Guest Javanmard Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 There are some messed people among us as well... No need to say what some BAbbar Khalsas and other idiots did in the 80s to innocent civilians and let's not even mention the bombing of airplanes. Evil is everywhere... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sikh_fauge Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 ^ agree, and with the main post, disgusting!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mehtab Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 There are some messed people among us as well... No need to say what some BAbbar Khalsas and other idiots did in the 80s to innocent civilians and let's not even mention the bombing of airplanes. Evil is everywhere...The Babbars included people like Shaheed Bhai Sukhdev Singh Babbar who are known to have practiced naam simran for as long as 24 hours. There were people like Shaheed Bhai Mengha Singh Babbar who was the first shaheed of Operation Bluestar. He was a Singh who got shot in his head, and when asked how he was doing, he simply replied Chardi Kala. Also, there were Hindus as well who took Amrit and joined the Babbars, and some even attained shaheedi. One was a Brahmin family from Patiala whose 7 sons took Amrit, became Babbars and attained shaheedi. So it wouldn't be right to label an entire group as bad. But then again, every group was infiltrated by agents and thats what caused the movement to go downhill. And yea...the news article posted is blood boiling !!!! :evil: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 and of course... clearly they're guilty of bombing planes...why?? cuz SHAKA SEZ SO! (p.s...theyt have yet to be found guilty... damn, eh?) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mehtab Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 (p.s...theyt have yet to be found guilty... damn, eh?)Guilty until proven innocent! sadly! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 and of course... clearly they're guilty of bombing planes...why?? cuz SHAKA SEZ SO! (p.s...theyt have yet to be found guilty... damn, eh?) Lets say they are not guilty One of accused were named-shamed in the court for a having a affair with the lady while living a gristh jeevan...yeah lets all praise for his bahudari... looks very promising role model typasvi, naam japan walie gurmukh...lets pursue akal takth jathedar to give him siropa... :roll: why org they belong to doesnt clean up their internal problems now?? They all go point fingers at sant/mahapursh dera's (taksal, rara sahib, nanaksar) and dodra accused them of being affilated with man who did sexual assault...what happen now??..quite suprising you feel quite sympathy instead of pointing out their bad apples otherwise it doesnt quite look good on the organization as whole does it? 2nd hate monger- Mr Ajaib Singh Bagri openly made a comment in New york. To kill 50,000 hindus before taking deep breath. Doesnt matter if he blew air india or not. He made that threat.....thats what you call fanatic..some of katarpanthis called that "BIR RAS"... Vah Ji Vah..barri guru nanak dev nirankar dii sikh kaaama liii tusi.. :roll: ..i m sure mehtab veer ji seen that video too...50,000 hindus...bloody hell man... is he some next hilter or something? :shock: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mehtab Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh i m sure mehtab veer ji seen that video too...50,000 hindus...bloody hell man... is he some next hilter or something? :shock:Hanji I did see that video and it almost threw me off my chair!! I don't know if that was "BIR RAS" or what, but still its not a proper statement and I am not vouching for Bagri. I am not voting for any particular group either. My only point is that just because of a few bad apples its improper to label an entire group as evil and forget how many Panthic dushts they sorted out. As far as Bagri's statement is concerned, here is one scenario that comes to mind. Say person A and B get into an argument, and A threatens to kill B. Later on some third person called person C finds out, and uses this opportunity and kills B. Now who will be blamed? Obviously A because he has openly threatened to kill B! And C goes scott free! This is what I am presuming. Someone claimed to kill a huge number of people of a particular community, and MAY BE someone else used this statement/event and went ahead and did what they had to do, leaving the one who was loud enough to be the one blamed. This is just an assumption. Also, nothing solid has been proved yet against the 2 Singhs. bhul chuk maaf waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh ps : The topic has moved from a few sadistic American troops to Babbars. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawrof Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh! lets cut the hypocrisy! many "innocent" people died pre and post 1984. Sure people were bought out by the "government" (etc etc..) but if you guys really have love or compassion, think of those poor young guys who sat there with images of their sisters being raped, brothers being killed....while we were out here in the west peacefully playing soccer, watching tv, (drinking...for those of you drank)...... many don't have the balls for vengeance. If these innocent elements of our past are "terrorists"...what about those sikhs in guru tegh bahadur's time who tore down mosques? what about bhai mehtaab singh (how is he a hero)? how about baba bibi chand (how is he a hero)?..... lets cut the cybermachismo! many of you don't have what it takes to do what many of the "shaheeds" did. Many of you won't ever fight for khalistan, and honestly...many of you talk way too much about that stuff.... get good jobs, focus on smiling and being a good citizen of your country and then...be intelligent and act in a way so that no one has an excuse to call you "terrorist"...just remember, with guruji's saroop, you are representing people like me as well....innocent people who may get backlashes from emotional decisions....always think of the less hearty unless you have been hurt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sikh_fauge Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 excellent post drawof!! couldnt of said it better myself!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Sukhdev SIngh Babbar? mmmh wasn't he the one who had tow wives? I find it quite sad that there are still people in our community who either support India's police terrorism or support terrorist groups that practise the same type of violence. Congress, Babbars, BJP, SGPC, RSS.... all the same vampires who drink innocent blood from people who just want to be left in peace and get on with REAL life!!! Just like this poor woman! Just think of the thousands of women raped by the Indian police and the terrorist groups that claim to be so chardi kala!!! I can't believe that there are people out there who find it ok to support groups that have killed and raped innocent women when this is totally forbidden in our faith (kurimar, narimar). Be it Indian police, Babbars, RSS: it's the same crime! Let them all burn in hell for that!!!We'll see how much simran they'll do there!!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sikh_fauge Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 lol@ simran in hell! so true :twisted: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sardar Moderator Singh Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Shaka Nyori, please elaborate upon your assertions concerning Sukhdev Singh Babbar...not too long ago, you were party to discussions supporting polygamy, so to avoid confusion, perhaps you could clarify your statement and expand. In terms of the pointing fingers, let us present actual events that have occurred, if it is "suspicions", then present these accordingly citing the source (Newspaper, Magazine, Organisation, Jatha...), a case not having been resolved does not prevent discussion of it's progress to date, if done sensibly -something I trust we can achieve here... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mehtab Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh shaka, its a documented fact that the Indian authorities have done a good job to malign the name of Shaheed Bhai Sukhdev Singh Babbar. Congress, Babbars, BJP, SGPC, RSSYou are comparing totally different organizations here. Other than the Babbars, the others are "government sponsored terrorists". The only reason Babbars are called the same is because their fight was against the government in power. Guru Hargobind Jee and Guru Gobind Singh Jee were fugitives for the Mughals. Shaheed Bhagat Singh and Shaheed Udham Singh were traitors for the British empire. The Babbars, similarly, are kharkoos for the Indian government. Times have changed, names have changed, governments in power have changed, but the struggle-filled spirit of the Khalsa is the same! Just think of the thousands of women raped by the Indian police and the terrorist groups that claim to be so chardi kala!!!The funny thing is that none of the genuine freedom fighting groups ever claimed responsibility and actually condemned these acts. I can't believe that there are people out there who find it ok to support groups that have killed and raped innocent women when this is totally forbidden in our faith (kurimar, narimar).So is to not raise the sword in the face of oppression (as a last option). Be it Indian police, Babbars, RSS: it's the same crime!No. The only "crime" of the Babbars was that they were Sikhs who fought against the attrocities committed on the Sikhs. The Indian police was doing their job of oppressing, and the RSS as we know is bent on proving Sikhs to be Hindus, not to mention how badly they are and will fail. Let them all burn in hell for that!!!We'll see how much simran they'll do there!!!!I don't think anyone here can foresee who went where after death. And just to let you know, the ones who have actually seen the afterlife and written about it (like Bhaisahib Bhai Randhir Singh) were freedom fighters themselves. The difference was that they were dealing with the British who were somewhat less barbaric as compared to the rulers of India in the 80s, and so they didn't really have to "sort out" Panthic dushts as the Babbars did. And as for hell, thats reserved for these very same dushts. waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Strange you mention "Bhai" Randhir Singh because as far as I remember he was fighting for a free India not Khalistan!!! Babbar Khalsa, if you don't know already is a terrorist organisation banned by the anti-terrorist laws that came after 9/11. Interesting how fanatic Wahabis claim that al Qaeda are "freedo