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the worry, the questions are all created by your mind...to create doubt within you. your mind can be your best friend or your worst enemy. for weeks on end my simran us full of bliss...and then hits periods of what feels like nothing...and then the mind starts doubting again... key is to get into selfless simran...to do and not want anything in return...."do with me as you please waheguru" because then you open yourself up to his grace...yes there is that wanting and needing that burns within...but you switch it to...."i am nothing (ego) all is You...i am the dust off your feet, dust of the feet of the whole of creation...do with me as you please" you are sacrificing time during the day and night...sacrificing sleep etc...nothing goes to waste with His simran...

I often do simran on this verse...it helped me a lot. qwqI vwau n lgeI pwrbRhm srxweI ] thaathee vaao n lagee paarabreham saranaaee || The hot wind does not even touch one who is under the Protection of the Supreme Lord God. cauigrd hmwrY rwm kwr duKu lgY n BweI ]1] chougiradh hamaarai raam kaar dhukh lagai n bhaaee ||1|| On all four sides I am surrounded by the Lord's Circle of Protection; pain does not afflict me, O Siblings of Destiny. ||1|| siqguru pUrw ByitAw ijin bxq bxweI ] sathigur pooraa bhaettiaa jin banath banaaee || I have met the Perfect True Guru, who has done this deed. rwm nwmu AauKDu dIAw eykw ilv lweI ]1] rhwau ] raam naam aoukhadhh dheeaa eaekaa liv laaee ||1|| rehaao || He has given me the medicine of the Lord's Name, and I enshrine love for the One Lord. ||1||Pause|| rwiK lIey iqin rKnhwir sB ibAwiD imtweI ] raakh leeeae thin rakhanehaar sabh biaadhh mittaaee || The Savior Lord has saved me, and eradicated all my sickness. khu nwnk ikrpw BeI pRB Bey shweI ]2]15]79] kahu naanak kirapaa bhee prabh bheae sehaaee ||2||15||79|| Says Nanak, God has showered me with His Mercy; He has become my help and support. ||2||15||79||

sukrit, i remember when i first tried to ride a bike without any stabilizers...for a split second i had good balance then the strange sensation of losing balance and going out of control..it's a strange sensation...a new sensation. but we get used to it..and eventually it is second nature and you'll never think about it again...your trust in the process will increase day by day

from my experience, go with it my friend. sometimes you will actually fall asleep..and as soon as you awake, continue with your simran.. other times like you said it feels like body is falling asleep, but your mind is still active and you're very conscious (soul) of it in my experience it is in this state where the wonders start to manifest and you are pulled deeper within. i cannot with effort keep myself in that state...one can only surrender in those moments and enjoy. it is usually a little bit of fear of the unknown that brings you out of that state of mind but with time that will subside.

I have been doing Simran regularly for over 3 years now...thoughts are always there to distract you...they become less...but sometimes all it takes is a turbulent moment in life and thoughts litter your mind during Simran.. but this is ok...it means we have not yet learned to curb negative emotions in life situatons so it helps us determine what we need to work on in a wakeful state. on my short journey s far, there are other distractions, sights and sounds that can distract you...best thing i leant is to just be a 'witness' to the experience...take it in, learn from it, then move on... very easy to get entangled and attached to experiences and then our wakeful day is spent searching the internet for answers to what it was... ridhs and sidhs can start to develop but again..what are we after...Waheguru or desires for supernatural powers? if its supernatural powers, our progress will be halted...if its waheguru, then we keep moving forward...and supernatural powers may still arive but we are now working under wahegurus will...rather than using those supernatural powers for our selfish needs.

excellent read.. although tips like Many saints and yogis say that if your mind remains concentrated on one object for at least 12 breaths ... often leads to focusing on waheguru, and also counting how many breaths you've taken personally i don't think there is any harm in wayward thoughts...in fact they give me an insight into what is bothering me, which of the 5 thieves are manifest more within me and what i need to work on in my daily actions. concentration for me is always just focussing on 'Waheguru' , yes the wayward thoughts will come and go, but providing we retrun back to waheguru, then during the meditation complete single pointed concentration does occur...in fact i feel it is waheguru who pulls us into that place.. God Bless Ji

