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    chatanga1 got a reaction from ipledgeblue in Halalonomics   
    Well done for standing up. It's a shame that sikh student groups like BOSS even, prefer to support vegetarianism rather than take a stand against halal.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Shocking!! Sikhs being converted   
    The problem in villages throughout Panjab, is the gurdwaras are dead. People go to gurdwara sproadically throughout the day, as some kind of good luck charm. There are rarely diwans held, and even then people still find excuses not to attend. Having too many gurdwaras in one village doesn't help either.
    People from villages would rather go to Darbar Sahib/Anandpur Sahib once every few months than go daily to the Gurdwara in their village.
     
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Shocking!! Sikhs being converted   
    Whats shocking is how gullible and desperate people are converted to other religions, whilst not really improving their lives in any way.
    Some 150 years ago, in a united Panjab, many lowcastes became christians in the hope that their position in society would be elevated but they are still where they were before conversion.
     
    If these preachers could heal non-functioning kidneys, do you think that there would be any need for 6 years of study, an immense financial outlay, and then working day-to-day to pay that off?
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    chatanga1 reacted to Premi in Jatana Pind - My ancestral village   
    The credit for the original content goes to NeverForget84.com and has since been edited.
    Shaheed Bhai Balwinder Singh Jattana Babbar was one of the Sikh Liberation Movement’s heroes, who struggled endlessly to end the looting and subjugation of Punjab. Bhai Sahib was a dedicated and determined Naujavaan – steadfast on his principles – who made the ultimate sacrifice for the liberation of the Sikh Kaum. At the young age of 25, Bhai Balwinder Singh left the peace of his own home and his education to to fight for an independent Sikh homeland. Bhai Sahib entered the battlefield fearlessly and quickly rose to prominence in the Malwa region of Punjab. Recognizing his leadership qualities and his Gursikhi Jeevan, Bhai Balwinder Singh was soon established as Babbar Khalsa’s Malwa Area Commander.
    Bhai Balwinder Singh and his companions, such as, Jathedar Bhagat Singh Bhagta (Ropar), Bhai Harmeet Singh Bhaowal and Bhai Charanjeet Singh ‘Channa’ were responsible for many courageous actions in their area and struck fear in the hearts of the police. One such action took place on July 23, 1990 in Chandigarh’s Sector 26 at the SYL Canal’s head office.
    Since the British colonizers made their exit from the Indian subcontinent and transferred power to India’s Brahmin, “free” Hindu India has oppressed, looted and exploited the people of Punjab unceasingly. One such scheme to cripple the Sikh’s of Punjab economically and ecologically, was to divert and steal Punjab’s river water. With this end in mind, the Satluj-Yamuna-Link canal was proposed in 1982 to carry Punjab’s river water to neighboring Haryana and despite the 
    On the morning of the 23rd, all four of the Guru’s Singhs approached the head office on scooters while the chief engineers of the SYL project held a meeting on the second floor of the building. The jatha of Babbar’s entered the office casually and made their way to the meeting place with silenced pistols. Like lightning, they struck – eliminating M.S. Sikri and Avtar Aulakh, the engineers who were collaborating with the Brahmin Sarkar to loot Punjab’s resources and livelihood. Just as casually as they had entered, the Singhs walked out of the office and left on the same scooters they had come on. The government was shaken by the audacity of the action and immediately halted the SYL project.
    On August 29th of the following summer, Jujharoo Singhs attacked SSP Sumedh Saini, killing his driver and bodyguard. Saini survived the attack with few injuries and his suspicion immediately fell on Bhai Balwinder Singh. In an act of revenge, Saini sent his group of police cat Nangs, led by Ajit Poohla, to Bhai Balwinder Singh’s village home in Jatana. Upon arriving they found Bhai Sahib’s 80 year old grandmother, 40 year old aunt, 13 year old cousin and his 5 year old nephew suffering from polio. admin cut Poohla and his cronies, proceeded to murder all four family members and burnt their bodies along with the home. Illustrating his unshakable dedication to the liberation struggle, when Bhai Sahib learned of the attack, he remained calm and said, “Their plan is to divert us from the path of freedom. They kill our families and expect us to kill innocent people (Hindus) in return. Sikhs do not kill anyone out of anger. We will be harming the movement by resorting to the police’s tactics.”
    It was a few days later, on September 4, 1991, that an informer alerted the police of Bhai Sahib’s whereabouts – hoping to collect the Rs. 16 lakh reward on his head. It was the afternoon of the fourth when Bhai Balwinder Singh and Bhai Charanjeet Singh ‘Channa’ were driving towards Sadhugarh village when they saw a police checkpoint. They abruptly turned their jeep around and ran into nearby fields for an encounter with the police. Both Singh’s had very little ammunition and were soon martyred by the police.
     
