Secret Mantars

[MrDoaba]

I recall being told that my great-grandfather had some, what we would call supernatural, abilities. Apparently he could cure dog bites, scorpion bites and possibly snake bites too.

He did this all with secret Mantars recited under his breath along with some physical actions using various samagari.

These Mantars were never revealed and neither were their origin. Albeit children were told one had to go to the Shamshaan grounds at night to learn them, probably to sh1t them up.

And no this wasn't black magic or jadu toona. I guess it would be classed as some kind of Ridhi Sidhi as it was used for the seva of the community.

After constantly questioning my elders I found out that this practise was more widespread in the days of old. Most of the “treatments” I speak of were mainly for health related issues, anything from a tooth ache to the venomous scorpion bites mentioned above. Although, it wasn’t unheard of for people to have various other powerful Mantars such as those used to control fire and the flow of water etc.

As a youngster I was very curious and still am about this secret held by our Bazurg. As I got older I eventually concluded that these Mantars were most likely Sanatan in origin, given that various Devi Devte are attributed to specific protections.

Now before people start saying this had no place in Gurmat blah blah, understand I’m merely wanting to comprehend this in a historical and theological context. I have no interest in learning any Mantars and becoming a healer.

The point of my thread is to find out the origin of them and which if any, individual Devi Devte are associated with them along with any sakhis.

Any discussion and feedback is welcome!

[paapiman]

On 8/17/2016 at 10:02 AM, MrDoaba said:

I recall being told that my great-grandfather had some, what we would call supernatural, abilities. Apparently he could cure dog bites, scorpion bites and possibly snake bites too.

He did this all with secret Mantars recited under his breath along with some physical actions using various samagari.

Bro, are you sure the Mantars he recited were not from Gurbani? There are mantars in Gurbani, which can cure various diseases, after one has attained their Sidhi.

 

On 8/17/2016 at 10:02 AM, MrDoaba said:

These Mantars were never revealed and neither were their origin. Albeit children were told one had to go to the Shamshaan grounds at night to learn them, probably to sh1t them up.

Children were being told the truth.

There are four places, where one can attain Mantar Sidhis

• Cremation grounds
• Near Rivers
• Forests
• Caves

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[MrDoaba]

23 hours ago, paapiman said:

Bro, are you sure the Mantars he recited were not from Gurbani? There are mantars in Gurbani, which can cure various diseases, after one has attained their Sidhi.

 

Children were being told the truth.

There are four places, where one can attain Mantar Sidhis

• Cremation grounds
• Near Rivers
• Forests
• Caves

 

Bhul chuk maaf

 

Thanks for your reply bro.

I'm aware of the Mantars from Gurbani which can cure diseases from Sharda Puran Granth etc. Tbh I don't think they were from Gurbani due to the secrecy. Do you have any idea where else they could be from?

And what is the significance of these locations?

[IJJSingh]

I can understand your curiosity, because of your family connection.  However, its best to stay away from these things.  Even if one uses these powers for good, they are still anti-gurmat.  I don't have any personal experience with it, I am including below what I have heard and read.

The practice involves going to graveyards and controlling spirits through dark knowledge.  The spirits resent this practice and the practitioner cannot have any offspring (Babies are killed usually before birth.  In rare circumstances a baby survives if a saint intervenes.).  I knew a man who practiced black knowledge in India, he told me that he chose to remain single rather than ruining his wife's life.

Below are some excerpts from 'Katharian Santah' its a bigraphy of Sant Sangat Singh ji Kamaliye Wale.  Sant ji hailed from a long line of saints which included Bhai Shamu Sachayar (a famous Sikh of Guru Har Rai ji).  Bhai Seetal Das ji, Sant Sangat Singh ji's father, was a famous Sikh preacher but was also involved in dark knowledge.  As a result, Bhai Seetal Das's offspring kept dying.  Sant Sangat Singh ji was born with the blessing of Sant Sangat Das of Sachi Dahri.  Eventually, Bhai Seetal Das's death was caused by one of the spirits he controlled.  Before passing away, Bhai Seetal Das ji made Sant Sangat Singh ji promise that he will stay away from dark knowledge.  The first excerpt describes briefly how these powers are attained.  The second excerpt is about spirits trying to kill Sant Sangat Singh ji when he was a toddler.

 

 

[MrDoaba]

4 minutes ago, IJJSingh said:

I can understand your curiosity, because of your family connection.  However, its best to stay away from these things.  Even if one uses these powers for good, they are still anti-gurmat.  I don't have any personal experience with it, I am including below what I have heard and read.

The practice involves going to graveyards and controlling spirits through dark knowledge.  The spirits resent this practice and the practitioner cannot have any offspring (Babies are killed usually before birth.  In rare circumstances a baby survives if a saint intervenes.).  I knew a man who practiced black knowledge in India, he told me that he chose to remain single rather than ruining his wife's life.

Thanks for this bro. And I am staying away from these things, some scary sh1te lol, I just wanted to shed some light on what exactly he used to do.

So would what he practised be consider kala jadu? I'm not certain but aren't there sort of like Avtars for specific Ridhi Sidhi e.g some Naag deity? It's also very interesting that you mention that they do not marry as he got married rather late in life to the widow of his cousin and subsequently had only one child (my Dadi). Plus in the old days one would rarely marry so late.

Here I was thnking he was channeling the glorious Devi Devte.

Forgive my ignorance in the matter Veera, I know nothing about this particular subject.

[Xylitol]

Gurbani has everything, including mantars for health. I've met a practitioner who has such mantars, he is a natural dr, similar to a chiropracter. The rule with this particular mantar was that it only worked if he did not charge for it. he could accept donations, but not charge for his medical help. 

 

these all are in Bani as well. They come as a byproduct of kamai or you could specifically seek out different  mantars or powers etc.

[MrDoaba]

10 minutes ago, Xylitol said:

Gurbani has everything, including mantars for health. I've met a practitioner who has such mantars, he is a natural dr, similar to a chiropracter. The rule with this particular mantar was that it only worked if he did not charge for it. he could accept donations, but not charge for his medical help. 

 

these all are in Bani as well. They come as a byproduct of kamai or you could specifically seek out different  mantars or powers etc.

Yeah I found this out a few years ago Veere.

My great-grandad never used to charge for his services.

I've also heard that when one uses Gurbani to cure anothers illness etc they take on the rog themselves. Any idea why this would occur?

[paapiman]

On 8/21/2016 at 6:05 PM, MrDoaba said:

I've also heard that when one uses Gurbani to cure anothers illness etc they take on the rog themselves. Any idea why this would occur?

That does not happen every time. Gurbani can eradicate any illness, without it being transferred to the host.

Gurparsaad, will provide details later.

 

Bhul chuk maaf