how does the love for another person develop? can we sit in a pose, do some yoga, breathing techniques to start loving someone? it kinda just happens doesn't it? just develops from within...but maybe if we don;t spend much time with that person we don;t give the opportunity for that love to blossom...so we need to put some dyaan, attention to that person... if we are already contemplating Waheguru, we already have his grace...so we have walked up to the stair case, and we need to decide to walk up or stay on that level. also, if you have any Dukh/pain in your life...tell your Ego which makes your Dukh even worse...that it is not in Control of this life... most people will get upset through Dukh, blame the world, get depressed because they realize they cannot control the life situation and their Ego gets them blaming the world and falling further into darkness...they look for solutions in the outer world 'only'...trying to understand why the dukh has occured and how to solve... the true warrior uses the Dukh to surrender to Waheguru Will, to turn the Dukh into a blessing that helps destroys ones Ego...We fall at waheguru's feet (mentally), Ego reduces and the Love (waheguru) springs forth within your very being... always good to keep some internal dialogue with Waheguru even if you think it is 'crazy'...keep reminding yourself that there is only really Waheguru....only Him...keep imagining that everyone around you is Waheguru and try to serve everyone equally... the love will naturally develop...its guaranteed to

i think if someone is already trying, then they already have his grace... the contemplating, the wondering of what is the truth of reality...it all happens within us...where is it coming from...? is it waheguru prodding us? trying to grab our attention? the only twist we need to make is making sure this doesn't become a desire....a desire for spiritual experiences etc...a desire to become different, better than someone else...to then get pride in our spiritual advancements. when we experience true love with someone else...true love is selfless...we do something not for our own selves (for spiritual advancement, for spiritual experiences) ... but we do something for someone else selflessly, for them, to serve them, to help them. to put their needs before ours...And maybe that is what we need to do....to surrender...and say "waheguru, i am doing this for you...out of my love for you..to remember the truth, to remember you because the world is already so deeply lost in the illusion" Gurbani says Simran is the greatest Seva that someone else can do...and Seva is Serving others...and therefore Simran is only to Server Waheguru (the universe, everything in it and beyond)

from my experience the greatest way to improve meditation for the purpose of waheguru realization is Love....thirst....and surrender... Sri Guru Nanak dev ji said...if you want to play this game of love with me..... so many sights and sounds to entice us in this world...yet the soul thirsts for waheguru...like a husband missing his wife...like a wife missing her husband...a mother missing her child.. this to me is the true driving force... all methods, techniques are still in the realm of maya...love goes beyond...my love will be heard by waheguru, my thirst will be felt by waheguru, the rest is in His hands...and so comes the surrendering to his Will..surrender everything..and with it Ego will start to lose its power on you... just my thoughts ji..

maybe...possibly the soul experiences during Simran, and then the mind asks a million questions during the day about what it might have been...and soon these experiences become a distraction because we become attached to them...i often fall into this trap. concentrate on your simran daily..or as much as you can... you may experience things that completely change the way you see the world...it will never be the same again...so just enjoy and briefly try to understand the experience then keep going forward if your inner vision / inner eye activates then you will be blessed with many sites and sounds...just enjoy but keep telling waheguru ji that you are not interested in all the distractions...you want to be closer to Him...

i think the seeing of light occurs when the inner eye/third eye starts to activate. usually during Simran the mind is filled with light of various colors, Purple is often seen when attention is placed towards the third eye, and i think once you start making more progress towards Waheguru, this light start to get whiter and whiter

these are excellent videos we can also use to help us on our way...i've really enjoyed listening to these videos and others that i've seen in the past. but there is one thing which i feel is very important...there are many 'awakened souls' around the world that have a heightened perception of truth reality... but my deepest thoughts tells me that only Shabad guru can take us to the highest experience of truth reality...on the shabad has the power to take us to the awareness of Waheguru. but there are many awakened souls that are helping people climb the ladder to various heights...so to speak.. God Bless Ji

Well it seems there is discussion into whether Guru Nanak Dev ji was God himself.... if there is discussion about it then people are wondering if he was or wasn't Only God exists...Gurbani is very clear about it...therefore Guru Nanak Dev ji was.... therefore We all are...therefore everything is... only our Ego gives us a feeling of being seperate...Ego is amazing in that it allows the experience of the 'many' and allows us to have so many experiences as a seperate entity (illusion)...but problem is in this age Ego is stronger than the knowledge of 'God is the only entity' ... therefore majority of people question Gods existance...and run around aimlessly.. Ego has us fooled and Ego makes us forget of who we really are (God...all of us, and everything, and everything beyond...unlimited) therefore the Question of 'Was Guru Nanak God himself' is mute...He Was...because Ego was at a complete minimum and connection from the Ego (individual state) to the supreme state was 100% formed. We all have that capability...and thats what Simran is For..Simran - remembering... Just my thoughts about what Gurbani states...nothing more..