     
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from singh1800 in Sikhi Guidance   
    @Jageera  if you want to beleive that Guru Nanak spent 3 days hiding in the Bein Rivere contemplating his next course of action, or that Guru Gobind Singh Ji never took khande ki pahul then read dilgeers book. Anybody who has faith in Guru Sahib's would never waste their time or money on dilgeers books.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Kaur1510 in Introduction to Sri Dasme Patshahs' Granth   
    http://www.panjabdigilib.org/webuser/searches/displayPage.jsp?ID=2685&page=1&CategoryID=1&Searched=
     
    Thanks to PDL. This site is amazing. I have found a book on here that I was after for a long time. It is called "Poetry of the Dasam Granth"
    written by Dharam Pal Ashta in 1959. As you can guess from the year of publication it won't be easy to find nowadays. But from what I have read so far, it is definitely worth a look.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Kaur1510 in Sri Charitropakhyan Sahib jee Series - Charitar #114   
    An apology as well, having been absent through illness from the forum. I will try and make more headway with the Charitars now though.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Kaur1510 in Sri Charitropakhyan Sahib jee Series - Charitar #114   
    The charitar seems to be based on this rishi. It is quite an informative read about his life.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rishyasringa
     
    Some things I've noticed from this:
    How is it that the whole town, King and Brahmans etc all failed yet placed their faith in the ability of a prostitute to accomplish what they could not?
    The Rishi and his wife, then produced 13 children. I think that these births didn't come through human rites as the whole town would have died by then. We would be looking at at least 10 years for all of them to be born that way. One account of the Rishi's birth is that he was from the womb of a deer, which is why he had horns on his head.
    The Rishi after producing rain, and saving the town, then actually became a threat to the same town. So firstly they needed his attendance to save themselves, and then they needed his removal to save themselves.
    The image of the Rishi had to be changed from Jatta to pagridhari ie from dreadlocks to a turban. Why couldn't the woman bring the rishi as he was, with dreadlocks to the town. I think that she wanted to display her power over him to the townsfolk. That she had not only changed his appearance but also his outlook on life ie from a sanyassi to a grishti.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from dalsingh101 in Odisha Government Wipes Out Five Hundred Years of History – Sikh Gurudwara Mangu Mutt   
    Another historic Gurdwara added to an already long list.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Odisha Government Wipes Out Five Hundred Years of History – Sikh Gurudwara Mangu Mutt   
    Another historic Gurdwara added to an already long list.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Jatana Pind - My ancestral village   
    Jatana is quite a famous village.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Sri Charitropakhyan Sahib jee Series - Charitar #114   
    Good spot. It does seem strange to label her as a prostitute. The Panjabi translation also does the same. Looking through the word meanings, it could mean either this word can be used as an actor as bolded in in 3 and 4.
    The sanskrit meaning of this word is :
    Spoken Sanskrit
     
