sukrit kaur

I've not made any progress.I dont know much about my consciousness while meditating.But yes I've suffered pain.Initially,the pain was too much,now it does hurt but a little than earlier.Pain is of entire body.My entire body aches especially arms,legs and my forehead.There are some other pains too,but I think these are related to my poor health. I dont stay healthy.I'm suffering with illness from past 3 years.So,I'm not sure whether this pain has something to do with meditation.

Really a BIGGG WOWWWW!! Really Gurbani,the answer of everything!!! Waho waho BAanii Nirankaar haiii!!!!

Yes That's the end of discussion!!! WJKKWJKF!!

Then I can't answer further.I'm at a very low awastha to question the fact? WJKKWJKF!!

Veer Ji, Why are you talking about a wife's duty towards her husband again and again??No one is denying this truth/point.The point is Should Man respect their wives too?? As I think a wife makes a lot of sacrifices for the sake of her husband. Just give a simple answer and end the discussion.

I've not read the Rehatnaama yet,so can't put any view.But ,has this mentioned in Rehatnaama to NOT respect wife as a Devi??

This is because In entire Gurbani,a Jeev (as atma) is considered as a female.Hence,we think so. No person other than True master/lord is considered as a Male in gurbani.

Here you are totally right!! But the maryadas should be the true ones as possesed by Guru Ji or the great saints of time.The definition of TRUE maryada shouldn't be changed.(Here I'm not attacking anyone)

But you no where said that a husband should respect her wife as A DEVI too.??

O JEEZ!! You know there is never the end of bias.The bias can go on and one and one.Please any other wise member (especially than me) Join the discussion and just END It!!!!

Yes exactly..But paapiman veer ji your answer is still little controversial. So ,a male shouldn't treat his wife as a Devi?

So, Paapiman veer ji ,you agree that the core idea of Tuk is to love the true master as the supreme power?

I'm not against Translation.But translation is not always the core idea. Yes ,it's self-explanatory as the other members explained too. Hope it ends the bias here!

[What did you mean by this?] I mean I'm not trying to act as a brahmgyani here.As you stated ," ["So you think, you are above Gurmukh Brahamgyanis of the panth, who changed the lives of hundreds of thousands of humans like us??? " ] Quote Yes you're right satkirin penji. Wrong interpretation of Gurbani has been pointed out! That's really good!! Unquote Who did the wrong interpretation of bani? I think You're trying (Maybe By mistake) to change the true meaning.Don't GO to the straight translation.This is not the whole description.

@satkirin bhen ji, I think it's all his grace to differentiate right or wrong.I think Paapiman is trying to express his views in a different manner.Biasing is not the solution.we can't change anyone's views. Acc to Gurbani ,Akal Purkh is the only Nar-Male and everybody else is called a NARI-female. Now,this Doesnt mean any gender difference or so as pointed out by us nor does it mean any superiority of one gender over the other. Our beliefs are based on worldly definitions ,not based on divinity.Sikhi doesn't mean to follow a set of rules laid down by some man made committees or organisations.(Here I'm not attacking any particular one). When we start doing Naam Kamai,then we start understanding Gurbani in the true perspective. As talking about equality of men and women,Women have given many Human Rights.But As a true Sikh,we Beliebve GURBANI.It's our duty to abide the teachings of Gurbani. Guru Nanak Patsah has said There are no differences between men and women.The following phrases are well explaining the fact: Purk mih Nwir Nwir MIH Purk bujhu brahm IgawnI(woman is in man,and man is in woman,only great intellectuals can understand this phenomenon) Acc to science,presence of X chromosome in woman from father,explains man in woman.and presence of X chromosome in man from mother explains woman in man.and combination of both X puts responsibility on woman,since she is the mother of humanity of future. Guru Nanak Patsah has highest praise for women and also has indicated her importance in raising the humanity: Bhand Jamiye BHand nimiye Bhand Mangan viahh, Bhandau hove Dosti BHandau chaley Rah Bhand MuA bhand bhaleeye Bhand hovey Bandaan So kyo manda akhiiye jit jammey Rajan Bhandai Hi Bhand UPJay Bhandau Bhaaj na koye Nanak Bhandey Bahara eko sacha soye (From woman,man is born;within woman man is conceived, to woman he is engaged and married.Through woman,generations come.when his woman dies,he seeks other woman,to woman he is bound.So why call her bad?from her,Kings are born.from woman ,woman is born,without woman no one at all.O Nanak,only a true lord is without a woman) One of the strongest argument of opposing force is Menstrual cycle.Guru Nanak patsah says menstruation doesnt make a woman polluted,since it's a natural and necessary process of woman's physiology: Jive Joru sirNAavnaey aavey vaaro Vaar(as a woman has her periods month after month) Juthey jutha Mann vasey,nit nit hoye khuaar(so does the falsehood dwell in the mouth of false, they suffer forever again and again.) Suchey Aihey Na Aakhiye behan je pinda dhoye(They are not called pure,who merely sit after washing their bodies) Suchey seyI Nanaka ,jin mann vaseya soye(only they are pure,within whose minds the lord abides) Sutak kyo kar rakhiye sutak pavey Rasoye(How can it be protected from impurity,it touches our own kitchen) Nanak Sutak aaev Na uttrey,gyan uttarey dhoye(o Nanak,impurity can only be washed with spiritual wisdom) So there is no difference between Men and women.Both are ought to respect each other .Husband-Wife relationship is a spiritual relation.Both need to respect each other.Guru sahib respected their wives a lot and same did the wives. We can't question anyone's particular views on this relationship.No doubt ,Wives MUST respect their husbands and Husbands should do so.I think to just bias over the topic is not worthwhile.One who will disrespect the guru's order,will be punished for his mistake. If a wife is respecting her husband with all efforts,then she is well doing her karam. And yes it's duty of a wife.On contrary,if husband is not doing so,then he is too conducting his karam. I think we should stop the discussion Now!