fighters" who fight against Western attrocities and how you, Mehtab SIngh are supporting Babbar with the same argument. Depending on the Western country you are your support might be seen as an illegal activity!!! Please don't tell me that the CIA and MI6 are lying about Babbar Khalsa, that would just be a joke!!! you guys make me laugh!!! You kill whole families, old Nihangs and behave the same way as the Indian police and then go all mad when someone eats chicken!!! OOOo don't eat chicken SIngh it's paap!!! but killing innocents in the name of Khalistan or Pakhandistan is OK for you!!! You guys are not better than the Indian police and don't give me that whole freedom fighter bs because no one with two brain cells believes it!!! You guys have nothing to do with the great Shahids like Baba Deep Singh or Bhai Mani Singh!!! We Sikhs have been fooled and betrayed not only by the Indian government but also by so-called "freedom fighters" who have given a bad name to Sikhi!!! One day the real Panth of Guru Gobind Singh (yeah the real Panth not these stupid little groups) will arise and all you "freedom-to-kill-innocent-people" fighters will join Indira Gandhi in hell!!! The day will come when the Sikhs shall be distinct from the Sukhdev-Singh-panthis and the world will realise the lies that have been fed to whole generations of SIkhs. Akaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal Shahan Shahan Shah Guru Gobind Singh, the Face of Truth and Infaillibility with whom no other mortal can be compared!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawrof Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 ik oankar hukam sat(i) sri waheguru ji ki fateh! pyaryo, gurmukho, manmukho, sonfeeyo, amleeyo, mahapurkho! I am not going to quote gurbani or even bhai gurdas ji's varaan and even act like I have a comprehension as these are people whose life emmanated what I lack... but I will point out a "gist" that I think shoudl be pointed out.......... for all those people who have been on one bandwagon or another, and who have taken great qurbanian.....do you see the ilaahi noor on their faces...because khalsa ji....until we see gurmukh khalsay...who love their fellow human beings and can see akal de gun in EVERY human, and not just singhs/kaurs/punjabi's etc.......... a time, mindset where guru ji is realised because we "feel"/and intuitivey know god is around us......pyarayo.....until that time, we are all khulasa......don't mind me, and if you don't from your heart...you know my intention is pure. If you do mind me, it is an attestation that we are still in kalyug, and are bogged by tribalistic mentalities....... gorakh naath, gave earings as his "bhekh" guru sahib gave us all of nature and the quintessence of life.... lets live it and actually be gursikhs satnaaam sri waheguru sahib jio 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mehtab Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Strange you mention "Bhai" Randhir Singh because as far as I remember he was fighting for a free India not Khalistan!!! Why the Bhai in quotes? You have doubts that he was a pooran GurSikh? You have made ur entire argument pointless right in the beginning, sorry to say. Babbar Khalsa, if you don't know already is a terrorist organisation banned by the anti-terrorist laws that came after 9/11.Unfortunately the laws don't apply to BNP/NF of UK and KKK in USA. It applies to Babbars because they went against the government thats America's pet (the Indian government). The Hindustan Socialist Association started by shaheed bhagat singh was the same for the British. But today Indians are proud of it. The same shall someday be true for these Singhs. Interesting how fanatic Wahabis claim that al Qaeda are "freedo fighters" who fight against Western attrocities and how you, Mehtab SIngh are supporting Babbar with the same argument.I have mentioned in 2 of my initial posts that I am not vouching for any group. Also I have said that a few bad apples being the reason to label an entire group is irrational and immature. Plus the Wahabis u refer to believe in killing themselves as well as 50 other innocents. For them anyone belonging to a set of beliefs different to their own is an enemy. I don't think u read my post about Hindus joining Babbars as well. What was their interest? Why did they have to do it? They had all of Hindu India for them, so why bother about Khalistan for Sikhs? Think again dear one! if Babbars were all that hateful killers, i doubt that wud be the case. Depending on the Western country you are your support might be seen as an illegal activity!!! Please don't tell me that the CIA and MI6 are lying about Babbar Khalsa, that would just be a joke!!!The CIA admits it trained saddam and osama...it has been said publicly on the news...so now are they themselves making a fool of themselves? by the way i never heard of an organization called M16..i thought it was a machine gun... you guys make me laugh!!!dunno bout others but its my nature to do that...and i m glad u laughed... You kill whole families, old Nihangs and behave the same way as the Indian policeAgain as i said...the groups were heavily infiltrated by agents...some of them who were totally rehitdhari and nitnemi...it was impossible to believe they could be traitors...if they do stuff like that, how can u call the genuine ones who started out as proper