      योगेन्द्र yogendra m. master or adept in the yoga  
     
    Maybe that was what was required? An actress to entice the Rishi to come and save the town and its inhabitants?
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Sri Charitropakhyan Sahib jee Series - Charitar #114   
    An apology as well, having been absent through illness from the forum. I will try and make more headway with the Charitars now though.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from dalsingh101 in Dhai Phat - Hit and run tactics of war   
    Good share Dal. I heard this in katha of Sri Gur Panth Parkash. Had no idea what the meaning of it was.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Dhai Phat - Hit and run tactics of war   
    Good share Dal. I heard this in katha of Sri Gur Panth Parkash. Had no idea what the meaning of it was.
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    chatanga1 reacted to dalsingh101 in Dhai Phat - Hit and run tactics of war   
    Dhai Phat
    Updated: Mar 14
    During the Misl Era, Panjab saw many invasions by Afghan forces, that would enter through Punjab, plunder the land of India and leave back through Punjab.
      The Sikhs at the time would attack these forces to free the slaves, and grab the loot.
      Sikhs, being the Sons of the land of Punjab, were well aware of the terrain and land.
      Sikhs followed methods which essentially are surgical operations. The entire method is summed up as 2 1/2 Phat.
      First Phat
    - Element of Surprise, This was the trademark of the attack. The enemy is struck unaware, and if the surprise is successful then phase one is a success. This is said to be 30% of the entire attack.
      Half Phat
    - Sudden Shock Attack, "sudden, swift and shock attack of unprecedented ferocity". This shakes the enemy and creates a ripple of confusion between the enemy ranks, The will to fight flees the enemy and there is disarray in the enemy ranks. This is 40% of the entire attack.
      Second Phat
    - Quick Dispersal. After striking, the Sikh would scatter, and head to safe areas or their hide outs. Fairly shortly, the Singhs would not be found. After the escape, Sikhs would regroup, attack again with double the zeal. These attacks would be repeated, continuously causing massive damage to the enemy. This was the final 30%.
      - Jangnamah, Qazi Nur Mohammed
          Panth Parkash, Shaheed Bhai Rattan Singh Ji Bhangu
      ਸਾਖੀ ਘੱਲੂਘਾਰੇ ਪੜੋਲ ਕਠੂਹੇ ਕੀ
    Episode About the Massacre at Parol and Kathuha (Chhota Ghallughara)
      ਦੋਹਰਾ
    Dohra
      ਦੇਖ ਸੁ ਲਸ਼ਕਰ ਅਤਿ ਘਣਾ ਸਭ ਖਾਲਸੇ ਲਾਯੋ ਦਿਵਾਨ । ਇਨ ਸੋ ਸਨਮੁਖ ਕਿਮ ਲਰੈਂ ਇਹ ਚਲ ਅਯੋ ਜਹਾਨ । ੬੯ ।
    Reckoning the strength of Mughal forces to be large in number, The Khalsa Singhs did assemble in a religious congregation. How should the Khalsa fight with the Mughal troops, As they had launched an invasion in their largest strength. (39)
      ਜੇਉ ਸੂਰ ਸਿਰ ਬਾਹਰੇ ਤੇਊ ਕਹੈਂ ਲੜੋ ਆਜ । ਜੋਊ ਸਿਆਨੇ ਸੋ ਕਹੈਂ ਲੜੋ ਸੁ ਮੁੜ ਮੁੜ ਭਾਜ । ੪੦ ।
    Those being hot-headed and brave among the Singhs, Did they vote for an instant spat with the Mughals. Those being seasoned and battle-hardened veterans, Did they advise to adopt a hit and run strategy. (40)
      ਚੌਪਈ
    Chaupai
      ਸਯਾਨਨ ਨੇ ਯੋ ਬਾਤ ਸੁਨਾਈ । ਲੜਾਈ ਕੇ ਫੱਟ ਕਹੈ ਸੁ ਢਾਈ । ਮਿਲਨ ਭਜਨ ਇਹ ਸਾਰ ਦੋਇ । ਲੜ ਮਰ ਮੁੱਕਣ ਆਧਾ ਸੋਇ । ੪੧ ।
    Rightly had the elders narrated a war strategy, That hit and run indeed was the best kind of battle. Confrontation and desertion being equally valid strategies, Fight or perish were indeed half as good as hit and run. (41)
      ਹਮੇਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਨੇ ਭਜਣ ਬਤਾਯਾ । ਭਜ ਭਜ ਲੜਨੋਂ ਬਡ ਯਹ ਦਾਯਾ । ਭਜ ਭਜ ਲੜਿਓ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਆਪ । ਭਜ ਭਜ ਲੜਨੋ ਨਹਿਂ ਕਛੁ ਪਾਪ । ੪੨ ।
    Advantageous desertion being approved by the Guru as a good strategy, Hit and run strategy indeed was the best policy Guru himself having deserted the field while battling, Was there indeed nothing sinful about hitting and running. (42)
      ਕਈ ਬਾਰ ਭਜ ਗਯੋ ਭਗਵਾਨ । ਮੱਧ ਸਮੁੰਦਰ ਕੀਨੋ ਥਾਨ । ਪਾਂਡਵ ਭੀ ਥੇ ਭਜ ਕੇ ਬਚੇ । ਮੰਦਰ ਥੇ ਜਹ ਲੱਖੀ ਰਚੇ । ੪੩ ।
    Many a time did Lord Krishna desert the field of battle, In the mid-ocean he had to sit for protection. Pandavas: to had to run away to save their lives, Seeking protection inside the Lakhi temple under-construction. (43)
      ਦੋਹਰਾ
    Dohra
      ਜੋਉ ਸਯਾਨਨ ਨੇ ਕਹੀ ਮਨੀ ਸੂਰਨ ਸੋ ਗੱਲ । ਲਰਤ ਭਜਤ ਆਗੇ ਤੁਰੇ ਲਯੋ ਆਸਰੋ ਝੱਲ । ੪੪ ।
    As advised by elderly veterans among the Khalsa Panth, The brave Singh warriors did obey their sane advice. Hitting and running did they proceed further, Taking shelter among the wilds (as and when required). (44)
     
