paapiman Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 Warning: Sexually explicit material below. Daas will kindly request sangat, below the age of 25 or people who are greatly affected by Lust, to stay away from this discussion. Please forgive me for being explicit. Request to Mods/Admins: - Please do not allow Guest posts in this topic - Please do not tolerate any insults of Gurbani - Please do delete any off-topic posts Background Info: Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted February 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 Please read the Charitar: Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 Is the end missing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted February 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 48 minutes ago, amardeep said: Is the end missing? No. https://www.searchgurbani.com/public/dasam-granth/page/1571 Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 This charitar is suspiciosly short. It gives you an impression of "oh come on raja, you can't be that stupid??" and I think this is the message the minister is trying to give the king in the frame story.. Come on man, you can't be that stupid ?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 The Brahmin here is innocent and a man of virtue. Could it be a refereance to say that the prince is innocent and a man of virtue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 Also I think this is the first time there is such abundant praise at the virtues and beauty of a male character 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted February 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 The name of the Brahmin is ਕੰਕ. This word has the following meanings: A type of vulture Dharam raaj (as mentioned in Niddar's book too) Warrior Crane Alias for Raja Yudhister jee Hopefully, we can make some connections. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted February 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 There is a reference to twice born Brahmin in this Charitar. Please see below for details on this matter. Quote Dvija. Dvija, (Sanskrit: “twice-born”) in the Hindu social system, members of the three upper varnas, or social classes—the Brahmans (priests and teachers), Kshatriyas (warriors), and Vaishyas (merchants)—whose sacrament of initiation is regarded as a second or spiritual birth. Unquote [1] [1] - https://www.britannica.com/topic/dvija Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 He is also referred to as twice born in the first verse even though the translation omits it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 The learned man can represent a Gurmukh, He's the master of religious texts and a man of God. The woman represents Maya in this context represents the way Maya tries to snare those who are trying to (or on their way to god), the Raja is old and since the raja is at the top of the hierarchy he represents someones mind. Here Maya is attempting to ensnare the Gurmukh and the Raja is satisfied by Maya's response of why this event has occurred. She's trying to be a friend but is actually the enemy. To the Raja it seems that she's attempting to preserve the Brahmin's honour but in actuality she's out to defame him. Hence why the Raja is happy with this response. We see Maya and try to rationalise it, but that form of rationalisation of something wrong (anything in this context) is a spiritual hindrance. Rather than admit the mistake (or the incident) we attempt to make sense of it in a way to comfort us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted February 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Azrael said: To the Raja it seems that she's attempting to preserve the Brahmin's honour but in actuality she's out to defame him. How do you know that? Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted February 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 3 hours ago, paapiman said: The name of the Brahmin is ਕੰਕ. This word has the following meanings: A type of vulture Dharam raaj (as mentioned in Niddar's book too) Warrior Crane Alias for Raja Yudhister jee Hopefully, we can make some connections. Bhul chuk maaf ਕੰਕ can also mean crow. ਬ੍ਯੋਮ ਕਲਾ is the name of the woman ਬ੍ਯੋਮ can mean: Sky Water Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted February 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 The Brahmin has been falsely accused of theft in this Charitar. This is evident from the verse below. The English translation has not mentioned theft. ਜਿਨਿ ਇਨ ਚੋਰਿ ਭਖ੍ਯੋ ਕਛੂ ਸੁੰਘਨ ਹੁਤੀ ਕਪੂਰ ॥੬॥ Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted April 9, 2018 Report Share Posted April 9, 2018 Line 3 also says that the King was old. The translation also omits what the woman says to the old man. Look at the original : In line 6 she calls him a Soorma, a magnificient warrior. In line 7 it says that the old King hearing himself being called a warrior was greatly overjoyed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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