freedom fighters as evil? and then go all mad when someone eats chicken!!! OOOo don't eat chicken SIngh it's paap!!!i never stopped u from eating chicken, did i? u are free to eat anything u want...unfortunately i dont own a fast food joint or i'd have invited u myself personally... but killing innocents in the name of Khalistan or Pakhandistan is OK for you!!!innocents like vaidya, lalit makhan, indra gandhi? oh ok...maybe i read the wrong history...well they got what they asked for...the Sikh history i read makes it clear that anyone who desecrated darbar sahib was avenged...but oh well...all dont hold the same regard for darbar sahib sadly... You guys are not better than the Indian police and don't give me that whole freedom fighter bs because no one with two brain cells believes it!!!that makes the entire Sikh contribution towards the Indian freedom struggle look like a big joke. You ready to back that up? And the brain has a lot more cells to see right from wrong. It is unfortunate that some people want to follow the government propaganda against Sikhs and make martyrs look like terrorists and many fall prey to it. You guys have nothing to do with the great Shahids like Baba Deep Singh or Bhai Mani Singh!!!And u are no one to decide that. We Sikhs have been fooled and betrayed not only by the Indian government but also by so-called "freedom fighters" who have given a bad name to Sikhi!!!True...it goes on a lot in western countries... One day the real Panth of Guru Gobind Singh (yeah the real Panth not these stupid little groups) will arise and all you "freedom-to-kill-innocent-people" fighters will join Indira Gandhi in hell!!!Thanks for the ninda...thanx for ur concern bout me going to hell, but isn't that Guruji's business to save His Sikhs? also, what makes u think the panth right now is not real? how and who are u to say its fake? The day will come when the Sikhs shall be distinct from the Sukhdev-Singh-panthis and the world will realise the lies that have been fed to whole generations of SIkhs.or is it the lies that are being fed now by condemning the shaheeds to cover up something else? lemme not go there... are u always like this? i was told that the day u get bothered will never come...sadly i proved it wrong...oh well...we all have our own drawbacks, don't we? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palm_w1 Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 bahadar, i don't know wether sukhdev singh babber had 2 wives or not, perhaps u cud post ur sources however going by your comments in other threads if he did it should be whole heartedly supported by you. you seem malign the whole babber group because a small minority of its members may have committed terrorist acts (i don't neccesarily think sukhdev singh carried out these attacks). You specifically accuse them of rape. how do the actions of a few babbars make the whole group rotten, especially when the others seem to condmen these actions. Please refrain from using the actions of a few to push forward your anti - babber propoganda. This would be akin to someone making the comment that for example all nihungs are rapists due to the actions of one certian notorious nihung. Does it not matter that all the others condemn him? Also i would like to see your proof that the babber movement had an organised campaign of rape etc as you claim. regarding mi6 and the cia classing babbers as terrorists, it wouldn't be the first time they have lied to 'mould' intelligence around foreign policy (iraq and weapons of mass destruction come to mind). Also where is the evidence the intelligence services (other than indian) have classed these groups as terrorist. it is the us/british governments that carried out the classification, and in my opinion it was at the behest of the indian government so certain countries could increase bilateral trade and security contracts. You make the statement 'You kill whole families .......'. Who exactly here has done this. I would like to know and i am sure the authorities would to. again please stop labelling people just because they have certain ideologies not in tune with yours. and furthermore i don't really care if mans eat chicken or not, do whatever (within the law), but when u make accusations of group wide organised rape etc please back them up. please try and avoid emotions and quote rational facts rather than regurgitating indian govt propoganda and making blanket generalisations. considering you have a teaching position in a university of considerable world prestige it shouldn't be too difficult to differentiate fact from propoganda. p.s. don't take this as a personal attack, i have respect for your knowledge but from this thread and others you seem to use emotion to get your views across rather than fact. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Moderator note: <------ This is general message for all the participants-----> Ok! We will close this thread once “shaka Nyorai†responds to this thread because questions have been posted for him. We will not allow any open discussion on banned organization at all anymore. If you have concerns about them then please talk to CIA and F.B.I and let them be aware of your views and they will be more than happy to assist you. Anyone who will participate in any discussions related to any organization, which has been banned and declared as terrorist org will not be tolerated. We will provide their IP addresses to law enforcement if we requested to do so… You can discuss them in your private box… 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mehtab Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Fine! Have your last word and close this thread. How fair! Didn't know a few facts could bother so much. And no I aint scared if thats what the warning was intended for as I have said plain and clear and repeatedly that I am not supporting any group anywhere. Jis Da Sahib Dhadha Howe, Tis Nu Maar Na Sakke Koy. Victory on an online forum does not guarantee victory in the dargar of Akal Purkh and thats what matters. <EDITED BY MEHTAB SINGH >. Funny how I was the one keeping cool inspite of being "condemned to hell" and the warnings are also issued against me. Well done! I understand your legal concerns regarding certain banned organizations, but no one is here supporting them, only questioning an individual's supposedly false statements about them, not to forget a shameful show of hypocrisy by pointing out a Shaheed Singh as having 2 wives, yet the member himself being a supporter of polygamy in another thread (this too was pointed out by other members and not me). If that goes against your freedom of speech policy, thats just too bad. I am just too surprised and didn't expect this at a forum that claims to be following a "live and let live" motto giving "freedom of speech" to all, rather blames other "fanatic" forums for being hardliners. anyways no hard feelings from my side Gurujee bless you all and good luck sorry for expressing myself using the "freedom of speech" priviledge. <EDITED BY MEHTAB SINGH>. bhul chuk maaf if I sounded like a moorakh coz thats what I am waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh ps : <EDITED BY MEHTAB SINGH> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Moderator Note: Your truth is still on the forum so don't worry about loosing it. If you really want to prove Babbars right then go ahead talk to authorities the ones has banned this org not here. We have given general warning which can be seen clearly but as people have nature of twisting words and keep going so we can't help there. Please, take your truth to proper authorities so whole panth can benefit. Proving someone wrong on this forum will not make any difference but proving your "Babbar" right in front of those authorities might show "good" side of them. And your freedom of speech is still there and most of the members with sane mind will be able to see it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukdev Singh Jhamka Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh veerji mehtab singh ji and others, dnt worry about the mods and their best mates on here condeming everyone even those who gave their all to the Khalsa Panth. ppl can slander Gursikhs the whole movement that meant so much to so many ppl that is changed their lives and through their shaheedis they came into sikhi. no one gets a warning, yet when u question their best mate to provide proof apart from the usual indian newspapers u get labbled as a BABBAR, how stupid can that be. this is the reason i dnt post on here any more why argue with such closed minds, but i felt ur pain veerji i too was where u were, but hell theirs aload of Chardi Kala Gursikhs around and Sants Like Baba Jagit Singh Harkowale who spoke about Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa in such a loving way thats what we need not part timers on the net take care sukdev singh Moderator's Note: We NOT talking about Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa Bhindranwale but talking about "Babbars" and their contributions in killing of innocent hindu/humans on their revenge of so called "Khalistan". Second Moderator Note: Sukdev Singh, stop whining again. You were not there at the time it was happening so stop becoming representative of 1984 blue star operation and what happened there. If anyone who is interested in knowing the truth they can ask the local population in India and find out what was happening. They don't need a U.K born young Sikh to tell them what happened in India when in fact this kid never been to India. And stop twisting words like your fellow above. Where in moderator note you saw Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale? Be on mute mode and it keeps you in good shape. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Just to refresh the memory of our local "Babbar-is-so-cool" group: 1. A nice little document from the Home Office just in case you guys had forgotten about waht Babbar Khalsa and ISYF are: http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/terrorism/threat/groups/ BBK and ISYF are quoted alongside al Qaeda and CO.! All just a lie? I am not sure! Why would it be true for Al Qaeda and not for BBK and ISYF? Biased propaganda from our "Babbar-is-so-cool" group? Probably! 2. Oh as if this wasn't enough! Damn the Canadian government as well: http://www.psepc-sppcc.gc.ca/national_secu.../Entities_e.asp OK, so according to our "Babbar-is-so-cool" group the Uk and Canada are lying! 3. Oh My GOOOD! Now the USA as well?!?!? http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display..../wf-latest.html Not a single Indian source!!! 