Where did I say so? Show me! I just said the gurbani's tukh was really interpreted and that somehow was showing a wrong message.Targetting my ownself,I said so.Just think,If I were not little aware of it,then following the message as your post gave(to LOVE the husband as sati did),would lead me to a wrong path,definitely to the world of MOH MAYA.I'm not talking about Bowing/respect here.To show respect is a different matter,but to love someone as much as Sati did,is totally a form of Moh Maya.In my view,Yes It's obligation of both partners to respect each other and to show solidarity in each situation,but to love Husband/Wife as SATEE did,is not right.Just imagine,If she would have loved God instead of her husband,then She would be much and much fortunate and that would be the real source of satisfaction. Satisfaction of love! That was just my view.I wrote I'm not sure,cause I was not a Brahmgyani.Even ,I dont want to think/talk about it.It's like a flea of gutter talking about Nectar of richest orchids. So,I just wanted to discuss the tuk .That was a kind of question to the sangat.And I'm not interested in doing bias over it.here,fiction is really not my idea!

I dont know why ,but that made me LOL.As I think,This is the True Maya/illusion.This is a Big trap of Kal to deciet a soul by creating doubts.When such question arises in anyone's mind,leads to doubting the stature of true Brahmgyani.Why the most of souls like me are still wandering in search of a true satpursh.? This is the main reason.Maya has created a such trap,a such network that we become so suspicious and our minds start doubting every object.Only, with grace of waheguru,this is understandable.When a TRUE BRAHMGYANI shows his mercy,then the lucky one is true winner of this game and then he can well understand the reality.But Then he becomes silent.Silent in name of God! And still it's a puzzle for others.

Yes you're right satkirin penji. Wrong interpretation of Gurbani has been pointed out! That's really good!!

As I finished writing, and posted the above post,satkiran ji had already posted so.LOL.BTW,Correction has been done!

What I think about the meaning of shabad is little different. As per my thinking,Gurbani focuses on one's true love only and only towards satnaam/parbrahm/almighty/satguru.Gurbani is the key/way to liberate the soul from Trap of Moh.I think to show infinite love towards any human being whether a wife or husband,brother or sister ,anyone is totally against the true message of Gurbani.So,how can Gurbani encourage to show infinite love towards spouse. Here,I think SATEE is the soul(as female) irrespective of gender.So guru sahib says Kaho Nanak jin preyo parmeshar kar janea, means the one (as a female soul) who loves her True husband (satpursh/waheguru) as the greatest mighty 'ALMIGHTY' is the true satee.Here The wife is soul( begging for meeting his beloved one),Husband his True pursh and is referred as ' PARMESHAR' ,The supreme Soul/waheguru. So such Loving soul is the true Satee,and she is blessed one ,and gets honor in the court of akal purkh. So,Gurbani tells to love only one being,not to show love or get trapped in moh maya with husband,wife or any thing else. Gurbani warns us to leave all worldy affections.So such Husband -wife affection as that Satee had,is too a form of MoH maya.Gurbani is against it. (May be I'm wrong.Please do correct me If I do so!) Gur fateh!

