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Hi All,

After a short absence, the sikhs2islam website is back up. Check it on :-


Also, very disappointed to see my thread locked, I felt there was a lot of progress being made and i was not given the right of reply to SikhAnswers.

Never mind, I will post it all on my website for people to read.


Umar, Sikhs2Islam.Com

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Hi Vijaydeep, long time!

Please do continue the debate, I have still got to address your points as well, which I will do when I get time.




Yuo may also have to deal Sikh answers and Isdillhon Ji.

Das can wait to have talk with you at Dargah(in front of Allah).As and when Allah want(not neccasary on Qayamat).

But did you thought of Allah with full concentration while at Salat as das requested you for that.(As you wanted to see the God of Sikhs).At that time you mistook as if Satan is inciting you to ask Allah to show Allah to your self.

Brother even while typing das is seeing Allah.That is Gurmat.Only Satan tends to come inbetween us so that Singals sent by das have noise in them.

Ang 1161 and onto Muslim Kabeer.

ਸਤਰਿ ਸੈਇ ਸਲਾਰ ਹੈ ਜਾ ਕੇ ॥

सतरि सैइ सलार है जा के ॥

satar sai-ay salaar hai jaa kay.

He has 7,000 commanders,

ਸਵਾ ਲਾਖੁ ਪੈਕਾਬਰ ਤਾ ਕੇ ॥

सवा लाखु पैकाबर ता के ॥

savaa laakh paikaabar taa kay.

and hundreds of thousands of prophets;

ਸੇਖ ਜੁ ਕਹੀਅਹਿ ਕੋਟਿ ਅਠਾਸੀ ॥

सेख जु कहीअहि कोटि अठासी ॥

saykh jo kahee-ahi kot athaasee.

He is said to have 88,000,000 shaykhs,

ਛਪਨ ਕੋਟਿ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਖੇਲ ਖਾਸੀ ॥੧॥

छपन कोटि जा के खेल खासी ॥१॥

chhapan kot jaa kay khayl khaasee. ||1||

and 56,000,000 attendants. ||1||

ਮੋ ਗਰੀਬ ਕੀ ਕੋ ਗੁਜਰਾਵੈ ॥

मो गरीब की को गुजरावै ॥

mo gareeb kee ko gujraavai.

I am meek and poor - what chance do I have of being heard there?

ਮਜਲਸਿ ਦੂਰਿ ਮਹਲੁ ਕੋ ਪਾਵੈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

मजलसि दूरि महलु को पावै ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥

majlas door mahal ko paavai. ||1|| rahaa-o.

His Court is so far away; only a rare few attain the Mansion of His Presence. ||1||Pause||

ਤੇਤੀਸ ਕਰੋੜੀ ਹੈ ਖੇਲ ਖਾਨਾ ॥

तेतीस करोड़ी है खेल खाना ॥

taytees karorhee hai khayl khaanaa.

He has 33,000,000 play-houses.

ਚਉਰਾਸੀ ਲਖ ਫਿਰੈ ਦਿਵਾਨਾਂ ॥

चउरासी लख फिरै दिवानां ॥

cha-uraasee lakh firai divaanaaN.

His beings wander insanely through 8.4 million incarnations.

ਬਾਬਾ ਆਦਮ ਕਉ ਕਿਛੁ ਨਦਰਿ ਦਿਖਾਈ ॥

बाबा आदम कउ किछु नदरि दिखाई ॥

baabaa aadam ka-o kichh nadar dikhaa-ee.

He bestowed His Grace on Adam, the father of mankind,

ਉਨਿ ਭੀ ਭਿਸਤਿ ਘਨੇਰੀ ਪਾਈ ॥੨॥

उनि भी भिसति घनेरी पाई ॥२॥

un bhee bhisat ghanayree paa-ee. ||2||

who then lived in paradise for a long time. ||2||

ਦਿਲ ਖਲਹਲੁ ਜਾ ਕੈ ਜਰਦ ਰੂ ਬਾਨੀ ॥

दिल खलहलु जा कै जरद रू बानी ॥

dil khalhal jaa kai jarad roo baanee.

Pale are the faces of those whose hearts are disturbed.

ਛੋਡਿ ਕਤੇਬ ਕਰੈ ਸੈਤਾਨੀ ॥

छोडि कतेब करै सैतानी ॥

chhod katayb karai saitaanee.

They have forsaken their Bible, and practice Satanic evil.

ਦੁਨੀਆ ਦੋਸੁ ਰੋਸੁ ਹੈ ਲੋਈ ॥

दुनीआ दोसु रोसु है लोई ॥

dunee-aa dos ros hai lo-ee.