    https://www.akaalsahaiji.com/post/dhai-phat
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    chatanga1 reacted to Soulfinder in Uggardanti And Bansavalinama   
    Here is new information that dass found about ugardanti and how it should be read after chandi di vaar in this track. For more information about this bani please watch from the start.
     
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from AkalKiFauj in Ravi Dassia Dharam - Dalit Deras Reject Move   
    the thread only died becasue your deceit was exposed. Go back to it and answer if you can. I dont need to spell anything out.

    Derailment? pot.kettle.black.

    the rumalla on the feet on the nindaks was done 1 week before the time of the commeuppance of the pakhandi. in 2002 ish when he came to uk, he was having people bow to him in Aad Guru's hazoori, in the Ravidas gurdwaras, and they stopped him.

    at vienna, the week before the nindaks killing, a person objected to the pakhandis beadbi, he was hospitalized by the nindaks followers, and later died. The people who went the week after went prepared for defence should it be necessary, and when the same thugs, im sorry i should have said bhagats tried to beat these guys up, they and their pakhandi baba got their dues.

    you can say whatever you like to make out like these people went with the intention of murder, hated chamars, extremist sikhs etc . Its what we've come to expect from you, harjas kaur ji.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Harjas Pothi   
    Are the Minas still existing today?
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Harjas Pothi   
    So could it be because the Minas began to lean towards Gurmat thought?
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Harjas Pothi   
    Could it have been written in competition to Guru Granth Sahib if it is part of Mina literature?
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Harjas Pothi   
    Was this Kavi part of Guru Sahib's Darbar?
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Harjas Pothi   
    concerning what subject? Any idea on the theme or subject of the text?
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Harjas Pothi   
    Can't find under that title or author on PDL.
     
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from dalsingh101 in Sri Charitropakhyan Sahib jee Series - Charitar #114   
    The charitar seems to be based on this rishi. It is quite an informative read about his life.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rishyasringa
     
    Some things I've noticed from this:
    How is it that the whole town, King and Brahmans etc all failed yet placed their faith in the ability of a prostitute to accomplish what they could not?
    The Rishi and his wife, then produced 13 children. I think that these births didn't come through human rites as the whole town would have died by then. We would be looking at at least 10 years for all of them to be born that way. One account of the Rishi's birth is that he was from the womb of a deer, which is why he had horns on his head.
    The Rishi after producing rain, and saving the town, then actually became a threat to the same town. So firstly they needed his attendance to save themselves, and then they needed his removal to save themselves.
    The image of the Rishi had to be changed from Jatta to pagridhari ie from dreadlocks to a turban. Why couldn't the woman bring the rishi as he was, with dreadlocks to the town. I think that she wanted to display her power over him to the townsfolk. That she had not only changed his appearance but also his outlook on life ie from a sanyassi to a grishti.
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