Yes you are right veer ji.Guru sahib and Guru Baani is the answer of everything,but still some ppl like me are too ignorant.There are many shabads in Gurbani,which talk about hell and jamdoots.(BTW ,Video was veryyyy much frightening) May Guru Nanak patsah shows his divine blessings upon us by opening of tenth gate and we get sehaj anand as per tuk: Adisatt Agochar Parbrahm,Mil saadu Akathh kathaya tha(the supreme lord is imperceptible and unfathomable; and on meeting the holy saint I speak the unspoken speech) Anahad Shabad Dasam Dwar Vajeo,Teh Amrit Naam CHuaaya tha(the unstruck sound current of shabad vibrates nad resounds in the tenth gate and ambrosial nectar trickles down there) I think we are too lucky,for having birth with such wisdom to differentiate between good and bad & Gurbani is the most precious and biggest gift of Almighty.May waheguru Ji makes our lives worthwhile and every loving soul reach the destination ,they are looking for. WAH-HE-GURU!! Milabae Ki Mehma Baran Na saaku,Nanak Parae PAreela(The great honour of meeting the lord cant be described;O Nanak its infinite and beyond measure)

Lol..I Just took the full benefit of free time I had...Actually I managed to do so.lol..my exam is on 17..I wanted to finish it in one day ,so that I can give continous time to my studies..BTW, I appreciate your words.Thank you for your cooperation.You enjoy the meal and I take some time to serve the next one.Sorry for creating rush.. Gur fateh!

PART 4: The question was what happens to the souls without NAAM ,so here is the answer. When death arrives,any disease can be the reason.Death comes by any cause.some say heart stops working,some say this nd that.No death without any cause. When Soul leaves the body,swaas stops.The consciousness leaves the body too. When rooh starts leaving pind(region below eyes),and comes in ANDD(above palate region .Body dies in a sequential manner just like destruction of universe/sarishti. So when death arrives,first of all GUDDA CHAKKAR gets destroyed,here is the element of land.Prithvi chakkar meets Indri chakkar,so water dissolves the land(soil)here.Then NABI chakkar,with element of fire.when Indri chakra breaks,it meets the Nabi chakra nd Fire dries the water.above it ,is the HIRDA CHAKKAR,or shiv chakkar,here is the element of air.when Nabi chakra breaks,then air destroys fire and air meets akash.Now atma comes in ANDD. When death arrives,entire consciousness comes in ANDD and the reward of all birth's karams comes in mind/budhhi.Next birth is based on this..Without NAAM,everything is filth.So mind filled with filth ,gets caught by kaal.what an unfortunate soul! Came from sachkhand and going with Kaal.Now,Time for death and kaal is calling come here .here is the way,come here! This is the condition when pran comes out of PINDD leaving Nine gates. Guru is on right side and kaal on left side.There was no NAAM/Satguru ,so no one comes to save the soul. Now ,No other way and a voice comes from upward COme here!nd the soul is in mouth of kaal!Only the true guru/NAam is the true saviour.Without NAAm,who will help you? No one! When KAal chews the soul in his jaws,the water flows through eyes, and There is discharge of feces.Now, this time can't be described again. All intestines are worthless.So this is the purpose of meditation/NAAM kamai/sharan of satguru.It is the only way to be safe from such severe pain.Without true NAAM,jaamdoots carries the soul by holding his ears.No one can help then.No brother,sister,mother,no one!only a true naam can save the soul.Now soul is in hands of jamdoots and the responsibility of family members ends.Now its the time to Take reward of karams. (To be continued)

