Some obstacles on my spiritual journey

[PCSJZ]

Wjkk wjkf

Just wanted to share some of my experiences/issues I have faced on my journey on this path. Maybe others have faced similar, maybe this can help others or responses may help me.

Judging others - this has been a big weakness of mine. Not so much friends but more family, especially those who also do sangat. Even though I was taught from day one not to look left or right and just focus on myself, I got caught up in exactly that. Maybe due to family issues, I would start to judge people on what they were doing. I couldnt understand how someone could gain spiritual gifts despite doing some of the stuff they were doing. I would then compare that with myself and think ‘Im better than that person yet they appear more advanced on their journey’ This is a big weakness of mine and something I have and still am working very hard to overcome.

Teacher - In the past, way before I started this journey, I lacked some self confidence. My relationship with my folks was tricky, a lot of give and take. I grew up feeling that I probably didnt get the love i wanted so when anyone else showed me affection, I doubted their intentions and thought they had an ulterior motive. Whilst I dont think my teacher has a motive, Ive often felt that he doesnt like me. No real reason for this but its an old problem and has stretched to various important people in my life. I know this isnt true of him as a Gurmukh has no hate for anyone but just another example of how our mind can go wild with thoughts.

Waheguru - same as above. Believe it or not there have been many times when I have though Waheguru also does not like me. Especially when as above others mention their experiences and I then get down myself. I think I’m trying so hard yet I’m not progressing as fast as I want. I also know that they key is to enjoy the journey. Put in the effort and leave the rest to Waheguru. He isnt unfair and is always watching and listening.

These are just some of the issues I have faced, may add more when I can think of them. Anyone else feel free to add tour own experiences. 
 

Hopefully I will be able to look back at this one day and smile because I have come out the other end.

Wjkk Wjkf.

[Soulfinder]

@PCSJZ Excellent thread veer ji. I will write my experiences very soon as you have posted some very good points 

[PCSJZ]

So last week I started getting amrit ras. My mouth was sweet all week. I was so happy I cant explain as I’ve wanted this for so long. I checked with mu teacher who confirmed it was amrit ras. To make sure that nothing goes wrong, I increased my bhagti time, started waking up even earlier and generally started putting in more effort. 
 

Now this week, since sunday, nothing, all taste gone. I’ve been thinking all weekend what have I done wrong, why is it gone but cant make any sense of it. To say I’m upset, deflated or even heartbroken is probably an understatement.  I was so happy when I finally got the taste, I just feel completely deflated now. If I had done something wrong to lose it then I would understand but I started putting in even more effort..

[Kaur10]

I am far behind this stage but what I understood from one of the videos of Premanand Maharaj Ji is WAHEGURU gives us glimpse or taste (Amrit Ras in your case) of bhagti’s anand and then remove it, then we have to work harder in order to earn it. 
Spiritual journey is not as easy as it looks. 
Bhul Chuk Maaf! 

[PCSJZ]

Yep Ive heard similar on another video too.

I guess because I tried so hard for it and then finally got it, I was so happy. I cant actually say in words the joy I felt. Then in order not to lose it, I started trying even harder in my bhagti. Then all of a sudden its just gone. How then do I convince myself that Waheguru still wants me follow the bhagti path. Gurbani says Waheguru loves us all. I believe that but in my disheartened state I can’t seem to convince myself thats its true.

In my original (1st) post above I spoke about some of my obstacles and them exact thoughts have flooded my mind again. When he is inside listening and watching everything. He knows how much I craved for this ras, to then take it away and watch my state, how is that a loving father?

Bhul chuk maaf.

[PCSJZ]

Read old posts on this forum and there are members that didnt even want amrit ras and still got it. Some didnt even like the taste and wanted it gone. They lost it and then got it again. I wanted it so badly though and its taken away. How am I supposed to make any sense of that?

I never expected bhagti path to be easy. I never expected something to be given and taken away for no reason either.

[Soulfinder]

@PCSJZveer ji it's terrible that you have lost the Amrit ras as it's a very hard state of Simran to be blessed with. Dass would suggest that you should do Ardas Benti to Guru Sahib Ji for getting the stage of Amrit ras again. Then hopefully Waheguru Guru Sahib will do kirpa on you.

 

[ImReal]

21 hours ago, PCSJZ said:

Read old posts on this forum and there are members that didnt even want amrit ras and still got it. Some didnt even like the taste and wanted it gone. They lost it and then got it again. I wanted it so badly though and its taken away. How am I supposed to make any sense of that?

I never expected bhagti path to be easy. I never expected something to be given and taken away for no reason either.

