chatanga1

You are the same Pal who used to post here many years ago?

This is thing that gets me. This is a very serious subject of targetted conversions not only in the UK, but also Panjab, where thousands more have left Gurmat for Christianity, and instead of addressing the topic at hand, this hindutva rat uses it as a weapon against Sikhs.
Look at this respect for Sikhs shown by the state and it's operatives. "Why are Sikhs surprised. Extreme brotherhood with hindus is now promoted by many sections of Sikhs"

Where did you see any Sikhs promoting brotherhood with any islamic parties? The one link you shared here, tried to just paint those Sikhs in the UK as some kind of supporters of Islam, whereas it was nothing of the kind.
 
And THAT is no different from brain dead hindutvas who see any kind of political interaction between Sikhs/Khalistanis and Muslims/Kashmiris as some kind of love marriage. Your rotten thought process is NO DIFFERENT  from those around you and in control of your country.
 
 
You don't live in reality. You have no reality. You're not even a Sikh and that's not me saying that. It's YOUR government and country that says that. What you live as, is a hindu. In your so-called reality.
 
 
 
Who cares if it's possible in present scenario?? Do you think that Rosa Parks thought it was possible in the world she lived in? But it came to reality when enough people realised that it was needed.
 
 
 
Yes, and I can also show you links where Hindus congratulated the attack on Darbar Sahib. Do you want to see them?
 
 
 
Thank you. This is the essence. Lost on Hindus like kd.

It's not just sad, it's an eye-opener to how these Sikh schols, once championed as a massive advantage for teaching Gurmat to children, (who, let's face it, get next to nothing from most gurdwaras and don't go) have not lived up to their expectations from the Sikh community. It's not just this school, Khalsa Academy Wolverhampton, has been taking in Sikh children and churning out athiests en masse. There is ZERO emphasis on Gurmat, a far cry from the starting point when the balance was on Gurmat with all other subjects.
 
This is what happens when you get trusts taking over schools and seeing them as some kind of business and career expanding vehicle.
 
 
Two Sikh boys, were jailed for life from Khalsa Academy Wolverhampton for the murder of another boy in their school.
 
 
What has happened to the Khalsa Academy school in Slough? The one in Wolverhampton is a Khalsa Academy in name only. It doesn't even deserve that label and hasn't for a long time.
 
 
 
 

Look what came crawling out the gutters. Trash. The same trash that promotes extreme brotherhood with bjp and hindutva. You and the tiranga waving trash are no different from these people you are trying to villify.
 
 
Wow. Typical hindutva trash and typical response from you. This is not some kind of religious unity but a political alliance. And what is wrong with that? Both Sikhs and Muslims in Kashmir have had mass rape and extra-judicial killings of their people. Both peoples have suffered immensely under indian rule. So both groups joining to protest on the 15th aug is nothing that is special but the fact that both group are protesting together is suddenly anathema to you.

The keyword being false. That is india and the tiranga waving traitors like this kd described in one word.

Waheguru Ji
The complete katha of Naveen (new)  Panth Parkash granth by Giani Gian Singh Ji has been completed by Baba Baljit Singh Burj, which can be listened from this playlist
 
 
A pdf of Giani Gian Singh Ji's granth can be downloaded 
Pdf granth
 

It's not just sad, it's an eye-opener to how these Sikh schols, once championed as a massive advantage for teaching Gurmat to children, (who, let's face it, get next to nothing from most gurdwaras and don't go) have not lived up to their expectations from the Sikh community. It's not just this school, Khalsa Academy Wolverhampton, has been taking in Sikh children and churning out athiests en masse. There is ZERO emphasis on Gurmat, a far cry from the starting point when the balance was on Gurmat with all other subjects.
 
This is what happens when you get trusts taking over schools and seeing them as some kind of business and career expanding vehicle.
 
 
Two Sikh boys, were jailed for life from Khalsa Academy Wolverhampton for the murder of another boy in their school.
 
 
What has happened to the Khalsa Academy school in Slough? The one in Wolverhampton is a Khalsa Academy in name only. It doesn't even deserve that label and hasn't for a long time.
 
 
 
 

Look what came crawling out the gutters. Trash. The same trash that promotes extreme brotherhood with bjp and hindutva. You and the tiranga waving trash are no different from these people you are trying to villify.
 
 
Wow. Typical hindutva trash and typical response from you. This is not some kind of religious unity but a political alliance. And what is wrong with that? Both Sikhs and Muslims in Kashmir have had mass rape and extra-judicial killings of their people. Both peoples have suffered immensely under indian rule. So both groups joining to protest on the 15th aug is nothing that is special but the fact that both group are protesting together is suddenly anathema to you.

84? I don't think the Panth learned anything from 1849 onwards.
 
 
Where?
 
