Did Jesus Worship Yahweh?

[LiquidSky]

 

 

[GurjantGnostic]

2 hours ago, LiquidSky said:

 

 

Biblically Jesus is YHWH. 

[GurjantGnostic]

Isaiah 48

16. “Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord YHWH and His Ruach [a]Have sent Me.”

 

17. Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, The Holy One of Israel: “I am the Lord your YHWH, Who teaches you to profit, Who leads you by the way you should go.

 

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah 48%3A16-17&version=NKJV

 

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/isaiah/48-16.htm

 

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/isaiah/48-17.htm

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

John 1:14
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Colossians 1:15-17

15 He is the image of the invisible YHWH, the Prototokos, over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or [a]principalities or [b]powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

From Ancient Greek πρωτο- (prōto-), combining form of πρῶτος (prôtos) "first", superlative of πρό (pró) "before".

Pro before. Protos first. Proto before first. 

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians 1%3A15-17&version=NKJV

 

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/colossians/1-15.htm

Philippians 2:6-11

New King James Version

6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it [a]robbery to be equal with God, 7 but [b]made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Revelation 19:11-15

11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. 13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in[a] blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. 15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule[b] them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.

ਕਬੁਧਿਕਰਨਤੇਲੋਕਹਟਾਇ॥੨੯॥

kabudh karan te lok haTai ||29||

“You go therefore for the spread of Dharma (righteousness) and cause people to retrace their steps from evil actions”.29.

 

Guru Gobind Singh Ji in Bachithr Naatak - 57

ਅਉਰਕਿਸੂਤੇਬੈਰਨਗਹਿਹੋਂ॥੩੧॥

aaur kis te bair na gahihau ||31||

I do not bear enmity towards anyone. 31.

 

Guru Gobind Singh Ji in Bachithr Naatak - 58

John 20:28

And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

[GurjantGnostic]

ਗੁਰਗੋਬਿੰਦੁਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁਪੂਰਾ॥

gur gobi(n)dh paarabraham pooraa ||

The Guru, the Lord of the Universe, the Supreme Lord God, is perfect.

 

Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Gauree -202

ਸਤਿਗੁਰਵਿਚਿਨਾਮੁਨਿਧਾਨੁਹੈਕਰਮਿਪਰਾਪਤਿਹੋਇ॥

satigur vich naam nidhaan hai karam paraapat hoi ||

The Treasure of the Naam is within the True Guru; by His Grace, it is obtained.

 

Guru Amar Daas Ji in Siree Raag - 88

ਅਗਮਅਗੋਚਰੁਸੁਆਮੀਅਪੁਨਾਗੁਰਕਿਰਪਾਤੇਸਚੁਧਿਆਈਜੀਉ॥੨॥

agam agochar suaamee apunaa gur kirapaa te sach dhiaaiee jeeau ||2||

By Guru's Grace, I meditate on the Inaccessible and Unfathomable True Lord. ||2||

 

Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Maajh - 101

 

ਸਚਖੰਡਿਵਸੈਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੁ॥
sach kha(n)dd vasai nira(n)kaar ||
In the realm of Truth, the Formless Lord abides.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji in Jap - 8

1k Ongkar Satgur Prasad ੴ ਸਤਿ ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ

Nirankar, Satgur Prasad. 

 

[LiquidSky]

9 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Biblically Jesus is YHWH. 

Nope. That's not what the video says. The guy in the video says Jesus was from a different god. And he said Jesus called Yahweh the Devil. In the old testament yahweh is known as a jealous god (if he was the only god, what would would he be jealous of?) Idol worship doesn't mean you worship stone or images. Idol worship means worshiping other gods, other than. 

LORD usually means Jewish god because Jews are not allowed to say their gods name. Hence also the tetragrammaton "YHWH". LORD is usually found in the old testament. 

Lord in the new testament means Jesus. 

The only reason eastern religion's resonate with Jesus is because of his compassionate nature. 

Yahweh wants blood for your sin. 

And the use of Lord in Shabad translations to english shouldn't be used and the use of the original name's should be used. 

[GurjantGnostic]

20 hours ago, LiquidSky said:

Nope. That's not what the video says. The guy in the video says Jesus was from a different god. And he said Jesus called Yahweh the Devil. In the old testament yahweh is known as a jealous god (if he was the only god, what would would he be jealous of?) Idol worship doesn't mean you worship stone or images. Idol worship means worshiping other gods, other than. 

