Hari Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Vahiguru Vahiguru Vahiguru....Akaal Murati... Translated by Douglas M. Parrott The Sophia (Wisdom) of Jesus Christ. After he rose from the dead, his twelve disciples and seven women continued to be his followers, and went to Galilee onto the mountain called "Divination and Joy". When they gathered together and were perplexed about the underlying reality of the universe and the plan, and the holy providence, and the power of the authorities, and about everything the Savior is doing with them in the secret of the holy plan, the Savior appeared - not in his previous form, but in the invisible spirit. And his likeness resembles a great angel of light. But his resemblance I must not describe. No mortal flesh could endure it, but only pure, perfect flesh, like that which he taught us about on the mountain called "Of the Olives" in Galilee. And he said: "Peace be to you, My peace I give you!" And they all marveled and were afraid. The Savior laughed and said to them: "What are you thinking about? Are you perplexed? What are you searching for?" Philip said: "For the underlying reality of the universe and the plan." The Savior said to them: "I want you to know that all men are born on earth from the foundation of the world until now, being dust, while they have inquired about God, who he is and what he is like, have not found him. Now the wisest among them have speculated from the ordering of the world and (its) movement. But their speculation has not reached the truth. For it is said that the ordering is directed in three ways, by all the philosophers, (and) hence they do not agree. For some of them say about the world that it is directed by itself. Others, that it is providence (that directs it). Others, that it is fate. But it is none of these. Again, of the three voices I have just mentioned, none is close to the truth, and (they are) from man. But I, who came from Infinite Light, I am here - for I know him (Light) - that I might speak to you about the precise nature of the truth. For whatever is from itself is a polluted life; it is self-made. Providence has no wisdom in it. And fate does not discern. But to you it is given to know; and whoever is worthy of knowledge will receive (it), whoever has not been begotten by the sowing of unclean rubbing but by First Who Was Sent, for he is an immortal in the midst of mortal men." Matthew said to him: "Lord, no one can find the truth except through you. Therefore teach us the truth." The Savior said: "He Who Is is ineffable. No principle knew him, no authority, no subjection, nor any creature from the foundation of the world until now, except he alone, and anyone to whom he wants to make revelation through him who is from First Light. From now on, I am the Great Savior. For he is immortal and eternal. Now he is eternal, having no birth; for everyone who has birth will perish. He is unbegotten, having no beginning; for everyone who has a beginning has an end. Since no one rules over him, he has no name; for whoever has a name is the creation of another." (BG 84, 13-17 adds: He is unnameable. He has no human form; for whoever has human form is the creation of another). "And he has a semblance of his own - not like what you have seen and received, but a strange semblance that surpasses all things and is better than the universe. It looks to every side and sees itself from itself. Since it is infinite, he is ever incomprehensible. He is imperishable and has no likeness (to anything). He is unchanging good. He is faultless. He is eternal. He is blessed. While he is not known, he ever knows himself. He is immeasurable. He is untraceable. He is perfect, having no defect. He is imperishability blessed. He is called 'Father of the Universe'". Read the rest here: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/sjc.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheena Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 bless you for finding such a treasure... Waheguru.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheena Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Hari, perhaps would you like to discuss some of the tthings that are written in that gospel, such as this: "The Lord of the Universe is not called 'Father', but 'Forefather', the beginning of those that will appear, but he (the Lord) is the beginningless Forefather. Seeing himself within himself in a mirror, he appeared resembling himself, but his likeness appeared as Divine Self-Father, and <as> Confronter over the Confronted ones, First Existent Unbegotten Father. He is indeed of equal age <with> the Light that is before him, but he is not equal to him in power. what is the last sentence speaking of in "He"(son, "his likeness appeared as Divine Self-Father") is not equal to "him" (Father, the beginingless forefather) in power? does that make sense?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hari Posted January 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 I'm not qualified to answer your query Pheena Ji.But what comes to my mind is that Brahmjyot (the Light) is not in equal power (potency) to Parbrahm (the Forefather?).Since Brahmjyot is I think the first manifestation of That Parbrahm, it is of equal "age", but not equal in potency, strength, power. What I have found in my silly pursuit of the Mystic path, is that not all is what it seems.That there is a "God" above God.That the "Supreme Being" is both Being and Not-Being, and then again neither.It is something strange. And It definately is not what followers of organised religion tell you It is.But then again It is.... I suggest reading and digesting these Shabad, as a complimenting sweet to go with the above The Sophia of Jesus: http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=3750 http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=1688 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheena Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 After reading the paragraph immediatly following that quote, One word exploded in my mind "MAYA" , but how can maya be of an equal Age of the Light, Brahmjoat, the beginningless forefather. But it is certain that Maya does not equal the Forefather in Power. It is also assumable that Maya being the ruler of Duality (Universe, Existence,) be his first Creation. because the bottom quote suggests And "Afterwards" revealing (creating) multitude of confronting sefl-begotten ones (humans, other species)...ok im just making this up as im going along... On a Serious note i haven't a clue what im talking about So I will just leave it alone... "And afterward was revealed a whole multitude of confronting, self-begotten ones, equal in age and power, being in glory (and) without number, whose race is called 'The Generation over Whom There Is No Kingdom' from the one in whom you yourselves have appeared from these men. And that whole multitude over which there is no kingdom is called 'Sons of Unbegotten Father, God, Savior, Son of God,' whose likeness is with you. Now he is the unknowable, who is full of ever-imperishable glory and ineffable joy. They all are at rest in him, ever rejoicing in ineffable joy in his unchanging glory and measureless jubilation; this was never heard or known among all the aeons and their worlds until now." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukhi Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 For he is immortal and eternal. Now he is eternal, having no birth; for everyone who has birth will perish. He is unbegotten, having no beginning; for everyone who has a beginning has an end. Since no one rules over him, he has no name; for whoever has a name is the creation of another. hmmm... sounds familiar. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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