i think when you are deep in Simran, remain in his hands...surrender to His greatness, and from my limited experience i feel there are no boundaries, no limits to the possibilities...

maybe i am getting confused here... but surely gurbani explains this clearly.... there is 'only' God...nothing else.... only god takes form, then leaves form...he comes as a tree, a person, an animal, an insect...as the fisherman...and the fish...as the air, as the fire...all is him... he creates his creation and then enjoys it... it is only our ego sense which makes us think He is something seperate...that I am Me, and God is He...two seperate entities...but it is all an illusion...in this age of kalyug the sense of Ego is HUGE...where these bubbles of God consciousness question walking through endless life cycles have completely forgotton their true selves (God) and now question the existence of God...through ignorance...so now we hate each other, fight each other, back stab each other...want more money than the other...etc etc etc through Simran we can reduce the ego sense...and as that reduces...God Blossoms forth. It was 'and is' always God that was here all along, Simran(remembering) awakens us to our true reality...god consciousness...that all is Him...that we may see what the Guru Ji's saw....God and nothing but God...and then maybe we can return to loving one another (god), helping one another (God) not competing with one another (God)..etc etc It is not just a saying when we say 'See god in all' ... one day we will literally 'See god in all' what an amazing creation...we cannot even fathom it...our Ego will not allow us to...only hearing his Shabad can pull our attention from being ignorant, back to seeing Him.

where there is no Ego....only God remains...

urm, i think i'll just stick with the 'sitting on the couch' meditation lol sometimes that is also like a rollercoaster

Any fear will prevent you from from having a full OBE...the fear will bring you back. but like any fear..it dissolves once you've tried something a few times...you get used to it... i get scared before getting on a roller coaster...the second time it's less scary...and then after it's not scary at all...as you get used to the sensations.. Also...maybe your fear of height is due to a sum of your physical senses? you might not feel those same sensations when you OBE with your astral body. Simran is 'remembering'... so if we need to 'remember' something it means we have forgotton something...something that we used to do before... so you will surely get the hang of it...because you've done it before...but have just forgotton

Nice answer ji, For me i feel sudden moments of emotion of sadness etc occur during stages of surrender to Guru Ji... for all my efforts, for all my thirst, for all my Simran in the early hours...i myself (ego) cannot make anything happen...i myself (Ego) cannot find that door where Darshan of Waheguru will occur...where do i go...? and in those moments i fall at his feet and surrender...and call out for a helping hand...and more often than not it is in those moments where i suddenly feel pulled in close to Him...

i remember the first time i got onto a Bike...my balance was not very good so i kept falling, became fearful at this new experience and doubted i could actually keep myself on the bike for longer than a couple of seconds...then one day almost miraculously i kept my balance and started riding the bike...the fear vanished. your mind will adjust in Simran and you'll get 'used to it' and bit by bit your fear will diminish.....guaranteed

Well ji harsharan ji said "It is only by the power of Shabad Guru, that one can cross this region, by holding on to it, and reach Sach Khand." Is anything happening to you that could even remotely resemble what harsharan ji is describing... Read Guru Ji's excitement, joy, wonder, amazement when Guru Ji talks about riding the waves of shabad and getting darshan of Waheguru.... if you cannot relate to those things then chances are you are not hearing the Shabad Guru...if there is any doubt in mind as to what you are experiencing then in my opinion, the wonder has yet to manifest fully...so keep going and one day you will probably 'just know'

agree with everything you say.. but we must pay very close attention to the following: 'Without the True Guru, no one has found Him; reflect upon this in your mind and see' http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=112 Through the Word of the Guru's Shabad, the Lord is found; without the Shabad, people wander, deceived by doubt. http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=110 So although 'deep down' we already know the way there, under the deep illusion we are in, the way cannot be seen. The Ego sense is so strong in all of us even the ones doing Astral travelling, that one cannot find their way themseves...only the Shabad Guru from our original source has the power to take us to the primal state, nothing else...the moment we think we can do this ourselves, it is a sure sign we are still very much in Ego existance. We will spend years trying to go higher under Ego illusion...getting frustrated, having some joy, then more frustration...in the end only inner complete surrender (destruction of Ego) will allow us to hear the shabad that will literally 'pull' us through all layers...shabad is all by His grace and by His grace only...