LORD usually means Jewish god because Jews are not allowed to say their gods name. Hence also the tetragrammaton "YHWH". LORD is usually found in the old testament. 

Lord in the new testament means Jesus. 

The only reason eastern religion's resonate with Jesus is because of his compassionate nature. 

Yahweh wants blood for your sin. 

And the use of Lord in Shabad translations to english shouldn't be used and the use of the original name's should be used. 

I'll let my post stand for itself brother. 

Could you site sources for each of those claims please friend?

[GurjantGnostic]

And could you break this down for me?

[LiquidSky]

5 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

And could you break this down for me?

This is the old testament not New. 

[GurjantGnostic]

On 2/16/2024 at 1:24 AM, LiquidSky said:

This is the old testament not New. 

Yup. Care to break it down?

Brother I gave you the transliterated interlinear version to make it easy for you. 

[GurjantGnostic]

Here maybe the clarity of the text is in the way. Perhaps you prefer to hear things from dudes on youtube brother. 

 

 

 

[GurjantGnostic]

Here's from the new about Christ bro. 

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/colossians/1-15.htm

He is the Sargun of the Nirgun God, the Avtar over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, Sargun and Nirgun, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. ALL things were Karta through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

ਜੀਅਜੰਤਜਾਕੇਸਭਿਕੀਨੇਪ੍ਰਭੁਊਚਾਅਗਮਅਪਾਰਾ॥

jeea ja(n)t jaa ke sabh keene prabh uoochaa agam apaaraa ||

God created all beings and creatures; He is lofty, inaccessible and infinite.

 

Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Sorath - 630

ਬੇਦਕਤੇਬਕਹਹੁਮਤਝੂਠੇਝੂਠਾਜੋਨਬਿਚਾਰੈ॥

bedh kateb kahahu mat jhootte jhoottaa jo na bichaarai ||

Do not say that the Vedas, and the Bible are false. Those who do not contemplate them are false.

 

Bhagat Kabeer Ji in Raag Prabhaatee - 1350

[GurjantGnostic]

I get it brother. Christians, so-called Christians, have done a lot of things with the Bible to make people hate Jesus. I get it bro. But it has you in a state where you're not really making arguments, you're making unsubstantiated claims brother, ignoring all arguments, and applying emotion and confirmation bias only. 

The text, the only text, that we can hold Christians to, is the Bible brother. Like The Vedas, it is determined in Gurbani to be not false, it is however not corrected to the extent The Vedas are. 

And if we are being honest, in both texts there is nothing to say that the all-powerful God could not come here in a human body to accomplish something as part of their story in Khel. 

We have multiple of our own accounts of the Angel of the Lord themself coming here to do things. 

Now a Sikh could forget the Bible is real and never ever ever know about anything abrahamic and do just fine. 

But what is not appropriate for a Sikh to do brother is in rejection of our own scripture and the clear scripture of the Bible, is to be Antichrist, and to make extremely unsubstantiated claims. 

And I get it bro people are a little bit hurt feelings, and they may not be familiar with the text, so you might just not have known, but when presented with the facts brother you don't want to know. You want to continue on in the same ignorance and bias that you had, flagrantly turning your nose up at not only the Bible bro but Gurbani. 

 

[LiquidSky]

On 2/17/2024 at 4:52 PM, GurjantGnostic said:

Yup. Care to break it down?

Brother I gave you the transliterated interlinear version to make it easy for you. 

Im not biblically versed but I merely looked at Yahweh's character and Jesus's character and two dont seem the same. I'm just going by history and a lot of Jewish people dont like Jesus because in their eyes he had commited blasphemy. In the video the guys quoted saying, "If God were your father you would love me......"

Personally I am a beliver of multiple god's. Even Jews in the past used to believe in multiple god's but they now believe in One God but this doesnt mean other God's dont exist. This is why Yahweh is a jealous. Yahweh in the biblical canon wants to be the only one to be worshipped.

 

[LiquidSky]

 

[LiquidSky]

 

[GurjantGnostic]

Brother it might not seem like it to you in your knee jerk emotional posting but you're talking about the only God period. 

Nowhere in Gurmat does it say that the god of the Bible is not Vaheguru Akal Purakh. 

You're lighting yourself on fire bro. 

