And by the way Kaam does not mean Sex.
Kaam is any uncontrolled desire. One could be longing for expensive cars, jewellery etc and it is considered kaam. But people think normal intimacy in a marriage means kaam. Its not. The emphasis is not on owning a car, or some jewellery but the excessive craving for these things, same as sex.
If the Gurus produced children without intercourse please show the proof. All of the Gurus were advocating normal householder life and even Guru Gobind Singh Ji said to increase the love with your spouse as much as you can, but never even in your dreams go to the bed of another (proof he was speaking of physical relations and not just the emotion of love).
Also the shabad posted by akalpurkh is NOT speaking about hypocrisy as suggested by Paapiman. If you read the entire shabad (by devotee Kabir Ji) it is speaking against practices of the yogis, including celibacy, as means to obtain the divine. As we know, the Gurus were against useless rituals. They keep reminding us over and over that you don't need to do all these false things, useless rituals to find God. Because God is within your own mind. The way to find God is through your own mind. Pay attention to the rahao line...
ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ॥
गउड़ी कबीर जी ॥
Ga▫oṛī Kabīr jī.
Gauree, Kabeer Jee:
ਨਗਨ ਫਿਰਤ ਜੌ ਪਾਈਐ ਜੋਗੁ ॥
नगन फिरत जौ पाईऐ जोगु ॥
Nagan firaṯ jou pā▫ī▫ai jog.
If Yoga could be obtained by wandering around naked,
ਬਨ ਕਾ ਮਿਰਗੁ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਸਭੁ ਹੋਗੁ ॥੧॥
बन का मिरगु मुकति सभु होगु ॥१॥
Ban kā mirag mukaṯ sabẖ hog. ||1||
then all the deer of the forest would be liberated. ||1||
ਕਿਆ ਨਾਗੇ ਕਿਆ ਬਾਧੇ ਚਾਮ ॥
किआ नागे किआ बाधे चाम ॥
Ki▫ā nāge ki▫ā bāḏẖe cẖām.
What does it matter whether someone goes naked, or wears a deer skin,
ਜਬ ਨਹੀ ਚੀਨਸਿ ਆਤਮ ਰਾਮ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
जब नही चीनसि आतम राम ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Jab nahī cẖīnas āṯam rām. ||1|| rahā▫o.
if he does not remember the Lord within his soul? ||1||Pause||
ਮੂਡ ਮੁੰਡਾਏ ਜੌ ਸਿਧਿ ਪਾਈ ॥
मूड मुंडाए जौ सिधि पाई ॥
Mūd mundā▫e jou siḏẖ pā▫ī.
If the spiritual perfection of the Siddhas could be obtained by shaving the head,
ਮੁਕਤੀ ਭੇਡ ਨ ਗਈਆ ਕਾਈ ॥੨॥
मुकती भेड न गईआ काई ॥२॥
Mukṯī bẖed na ga▫ī▫ā kā▫ī. ||2||
then why haven't sheep found liberation? ||2||
ਬਿੰਦੁ ਰਾਖਿ ਜੌ ਤਰੀਐ ਭਾਈ ॥
बिंदु राखि जौ तरीऐ भाई ॥
Binḏ rākẖ jou ṯarī▫ai bẖā▫ī.
If someone could save himself by celibacy, O Siblings of Destiny,
ਖੁਸਰੈ ਕਿਉ ਨ ਪਰਮ ਗਤਿ ਪਾਈ ॥੩॥
खुसरै किउ न परम गति पाई ॥३॥
Kẖusrai ki▫o na param gaṯ pā▫ī. ||3||
why then haven't eunuchs obtained the state of supreme dignity? ||3||
ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਸੁਨਹੁ ਨਰ ਭਾਈ ॥
कहु कबीर सुनहु नर भाई ॥
Kaho Kabīr sunhu nar bẖā▫ī.
Says Kabeer, listen, O men, O Siblings of Destiny:
ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮ ਬਿਨੁ ਕਿਨਿ ਗਤਿ ਪਾਈ ॥੪॥੪॥
राम नाम बिनु किनि गति पाई ॥४॥४॥
Rām nām bin kin gaṯ pā▫ī. ||4||4||
without the Lord's Name, who has ever found salvation? ||4||4||
Now if what paapiman said was correct, that its somehow saying that celibacy AND remembering the Lord in your mind / soul are required for salvation, then it is also saying that wandering around naked is required! Both ideas, celibacy and wandering naked are presented and condemned in the exact same way! So if you are saying one is encouraged (but just not by itself) then the other one is too! So why aren't they running around naked while they are practicing celibacy? Except... that's not it. The shabad is clearly condemning these useless rituals as a means to find God. Because it tells us God is within our own mind and soul and we can only find God with naam. This is danger of taking single tuks out of context of the shabad!
Anyway this is just my opinion and I am sure it will be ripped to pieces and people will nindiya me again.
You shouldn't see it as 'false mythology' maybe better to see it as using the accepted norms of disseminating information in the region, and tying learning to concepts/frameworks that people were already familiar with.
This is standard (good) practice for trying to teach people; using what they are already familiar with to develop understanding.
It's not false mythology, because behind EVERY mythological story are concepts/ideas/ideals that the myths are trying to convey. That's their importance and significance.
Think about this:
If Sikhi was revealed in say Europe or Africa instead of Panjab, do you really think the Gurus would use traditional Indic references to get points across? If not, what do yo think they would use to make people understand?
Awesome effort by the sevadars to put the santhya together with visuals - earlier audio only recordings were available at http://www.longislandkeertan.com/. Thanks akalpurkh for making us aware of the youtube link
Gurbani Vichar By Prof. Sarabjit Singh Dhunda - Kalal Majra, Barnala - Feb 28 & Mar 01, 2014
Bhai Sarabjit Singh Dhunda, hailed from village Dhoonda, a Missionary Sikh preacher, belong to Gurmat Gyan Missionary College of Ludhiana. His preachings focus on removal of Derawad in light of Adi Granth Sahib and Sikh Rehat Maryada. He do his preachings in villages around Punjab and also in other parts of the world.
In Canada the congregation gave him many Golden Medals for his preachings against fake saints and enlightning with negativity of Karam Kand and Dera Culture.
Prof. Sarabjit Singh Dhunda - Kalal Majra, Barnala - Feb 28, 2014 (Day 1 of 2)
Prof. Sarabjit Singh Dhunda - Kalal Majra, Barnala - Mar 01, 2014 (Day 2 of 2)