One who blames the world, and is angry with people,

ਅਪਨਾ ਕੀਆ ਪਾਵੈ ਸੋਈ ॥੩॥

अपना कीआ पावै सोई ॥३॥

apnaa kee-aa paavai so-ee. ||3||

shall receive the fruits of his own actions. ||3||

ਤੁਮ ਦਾਤੇ ਹਮ ਸਦਾ ਭਿਖਾਰੀ ॥

तुम दाते हम सदा भिखारी ॥

tum daatay ham sadaa bhikhaaree.

You are the Great Giver, O Lord; I am forever a beggar at Your Door.

ਦੇਉ ਜਬਾਬੁ ਹੋਇ ਬਜਗਾਰੀ ॥

देउ जबाबु होइ बजगारी ॥

day-o jabaab ho-ay bajgaaree.

If I were to deny You, then I would be a wretched sinner.

ਦਾਸੁ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਤੇਰੀ ਪਨਹ ਸਮਾਨਾਂ ॥

दासु कबीरु तेरी पनह समानां ॥

daas kabeer tayree panah samaanaaN.

Slave Kabeer has entered Your Shelter.

ਭਿਸਤੁ ਨਜੀਕਿ ਰਾਖੁ ਰਹਮਾਨਾ ॥੪॥੭॥੧੫॥

भिसतु नजीकि राखु रहमाना ॥४॥७॥१५॥

bhisat najeek raakh rehmaanaa. ||4||7||15||

Keep me near You, O Merciful Lord God - that is heaven for me. ||4||7||15||

Do not go by english tranlation but if you could understand Sadhu Bhash go by Tranlitration.


and read the Gurmukhi or Nagri text and then only if you know that script.and language is Arbic laden Farsi.

As often Raheem and Kareem are refered as Lord in translation.

More to hear from you.Akal Sahai Allah Hafiz.

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ਸ਼ਰੀਅਤ ਪ੍ਰਸਤੋ ਫ਼ਜ਼ੀਲਤ ਮ-ਆਬ ॥ ਹਕੀਕਤ ਸ਼ਨਾਸੋ ਨਬੀਉਲ ਕਿਤਾਬ ॥੯॥

शरीअत प्रसतो फ़ज़ीलत म-आब ॥ हकीकत शनासो नबीउल किताब ॥९॥

He is the Source of all virtues, keeper of Dharma; He knows everything and is the Source of all Scriptures.9.

Das will only do Tran litration for this

Shariat Prasto Fazilat ma aab.Haqiqat Shansho Nabiul Kitab.

By grace of Allah das knows this language.Yuo are aware that often mnay afro carbians tend to follow Islam based upon wrong English explantions.Always it is best to learn Arebic first and interpret your self.

but even then try to read whole JafferNammah by yourself even in translated in English.We are not much differnt anyway.

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Sik2islam i visited your website, its a blatant attack on sikhism. picking holes, misinterpreting facts, hoping to find confused, weak individuals, its a very sneaky attempt to discredit a faith to convert. Unfortunately you have a dialogue with some members, i personally feel you are a disgrace to good muslims as well. Live your religion, improve your self why are you spending your swaas this way. I wouldnt mind if you were sincere and wanted to learn about sikhism, but your website says otherwise. its offensive.... but a sign of the times.... freedom of the internet.

N30...I am new to this forum i read it a lot but havent replied, am i missing something here ,it is healthy to debate, but sometimes i think the scholars amongst us like to talk so much intellectual crap they miss the point and cant see the hole they are being sucked into.

I gave s2i the benefit of the doubt until i saw his website, we should be careful of people like him they destroy all faiths from the inside. Wake Up People.

Sorry for the long post.

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I totally agree with "asb".

There is also something wrong with this section.

"This section is to discuss and answer propaganda e-mails and information online. You can post e-mails/articles trying to mislead Sikhs here to get the feedback on them. "

Dear Sikhawareness admin and mods, the above is the descp of this "anti-sikh proganda" section. Why are we having this S2I member posting or I should say advertising his hate inciting site blatantly here on this forum.

Its obvious that this member is creating hate and anger. Its also obvious that he could not care less about the Sikhi answers from for e.g. "Bilja" or "sikhanswers" and others. Its also obvious to all that his real agenda is to covert Sikhs to his religion.

I am pretty sure that its written in SGGSJ, that we should avoid this kind of company ie bad company and instead keep in good company and earn gurmat naam in this short time we have on earth.

Waheguroo please give "S2I" member some gurmat naam.

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When one sick comes to docter,we have to cure that.s2i is rather making mockery of his faith of his psedu Islam,yet he does not understand it.Some IQ probelm.Rasol(SWAS) was told by heathen that he is crazy and our Guru was also told same.

But some guys are crazy since birth or due to bigotary.Sikhs and Muslims have such things often.

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