4. Now we need to be rational: why are these "Sikh" groups not terrorists while the Islamic "groups" are? They all claim to fight for freedom! Even Bin Laden is aclaimed as a "freedom fighter" by some extremists. Does that mean it's true? you guys and your double standards.... Please note the fact that I did not use Indian intelligence sources as I don't trust them myself!!! 5. Sukhdev SIngh had a farla and by Nihang maryada he deserved to die for usurping a position that he did not deserve as he WAS NOT an Akali! The reason why I a mentioned him having two wives is that AKJ and others get so mad when someone talks about polygamy but their own members pracise it themselves but it's kept secret! Double standards. If Sukhdev Singh had two wives good for him! 6. Now some people will say: but not all Babbars and AKJ are bad! Let's suppose some were "good" people among them (as in they haven't killed or raped any innocent)! It's worse because by staying in those organisations they give implicit support to criminals and if they don't know about even worse: in the age of information such ignorance is a crime!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mehtab Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh Thanks for the "enlightenment" By the way I have nowhere expressed any desire to have any group unbanned by any government, so whats with all the "talk to the authorities" ? Gurujee can make anything happen, and its only a matter of time. All I have done is tried to avoid any ninda without knowing the truth, thats all. How does that make me a supporter I don't understand. This is probably the 4th time I am saying it. Appreciate the rights and priviledges offered. waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Well why all the fuss then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mehtab Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 WAHEGUROO JEE KA KHALSA WAHEGUROO JEE KEE FATEH I have edited some stuff I said in my previous posts in a fit of rage, and marked them as <EDITED BY MEHTAB SINGH>. I do not hold any grudge whatsoever against this forum or its moderating team. There are a number of members and moderators here who I love as my brothers and sisters, and I don't want to offend them by my stereotypical and generalized statements about the mods at this site. It was wrong on my part to feel that I have been discriminated against for being a member of another forum, and for those words, I sincerely apologize. WAHEGUROO JEE KA KHALSA WAHEGUROO JEE KEE FATEH 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww mehtab honey...you are too sweety-tweety :D... Mauhhhhhhhhhhh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palm_w1 Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 6. Now some people will say: but not all Babbars and AKJ are bad! Let's suppose some were "good" people among them (as in they haven't killed or raped any innocent)! It's worse because by staying in those organisations they give implicit support to criminals and if they don't know about even worse: in the age of information such ignorance is a crime!!! perhaps they did speak out against some of it, perhaps some never knew (ignorance obviously being a crime in your eyes). if i follow your logic to its conclusion then all nihungs must be rapists and terrorists like phula. now its obvious to me that not all nihungs are like this but the fact that i never talk to any means i never here their side of the story. this doesn't make me label them all as terrorist. in the same way i never talk to any babbers so i can't judge the whole of that group on the actions of their more extreme members. regarding the proscribing of certain groups by western societies, it is evident they are banned. I choose my words carefully, while not supporting any of these groups it does not mean i neccassarily think the government is correct in its actions by banning them. there is a lot of indescrepencies in the foreign policy of many western countries. for e.g. not having diplomatic dealings with the ex-taleban govt of afghanistan but sucking up to the regime in saudi arabia even though it is condemned by most human rights groups for inhumane treatment of its own citizens. e.g. savage public beheadings, oublic amputations for petty offences. also u seem to emphasize the fact that the babbers/isyf are in the same classification as al qaeda. so what? do u think this makes them similar? also u seem to condemn western societies at other times and class certain countries as having dealt great blows to puratan sikhi yet when it suits you their advise on foreign groups seems to be acceptable. why the double standards? 5. Sukhdev SIngh had a farla and by Nihang maryada he deserved to die for usurping a position that he did not deserve as he WAS NOT an Akali do u think he deserved to die for this? p.s. moderaters, please get your points across in your own posts, by editing other posts to add your comments you are unfairly biasing the debate in your (and your cronies) favour. p.p.s no one seems to be showing open support for any proscribed organisations here so what is the legal problem? we seem to be able to discuss al qaeda with impunity so why not proscribed sikh groups. why the threat to send ip addresses (even when no crimes seem to have been committed), hopefully it is not to scare people into submission to your views. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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