paapiman Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 Warning: Sexually explicit material below. Daas will kindly request sangat, below the age of 25 or people who are greatly affected by Lust, to stay away from this discussion. Please read the Charitar: Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tva prasad Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 The Raja from this tale would follow whatever the Rani said, just like the Raja from the original tale. The kingdom is given to the pauper and the Raja killed, this shows that the minister and Raja followed whatever the Rani said bringing about the destruction of the king, thus great sorrow befell on the kingdom. This can be related to the original tale, the minister is showing the Raja that if one follows the council of such women without question destruction befalls him and his kingdom. In the above tale, the minister follows the Rani's council without question on his part, he failed to use his intellect. However, it could be argued that he was in a tight spot and could not do much, reflecting the position of the minister from the original story. This is why the minister resorts to telling the Raja, from the original tale, many stories of deception, in this way he uses his intellect in the best interests of the king and the kingdom. The minister is explaining to the Raja that destruction is going to befall on his kingdom if he executes his son. As the Raja is old, the Rani, after his death might even marry a lowly man, as the kingdom would have no heir and she will be free to marry whomever she wishes to marry. The kingdom will be bereft of dharam and lose all order, leading to its destruction. Therefore, the minister gets the Raja to think ahead and make wise choices regarding the prince's execution. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted September 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2018 On 8/29/2018 at 4:45 AM, tva prasad said: In the above tale, the minister follows the Rani's council without question on his part, he failed to use his intellect. However, it could be argued that he was in a tight spot and could not do much, reflecting the position of the minister from the original story. This is why the minister resorts to telling the Raja, from the original tale, many stories of deception, in this way he uses his intellect in the best interests of the king and the kingdom. Maybe the wise minster of the original tale is explaining his situation to Chitar Singh via this Charitar. He cannot directly point to him that Chitar Mati is lying and is an immoral woman. He is in a tight spot. Similarly, the minster of this tale is also in a very delicate situation. Note that the queen has given reference to the curse of a Brahmin (Priest) here. People in olden times would blindly follow the Brahmins. Furthermore, she is a queen, i.e., an authoritative figure. The minister cannot afford to go against her word in this situation. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted September 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2018 Another thing to note in this Charitar is the logical flaw. Parbal Singh receives a curse from the Brahmin that he will assume the form of a pauper, which should indicate the he will be born as a pauper in this next life. So, it's going to take him years to grow up in this case. He won't magically grow up in a few moments and stand outside the kingdom as a pauper. Maybe the wise minster is trying to tell Chitar Singh that you also have performed a highly illogical act to acquire Chitar Mati. Just because she looked like your previous wife, it does not mean that she would also posses the same character as hers. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted September 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2018 Another example of a submissive husband (Parbal Singh). A submissive husband won't succeed in an ordinary life, what are the chances that he can run a successful kingdom? You guys can easily guess. ਚਾਰੁ ਚਛੁ ਤਾ ਕੀ ਤ੍ਰਿਯ ਰਹਈ ॥ ਜੋ ਵਹੁ ਕਹੈ ਸੁ ਰਾਜਾ ਕਰਈ ॥੧॥ He had a wife whose eyes were very beautiful and whatever she said Raja would do.(1) Bhul chuk maaf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted March 29, 2019 Report Share Posted March 29, 2019 This reminds me a little of Ramayan, where Raja Dasrath, on the banwas of Sri Ram Chander, dies after telling his Queens of the curse he received from the Brahmans. I think the "Brahman's" curse adds a lot of weight to the story in the charitar. The Queen says that King Parbal Singh was also cursed. Thus the Ministers did not question her further. They took the testimony of the Queen on the basis of the strength/weightage of a Brahmans word. This is also reflected in the root story. Coming back to the theme of this charitar, it says at the end that the Queen had a destitute man made King for her own whims, telling us that it is possible to destroy one's life and make another's life through elaborate words. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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