[GurjantGnostic]

23 hours ago, LiquidSky said:

Im not biblically versed but I merely looked at Yahweh's character and Jesus's character and two dont seem the same. I'm just going by history and a lot of Jewish people dont like Jesus because in their eyes he had commited blasphemy. In the video the guys quoted saying, "If God were your father you would love me......"

Personally I am a beliver of multiple god's. Even Jews in the past used to believe in multiple god's but they now believe in One God but this doesnt mean other God's dont exist. This is why Yahweh is a jealous. Yahweh in the biblical canon wants to be the only one to be worshipped.

 

So un exhibit 1 we have you siding with Hindus and contradicting Gurbani. 

23 hours ago, LiquidSky said:

 

Exhibit 2 you attack your own God. 

23 hours ago, LiquidSky said:

 

Exhibit 3 you attack your own God. 

Sikhi does not beleive in multiple Gods. It beleives in one God and many beings confused with God. It states that all religions speaking of Karta Purakh are speaking of the same God. Gurbani validates the followers of the Bible are in the Lord's Sanctuary. Gurbani affirms the Bible as not false. Gurbani does not correct the Bible as it does the Vedas. 

 

[GurjantGnostic]

What made you think contradicting Guru Saibhan, Gurbani, and attacking Karta Purakh was a good idea?

[LiquidSky]

Where is your mind gone? Im not entertaining you. I dont worship a psychopath.

Did you know that Your God Yahweh kills babies? What have the babies done?

You claim to be a Gnostic but youre the first Gnostic that believes in mainstream Christainty. Im sorry Yahweh is not my lord. Neither is Lord used in Gurbani. "Attack my own God", give me a break.

"exhibit 1, exhibit 2, exhibit 3"? You have issues.

 

 

[GurjantGnostic]

On 2/19/2024 at 11:30 AM, LiquidSky said:

Where is your mind gone? Im not entertaining you. I dont worship a psychopath.

Did you know that Your God Yahweh kills babies? What have the babies done?

You claim to be a Gnostic but youre the first Gnostic that believes in mainstream Christainty. Im sorry Yahweh is not my lord. Neither is Lord used in Gurbani. "Attack my own God", give me a break.

"exhibit 1, exhibit 2, exhibit 3"? You have issues.

 

 

Brother you're not getting mad at me you're getting mad at The Guru Saibhan.  

Brother you're not getting mad at me you're getting mad at The Guru Saibhan. 

Brother you're not getting mad at me you're getting mad at The Guru Saibhan. 

...

The message is clear brother that Allah is Vaheguru Akal Purakh. 

That Bhagwan is Akal Purakh. 

We claim there is only 1 Creator that anyone has been speaking of...

The Muslims who have made the name Allah famous claimed that this is Jehovah bro. 

Everyone that had anything to do with this until your dumbass said that this is the same God bro. 

Brother you owe us and most importantly Akal Purakh an apology actually. 

[GurjantGnostic]

Brother you literally just said I had mental issues for substantiating my points in a clear fashion. 

Is Akal Allah?

Is Allah YHWH?

Please let me know which Langar you donated your apology to bro. 

[GurjantGnostic]

ਅਲਾਹੁਅਲਖੁਅਗੰਮੁਕਾਦਰੁਕਰਣਹਾਰੁਕਰੀਮੁ॥

alaahu alakh aga(n)m kaadhar karanahaar kareem ||

He is Allah, the Unknowable, the Inaccessible, All-powerful and Merciful Creator.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji in Siree Raag - 64ਏਕੋਅਲਹੁਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ॥੫॥੩੪॥੪੫॥

eko alahu paarabraham ||5||34||45||

The Muslim God Allah and the Hindu God Paarbrahm are one and the same. ||5||34||45||

ਕਹੁਨਾਨਕਗੁਰਿਖੋਏਭਰਮ॥

kahu naanak gur khoe bharam ||

Says Nanak, the Guru has rid me of doubt.

Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Raamkalee - 897

[GurjantGnostic]

Or here try approaching it from this side of the mountain brother, name all the Islamic prophets please and then tell me from where do they originate textually? I mean both these things I when I say them bro, one I love you, two I expect you to tell me which charity you donated to for being retarded. 

[GurjantGnostic]

Question bro you were born into this?

[GurjantGnostic]

What happened to the rabbi skin color?

And could you ask him the religious significance of hiding your face when you run furtively from an underground sewer tunnel secret entrance to a cave that has baby mattresses in it please?