PART 3:(very much interesting) Now here are the answers of hirda. Says O heart! What is the relation between soul and waheguru.who is true master? what this soul belongs to? Across Trilok,fourth mahal is SACHKHAND,the highest realm,the true master of all true naam,all khands and brahmands,whole creation.This soul belongs to satnaam.some say soul belongs to brahm,some say this ,some say that.But all are wrong.vedas didnt go beyond brahm ,nor the vedas know anything beyond brahm.but this jeev belongs only and only to satnaam. Our souls belong to satnaam,but when they entered kaal's world,they wore the coat of five elements.and cage of five elements (body) was created.soul was trapped in thia cage and mind was introduced to act as security personnel.All game is of mind.Only a true satpursh catries the soul with force,otherwise this mind doesnt allow him to think about it. In beginning,soul started its journey from sachkhand.It entered brahm from sachkhand.First,came the bhawar GHUfA.here hindus did jaap of 'sohang' and muslims of' ANNA-HU'.Anna hu means' I'm same as him.'.when soul reaches bhawar gufa,then it meets master of satlok.like,garbage on meeting ocean says I belong to ocean,In same manner,soul says (on having divine vision of master) I'm soul and he is my master. All souls are living very far from true master.souls are crying and begging.But all are trapped by kaal/brahm.Only saints know the true mystery.saints themselves give the hint,nd then themselves become silent. Beside a true saint,all are veryyy far to know this mystery. Now,kaal has trapped souls (all-human,animals,birds,everyone)in prison of mind.Man has become vey ignorant about his true world.he even doesnt know from where he came,and where he will go.he is just dancing here and there in different forms.sometime bird,sometime animal and so on.Kaal cant create souls nor he can destroy.He has only borrowed the souls from satnaam after doing tapasya of several yugs. Now,mind as security personnel, is the head of Pind and enters the jeev atma in Pind. Then created the betrayal world.Rishi compiled the veda nd after listening no one even thought about it.Only saint/satpursh explains the reality.Balmiki did true kamai,and compiled Ramayan thousand years before birth of Ram.But Kaal played such game,so that no one can go in nd know the supreme.Only True naam/satpursh can show his mercy and can save a yearning soul.the true master is real father.He us always waiting for his child,but an ignorant being ia not ready for this meeting.. And,soul is wandering in cycle of chaurassi created by Kaal.All are trapped in this jaal of chaurasi .everyone.All rishi-muni ,avatars,Devi nd other deities. And the soul is dancing on the rythm of Karams.when good karam come,get pleasures and when bad karam come,get pains.As karam,as reward. Everyone is a victim of different jaal.some of greed,some of this and some of that.It's a very complex mystery. If had some good karams,then enters heaven and enjoyed mukti for some while.But then bad karams come and gets this human body and suffers pain.Then bad karams, carry to Narak nd then again apin.All game of kaal.Gives man swarag and narak nd just use him as a puppet.He can provide salvation.But this mukti is for a particular time,then again have to come.TRue salvation is forever,and only provided by true naam/satpursh. Like,A lamp gives no light on covering it with a thick curtain.nd starts giving light on removing it.In same manner,soul is a part/ansh of satnaam.In brahm,it's light was of 12 suns nd in satlok of 16 suns.But on getting trapped by maya,no light! Nobody has any existence without karams.Sun,moon,stars,earth all are staying under effect of karams .So,insects,birds,animals all are under karams.No body without karam and no karam without body.This is the rule from the day universe was created. Once,Lord krishna told Uddo pointing a moving insect that it's been made brahma and indra for several times.When Kings of heaven can be given birth as insects,then what will be the condition of others? No place is without karam.Nine khand,14 lok all are under karams. (To be continued)

PART 2 KAAL KAAN KEY MARAG LAI,YA BIDH TAN KAI MAHE SAMAI: Inward behind the ears are two paths which enter through the ears: Right side belongs to saints and left side belongs to Kaal.There is a place (inside),where the soul stops.Kaal comes and carries the soul there. JAB VA DORR KO PAKARE JAYI,SANT SURAT KI BAITHAK BAHI: Kaal on left side and guru on right side.when kaal wants to carry the soul with him,then what is role of sat pursh has explained further. VAHI SATGUR KI BAITHAK PAASA,DORI SHAAR HOYE KAAL NIRAASA: When kaal wants to carry the soul,then immediately,the great pursh/satguru sitting on right side saves the soul from mouth of Kaal. PRANI SATGUR KI SUDH LAAVE,DORI SHAANR KAAL ALGAAVE: Like,When any stranger passing through a forest with fear of a thief nd a brave man saves him,then he gets very happy.In same manner when kaal arrives nd soul meditates on naam ,then that true guru in form of naam comes and saves him. (Now I'm gonna write only explanation skipping the shabad) Persons ,who had true naam in their heart ,did meditation,had true love towards their true guru ,are saved.kaam even can't come close to such beings.These are really great souls. Now true guru comes and carries the soul by uniting it with his soul. All Souls without Naam get eaten by kaal .When true guru Holds the soul,then kaal has to srun away with empty hands. Now surat meets the Shabad nd reaches the final station 'NIJ GHAR'.The final station comes according to our kamai. This all story is for Naam abhiyasis. Kaal doesnt leave anyone.There is only one way to get rid of this cycle,that is only naam.Yogi become skeleton doing tapsaya,but finally kaal eats.No one can be saved without NAAM. Now heart/hirda is questioning what happens to the souls without naam .what does happen to manmukhs?how their pran leaves the body?where are they carried after death? Says the entire world is in hands of kaal.how kaal carries the souls to his place and how he treats them? World is so ignorant.Even no one knows who is the true master.They worship the kaal and kaal eats them. They even dont know from where theyare brought and what's their true goal. Mind is trapped by cage of five elements. Now soul is praying for true knowledge.He is begging for wisdom and to remove all doubts.he is praying o true master ,show me the right path to save myself from kaal.There is only one way to be saved from kaal,and that only way is NAAM.KAal plays a wonderful game.he himself gives pains and pleasures.He himself kills and himself eats.Now here is description how kaal plays his wonderful game.