxury of wearing jewelry, both the man and the woman are wearing it. You can see the man wearing ear-rings and decorative pearls on his turban. In the painting by Satkrin, neither the woman nor the man are wearing jewelry. This is easily explained if you look at their feet. This painting is portraying a poor family who cannot afford jewelry. Coming back to he turban issue - Puratan paintings of Singhnis almost never show the sikh women wearing turbans. Most paintings I have looked at show Singhnis with braided hair and/or a top-knot. That said... Out of like a hundred paintings I looked at, I saw one where it seemed like a Singhni is wearing a dastaar boonga. It could be a prepubescent male since there is no visible breast shape in the painting however the clothes, pink salwar kameez, seem to suggest that it is a woman with her family. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurpreetKaur Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 48 minutes ago, CdnSikhGirl said: Is that a Sikh guy? Why is he wearing a Mughal style cap? 1 hour ago, Kaalka said: Is that a Sikh woman? Why is she wearing a choli? Above two pictures, women need to switch so it can make sense . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurpreetKaur Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, BhagatSingh said: Kaalka Bhenji. How do we know that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnSikhGirl Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, GurpreetKaur said: Is that a Sikh guy? Why is he wearing a Mughal style cap? Is that a Sikh woman? Why is she wearing a choli? Above two pictures, women need to switch so it can make sense . The photo I posted the Singh is wearing kacheras... and the turban style is Nihung style... in fact nihung Singhnis have always tied dastars. I agree, the skimpy choli is not becoming of a Singhni. She looks like a bimbo showing off her body. And rehetnamas ALL are clear that kesh must be covered at all times, so even if a SInghni chooses not to tie turban (as per SRM being optional) then she should still cover with a chunni. However as I posted above, both taksal maryada and nihung maryada explicitly state it's required of both males and females to tie a keski / dastar. Whether or not they do it consistently is a different story. But ALL of the Nihung SInghnis I know tie dastars and were told they were required to when they took amrit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BhagatSingh Posted March 21, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Just now, GurpreetKaur said: How do we know that? Kaalka is a feminine name, she is one of the forms of Devi. I am actually poking fun at him for having Kaalka as his name. I am pretty sure he's a dude. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhagatSingh Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 6 minutes ago, GurpreetKaur said: Is that a Sikh guy? Why is he wearing a Mughal style cap? It's a Dastaar Boonga, turban tower, a stack of multiple turbans. Mughals never wore that but they did wear Dumalla. Quote Is that a Sikh woman? Why is she wearing a choli? Above two pictures, women need to switch so it can make sense . Can you believe sikh women wearing jewelry and long skirts?! lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurpreetKaur Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, BhagatSingh said: It's a Dastaar Boonga, turban tower, a stack of multiple turbans. Mughals never wore that but they did wear Dumalla. Can you believe sikh women wearing jewelry and long skirts?! lol Long skirts= Lehnga you mean? Lol Yea I think before suits were discovered that was the attire. I don't know my hath is very tang in history . :( 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragmaala Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Kaalka said: ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖ਼ਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫ਼ਤਹਿ॥ What is she holding in her hands ? The Singh looks handsome & rich. How do you know she is not a courtesan or someone trying to hit on that Singh ? How about if this image depicts Bhai Joga Singh ? She might as well be a Singhni too... It depends on what the artist was trying to achieve or portray in this image. We probably might never know. We dont know if the setting of the image is public or private. That can make a whole difference. As for turbans, leave it up to the woman herself what she chooses to do with it. It will be interesting to see other images of Singhnis, you have any @BhagatSingh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhagatSingh Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 @Gunahgar Oh I have tons. That image you are talking about isn't an anomaly. It's a fairly common theme. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhagatSingh Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 4 minutes ago, GurpreetKaur said: Long skirts= Lehnga you mean? Lol Yea I think before suits were discovered that was the attire. I don't know my hath is very tang in history . :( Lehnga, Ghagra choli, etc. all types of skirts. They wore them back then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurpreetKaur Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Why women are not allowed to wear jewelry? But men are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnSikhGirl Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Just now, BhagatSingh said: @Gunahgar Oh I have tons. That image you are talking about isn't an anomaly. It's a fairly common theme. So you mean Singhnis can dress in skimpy clothing and show all to the world?? LOL This is news to me! I always thought modesty was expected! No I mean I was TOLD modesty is expected! Why are the sampardas (of which some of you on here are very devout to) claiming that ALL jewelry are a no no if historically Singhnis could wear 10 pounds of gold? Why is modesty preached if historically Singhnis dressed like tramps? (yes, showing your entire stomach and having barely enough fabric to cover your boobs is dressing trampy). Sorry but it is... its proven time and time again women wearing next to nothing (especially in the boobage area) creates objectification of women. In other words, if it's visible men will look and they WILL ogle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnSikhGirl Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 1 minute ago, GurpreetKaur said: Why women are not allowed to wear jewelry? But men are. That's dumalla jewelry that is different... LOL. And yes both can adorn dumalla with them! shastars kept in their dumallas and dumalla chakars etc. They are weapons :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhagatSingh Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, GurpreetKaur said: Why women are not allowed to wear jewelry? But men are. Women have better things to do than stand around getting their pictures taken. They have better things to do. Such as taking selfies and posting them on Facebook. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaalka Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 21 minutes ago, BhagatSingh said: Kaalka Bhenji, you are correct. Those paintings show women with a top-knot. In the painting you posted the family is much more rich and has the luxury of wearing jewelry, both the man and the woman are wearing it. You can see the man wearing ear-rings and decorative pearls on his turban. In the painting by Satkrin, neither the woman nor the man are wearing jewelry. This is easily explained if you look at their feet. This painting is portraying a poor family who cannot afford jewelry. Coming back to he turban issue - Puratan paintings of Singhnis almost never show the sikh women wearing turbans. Most paintings I have looked at show Singhnis with braided hair and/or a top-knot. That said... Out of like a hundred paintings I looked at, I saw one where it seemed like a Singhni is wearing a dastaar boonga. It could be a prepubescent male since there is no visible breast shape in the painting however the clothes, pink salwar kameez, seem to suggest that it is a woman with her family. Great observation! Let's deny the truth for arguement's sake and say his Singhni has a turban, the fact they are in poverty is possibly to moving around due to war. His singhni may of a turban to give the impression to the enemy that there is 2 Singhs instead of a couple, this way fear is instilled within the mind of the enemy. A Khalsa war tactic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaalka Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 23 minutes ago, GurpreetKaur said: How do we know that? *blushes like a girl* *peehee* I am a girl *covers face with larr of dastar - I mean chunni* Disclaimer: chill. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnSikhGirl Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Just now, Kaalka said: Great observation! Let's deny the truth for arguement's sake and say his Singhni has a turban, the fact they are in poverty is possibly to moving around due to war. His singhni may of a turban to give the impression to the enemy that there is 2 Singhs instead of a couple, this way fear is instilled within the mind of the enemy. A Khalsa war tactic. So now you are suggesting that Singhnis were not trained to defend themselves either? (implying she would have been seen as 'weak' and unable to defend herself thus opening them up to an attack?) Need I remind you of Mai Bhago? Anyway, Nihung Singhnis were always required to tie dastars. It's in their maryada. It's also in taksali maryada as well. So for both those sampardas, women are requried. And since both are supposed to be going back all the way to Guru Gobind Singh Ji's time.... also Mai Bhago was told directly by Guru Ji to tie a turban. It's also in Guru Gobind Singh Ji's 52 Hukams that everyone must tie a turban. (and it does not state only males). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhagatSingh Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Just now, Kaalka said: Great observation! Let's deny the truth for arguement's sake and say his Singhni has a turban, the fact they are in poverty is possibly to moving around due to war. His singhni may of a turban to give the impression to the enemy that there is 2 Singhs instead of a couple, this way fear is instilled within the mind of the enemy. A Khalsa war tactic. Thanks but I think that "Khalsa clearance sale, get 2 for 1 singh" explanation is BS btw. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurpreetKaur Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 8 minutes ago, CdnSikhGirl said: So you mean Singhnis can dress in skimpy clothing and show all to the world?? LOL This is news to me! I always thought modesty was expected! No I mean I was TOLD modesty is expected! Why are the sampardas (of which some of you on here are very devout to) claiming that ALL jewelry are a no no if historically Singhnis could wear 10 pounds of gold? Why is modesty preached if historically Singhnis dressed like tramps? (yes, showing your entire stomach and having barely enough fabric to cover your boobs is dressing trampy). Sorry but it is... its proven time and time again women wearing next to nothing (especially in the boobage area) creates objectification of women. In other words, if it's visible men will look and they WILL ogle. Well artist forgot to create her Boobs so I don't expect him/her to rememeber to create full stomach covered choli. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaalka Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 15 minutes ago, GurpreetKaur said: Long skirts= Lehnga you mean? Lol Yea I think before suits were discovered that was the attire. I don't know my hath is very tang in history . :( Absolutely, rarely did women wear such clothing like suits, mainly because the lack of resources. Globally women have wore lenghe-typed skirts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurpreetKaur Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 13 minutes ago, BhagatSingh said: Women have better things to do than stand around getting their pictures taken. They have better things to do. Such as taking selfies and posting them on Facebook. cook, clean, work, give birth to kids, raise them, after marriage look after husband like a baby ( since men cant look after themselves), build men's ego by giving them fake compliments and many more things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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