thanks for the reply Satkirin, Always a pleasure to read your posts... some quick questions when you get a moment. you said "The direct experience with God comes from the realization that you yourself are formless... that everything is ONE, everything is the same one universal field of consciousness... therefore, the DOER in all of us is one and the same" " It's not a direct experience... but more the knowledge that the subtle bodies are just more vehicles" In all of your OBE's and Astral Travelling...have you experienced that formlessness? and therefore direct experience of GOD/your higher self? No...as you said it is NOT a direct experience but just helps in knowledge...creating a deeper theory into what might lie ahead...we still don;t know what lies ahead..but it gives us a small amount of insight... So Astral travel plays a part...but not to the extent that Bhagat ji is stating...that one can have direct experience of God there... you also said "You can experience this when you go higher (just look up a map to the planes of existence, the higher you go, the more detached and less 'personal' you become... until in the highest of realms, you actually experience ONEness." So in reality you have stated yourself that you cannot experience formless reality (god/higher self) in the Astral realm...Astral realm is only a part of the journey ahead... and through your OBE's and astral travelling...how do you intend to get to these higher realms where you will become even more subtle until finally you dip into the ultimate reality, your higher self...and the formless forever existing God Consciousness? Are there road signs in the Astral Realm? where to go? how will you get there? and why have you not got there already? so as Gurbani says, your faith, dyaan, attention, focus must be on the Shabad...on Naam Simran...on your interanal Guru / Guide...as the Shabad is the ONLY thing that can take you beyond physical, Astral, Causal, and whtever else there may be...because it comes from the SOURCE...it already knows the way home. So for all the excitement and possibility of OBE's and Astral travelling...we cannot through our own efforts wandering in these realms find our way to the SOURCE by ourselves...only GURU can take us there. And this is the reason why gurbani keeps things very clear and concise...surrender Ego to Waheguru, and put our minds on the Shabad via Naam Simran which will be our Sat Nav. that should in my opinion be our only aim and effort...to put our arm out and surrender in the hope Guru Ji (shabad) comes and pulls us up... wandering in the Astral Realm without our Guru/Guide will not get us any closer to Waheguru...in Fact we are more likely to get lost just like in this world without Guru/Guide because we are still influenced by the 5 thieves there also

two people with different mindsets can have very different views and experience whilst occupying the same street, town, city... someone paranoid sitting in the same room as someone that isn't will generate a completely different experience of that same situation... so do you think your mindset, state of mind will impact what you experience there? a place where they say in many astral travel journals and books that your thoughts manifest waaaay faster than here on earth...what will manifest around you...what will you attract..what will you see... therefore my friend...Naam Simran...and daily control of your 5 thieves and actions.. Naam Simran will open everything up for you, and you will be in the right frame of mind to advance and experience all that God has created and beyond.. Just my thoughts ji... a Very interesting subject indeed:)

i will read the book...sounds interesting.. however lets agree to disagree here... i will hold my opinion that the 'complete' experience/darshan of Waheguru (the formless) cannot be comprehended nor fully experienced in the 'form' for which the Astral realm is still part of...one must go beyind all form to have darshan of waheguru in formless (and the formless is the true aspect of waheguru that will not come to an end ever... so all these wonderful books of people describing the Astral Realm with great detail and clarity and thinking they have experienced the complete 'truth' 'waheguru' in the Astral realm, i will always refuse to believe that. I ask you this...all the juicy stuff in Gurbani...Guru Ji exploding with joy, bliss, love when darshan of Waheguru is described...why do you think they couldn;t describe this in great detail? Astral travellers do a great job in describing their travells, write these amazing books full of detail...but Guru Ji couldn;t describe darshan of waheguru in all His spledour to us in great detail... That should give us a hint...where the shabad will take us i am guessing, cannot be described...you cannot describe the formless with language and descriptions. Therefore giving people the idea that they can experience the complete truth in the Astral alone in my opinions is false... like saying on my journey from the midlands to london, i can stop off in Oxford and exerience London...people start to think about oxford too much, and forget that is not where they will experience london...and if you're having trouble in getting to london...ask a friend to come up and show you the way down (shabad Guru)