Bhagti is the path of Love. Real Bhagti is the path of the Lover/ Spiritual Warrior. What matters the most is Love. Experiences come and go, it's normal- they come to show us that we're on the right path and to keep going. The Bhagti (Lovers) path never ends- it continues into eternity. The Gyan is in Guru Granth Sahib Ji- the words/ Teachings in it came straight from our Gurus mouths. When you read it, see which Guru has written the passage you read and believe that it's them there in that moment- teaching you personally- speaking the words to you. When you think of the Satgurus- they sense it and their presence is with you. They never actually died- they just continued and are still around. 

You're not alone, we are not alone. God runs through our veins, His power/ Being is what wakes us up in the morning, keeps our heart beating, He's our food, our water, the trees, the earth. He's all pervading and we only exist, live, breathe by His Grace. Without Him the Khel would shut down. We delude ourselves and ignore this fact/ His Presence- although Gurbani clearly teaches us this. Accept that He is everyone, everything, everywhere, He's every word said by everyone, every thought, action and you'll feel more at peace. He is the King, Lord and Master of this earth and all humans in it- noone can override this fact. So bow and Love Him. Serve Him with the naam- by applying Gurbani to your everyday practical life- being a good soul, doing bandgi and good deeds.

Don't be upset, have faith and keep going- He's is there and sees you, I assure you. God bless you.

[GurbarAkaal]

On 5/7/2024 at 11:32 AM, PCSJZ said:

I was so happy when I finally got the taste, I just feel completely deflated now. If I had done something wrong to lose it then I would understand but I started putting in even more effort.. ">">

Dearest veer, what you experienced was just a sign of his kirpa, not the end goal. Just like driving to the beach as the road twists and turns you see momentary glimpses of the ocean through gaps in the tree. Sweet taste in the mouth is a sign of being on the right track. There are many other signs too like hearing sounds, smelling perfume type scent, seeing flashes of light, meeting sant mahapurkh in dreams, visions of higher realms, randomly getting moments of huge anand. 

These things while beautiful, remember they are just positive signs of you being on the right path. The actual kirpa he wishes to give you is some far greater still, it’s agam, akaal, apaar, alakh… Because it’s merging you back into him.

blessings jee!

[PCSJZ]

On 5/10/2024 at 10:09 AM, ImReal said:

Bhagti is the path of Love. Real Bhagti is the path of the Lover/ Spiritual Warrior. What matters the most is Love. Experiences come and go, it's normal- they come to show us that we're on the right path and to keep going. The Bhagti (Lovers) path never ends- it continues into eternity. The Gyan is in Guru Granth Sahib Ji- the words/ Teachings in it came straight from our Gurus mouths. When you read it, see which Guru has written the passage you read and believe that it's them there in that moment- teaching you personally- speaking the words to you. When you think of the Satgurus- they sense it and their presence is with you. They never actually died- they just continued and are still around. 

You're not alone, we are not alone. God runs through our veins, His power/ Being is what wakes us up in the morning, keeps our heart beating, He's our food, our water, the trees, the earth. He's all pervading and we only exist, live, breathe by His Grace. Without Him the Khel would shut down. We delude ourselves and ignore this fact/ His Presence- although Gurbani clearly teaches us this. Accept that He is everyone, everything, everywhere, He's every word said by everyone, every thought, action and you'll feel more at peace. He is the King, Lord and Master of this earth and all humans in it- noone can override this fact. So bow and Love Him. Serve Him with the naam- by applying Gurbani to your everyday practical life- being a good soul, doing bandgi and good deeds.

Don't be upset, have faith and keep going- He's is there and sees you, I assure you. God bless you.

This bought a tear to my eye.. but in a good way. Thank you for this.

[Kaur10]

17 hours ago, GurbarAkaal said:

Dearest veer, what you experienced was just a sign of his kirpa, not the end goal. Just like driving to the beach as the road twists and turns you see momentary glimpses of the ocean through gaps in the tree. Sweet taste in the mouth is a sign of being on the right track. There are many other signs too like hearing sounds, smelling perfume type scent, seeing flashes of light, meeting sant mahapurkh in dreams, visions of higher realms, randomly getting moments of huge anand. 

These things while beautiful, remember they are just positive signs of you being on the right path. The actual kirpa he wishes to give you is some far greater still, it’s agam, akaal, apaar, alakh… Because it’s merging you back into him.

blessings jee!

Very well explained

[ImReal]

On 5/12/2024 at 9:29 PM, PCSJZ said:

This bought a tear to my eye.. but in a good way. Thank you for this. ">

It's okay. He's always with us and is always aware of your efforts and love (All Knowing). No Bhagti goes in vain, everything is accounted for as much as we may not realise it. He Is us. God bless you.