 
Glad that you have brought it up. Let's talk about how the original custodians of Sri Akal Takht Sahib, the Buddha Dal., allowed the barring of low-caste Sikhs from Darbar Sahib, and did nothing for years until the Singh Sabha forced them out. If Buddha Dal with all its shastars could let this happen, what chance to mere mortals have?
 
 
As bitter as it sounds, we have to accept the sakhi of Bhai Ghaneya and the fact that Guru Sahib praised him for it. Giving langar (and charity) is done blindly. I don't know how to change that but I would welcome any ideas.
 
 
Sikhs are seeing a genocide again, but it will not be an overt one, at least not yet. India has no need to commit an overt one, they are more focused on covert genocides. The current genocide against Sikhs is coming from an infestation of rashtra lovers, who in their thousands and thousands are infestating online media platforms with all sorts of nonsense directed at Sikhs and Muslims.

84? I don't think the Panth learned anything from 1849 onwards.
 
 
Where?
 
 
Glad that you have brought it up. Let's talk about how the original custodians of Sri Akal Takht Sahib, the Buddha Dal., allowed the barring of low-caste Sikhs from Darbar Sahib, and did nothing for years until the Singh Sabha forced them out. If Buddha Dal with all its shastars could let this happen, what chance to mere mortals have?
 
 
As bitter as it sounds, we have to accept the sakhi of Bhai Ghaneya and the fact that Guru Sahib praised him for it. Giving langar (and charity) is done blindly. I don't know how to change that but I would welcome any ideas.
 
 
Sikhs are seeing a genocide again, but it will not be an overt one, at least not yet. India has no need to commit an overt one, they are more focused on covert genocides. The current genocide against Sikhs is coming from an infestation of rashtra lovers, who in their thousands and thousands are infestating online media platforms with all sorts of nonsense directed at Sikhs and Muslims.

Please consider signing this petition and spreading awareness about it on social media. Jaggi runs the neverforget84.com website and has been picked up by ravan sena aka panjab police about a month ago. Respect to this brother who has done so much in keeping the information of 1984 accessible for the wider public.
UK govt as usual is showing how weak they are in assisting british citizens of colour abroad.
 
https://www.change.org/p/mp-justice-for-jagtar-singh-johal-juggi

I have started reading this book, and as with all books on partition of Panjab, it makes a VERY depressing read!
I was hoping that this book would have truly reflected the feelings of the Sikh leadership and masses, but it carries a great irritiation from the author that the Sikhs won't accept themselves to be Hindu or part of the wider hindu pantheon. She makes the odd historical mistake here and there, but takes digs at the Singh Sabha and Gurdwara Sudhar Lehars. She also quotes from some quite hideous authors to back up the india-wide assertion that Sikhs were essentially part of the hindu society until the 1880s when they came under the infuence of the British to assert themselves as a separate people. So disappointing.
 
 
 

The mistake of thinking one enemy power subduing or destroying another enemy power is always going to be in your favour.
Nader Shah virtually destroyed Moghal power in Delhi leaving Sikhs able to make claims on Panjab. It worked out .
Native Americans helping the "white man" against other tribes in the hope that they would then possess their native american adverseries lands and hunting grounds. It was a genocide, and they have for all intents and purposes disappeared from the peoples map of the world.
 
I can see you piping up everytime something comes in against islam and/or muslims. Hindutva training. Sikhs in india have left true Sikhi, for their love affair with the indian state.
 
In the past 3 months, ManMohan Singh has dealt with at least 5 cases of Sikh youngsters converting to Islam in the UK. Whether they stay Muslim or not, the fact is that they had no regard or love for Gurmat to even consider that step.
 
But only last week a high ranking police officer was labelled a Khalistani because he objected to a BJP woman breaking the law:
 
 
As long as you kiss their arse, which you KD, seem to be fond of, they will love you as they love their pet dogs. But act against them and you will see their true colours.

The mistake of thinking one enemy power subduing or destroying another enemy power is always going to be in your favour.
Nader Shah virtually destroyed Moghal power in Delhi leaving Sikhs able to make claims on Panjab. It worked out .
Native Americans helping the "white man" against other tribes in the hope that they would then possess their native american adverseries lands and hunting grounds. It was a genocide, and they have for all intents and purposes disappeared from the peoples map of the world.
 
I can see you piping up everytime something comes in against islam and/or muslims. Hindutva training. Sikhs in india have left true Sikhi, for their love affair with the indian state.
 
In the past 3 months, ManMohan Singh has dealt with at least 5 cases of Sikh youngsters converting to Islam in the UK. Whether they stay Muslim or not, the fact is that they had no regard or love for Gurmat to even consider that step.
 
But only last week a high ranking police officer was labelled a Khalistani because he objected to a BJP woman breaking the law:
 
 
As long as you kiss their arse, which you KD, seem to be fond of, they will love you as they love their pet dogs. But act against them and you will see their true colours.

A dangerous path. A mistake made by many over the years.

How generous of the Maharashtra government to "withhold it for broader consultation" !!! The fact that they must have been planning for months before doing it, and to even think about it in the first place shows that their intentions. I'm just glad that on the one side the hazoori Sikhs have kind of woken up to the deceitful nature of the indian states and their regional and central governments. Hopeful one day the delhi sikhs will shake off their slumber as well.

Listen to around 15 mins onwards but specifically around 24:40 to hear the "Buddha Dal jathedars" views on Baba Surjeet Singh
 
 

@jaikaara Why is this hindutva agent not saying anything about this ? He lives there in Nander, and has always pretended to be friendly to any Sikh who is against Khalistan and freedom for Panjab.
 
 
What's Balbir Singh going to do? He can't visit Nander because the Nihangs there hate him. They don't accept him as Jathedar of anything. And it doesn't surprise me. I saw a video of Balbir Singh slandering Baba Surjeet Singh and saying the most stupid things about Surjeet Singh and his beard, claiming that Surjeet Singh kept his beard like a muslim. What kind of drivel is that to come from anyones mouth, let alone a so-called jathedar of Buddha Dal?

Glad to see that some news outlets are taking the issue of assassinations of Sikhs more seriously. If only the british govt would have the same approach but while rishi is in charge that will never happen.

well, the fact the Sikhs are forbidden to eat Halal-meat only.

You're wrong with that one Bhaji, the youth these days cannot digest certain parts of SGPC rehat maryada.

Would you not class Taksalis and nirmalas as scholars bro?

Well, you wrote "Casteism, racism, selfishness will ruin anything"
 
to which I added my experience, in agreeing with you. 

There is no group consensus on Khalistan. Jatts support it and oppose it.  All other castes within the panth do the same. Every Sikh has to take a good, hard look at themselves, and their own behaviour.
Sikhs need to do this on a micro and macro level. I feel Sikhs outside of Panjab in the diaspora are managing this better than those in Panjab, but Panjab is also catching up.
You need to look at your own stupidity as well Dal. And look soon. You haven't changed from 10 years ago. Same turds come out in your posts, with some good posts here and there.
But your image on this forum is of a stupid pendu. Maybe becasue you;ve been locked in with those others on these building sites. 
 
Rather than building character and  mellowing with age, instead your stupidity and crassness is as evident now from your posts 10 years ago.....lol
 
Take a look in the mirror and ask what you see how they have progressed.
 
 
 
My history? My history towards others hasn't been horrendous. What has your history been like?
 
 
Peaks and troughs. I thought you would have known this through your research on Sri Gur Panth Parkash?
 
 
Who said they did? I haven't. But you, being you, said that "peasants had absolutely no problem with welcoming haryani hindu jaats into the quom. The same lot who had murdered and raped countless Sikhs around 84. But apnay peasants were all in a forgiving mood for that when it suited them........lol"
 
And I have already asked you twice to list any of these people who you claim murdered Sikhs in Haryana and then became Sikhs themselves in the Kisaan Andolan. And true to your form, you haven't produced ONE name.
 
Now who would want to be "locked in" with you??
 
 
I know the feeling with you on this forum. take a look in that mirror and ask why I have said that.
 
 
Why? That's just your personal opinion. People have supported others rights to have a country, without being part of that group themselves. What an ignorant thing to say.
 
Not every Sikh is going to be religious and not every Sikh is going to support a Sikh country.  But everyone has a role to play in strengthening the panth and themselves.
 
 
My people? My people are Sikhs who stand for justice from 1699 onwards. I don't thinb any of my people who have murdered other Sikhs for that flag and money.
 
That's just like saying all Tarkhans should be held liable for Zail Singh and the role he played in exacerbating religious and political tension in Panjab on Indira Gandhi's orders. Zail Singh was the President of India, he did a lot for that flag and money.
 
So we should start saying that your people dal, sowed the seeds for conflict in which thousands died in Operation Bluestar and thousands more died in Novermber genocide, and thousands more were killed by the state in false police encounters.
 
 
Well, quite evidently with your stupidity on this forum, you're now "locked in" with me. We are both the sparks that don't shine the brightest on this forum aren't we?
 
You were talking nonsense (daltalk) about how exposure would lead people away, yet you've come straight like a moth of ignorance to a flame of ignorance. How does that feel dal?
 
 
 
For the record, the ONLY gurdwara which I've been asked to leave was a gurdwara belonging to dal's people. And the reason is, they asked me my surname and were expecting to hear a name that tied in with their group of people and I said my surname is singh. They said if you can't tell us your surname you cannot stay here and must leave.
 
I left and was glad I did, because I would have been affected by prolonged exposure to dal and his people and could very easily have turned out to be like dal and his people.....lol