KAAL

i dnt believe in this bullshit caste system but, but, but y shouldnt you realise that they exist? thats like sayin that doctors dont exist nor lawyers etc, actually i wrote an email out for a friend to give to her friend on this subject , i will clean it up (get rid of all swear words) then post it up.

After Marriage there Karma becomes 1, so for instance, you or ur partner become ill, in hospital say, they r unable to their nitnem, you would do their nitnem as well as your own. Or if they do a Khret, say again cutting their hair (cud b 4 medical reason, i.e. operation etc) you would both have to go the Panj Pyarre and you both would have to take the saja the Panj Pyarree would give you.

just back from seeing my girlfriend (just winding you up all up! ) Baba i like wot you have to say, but disagree strongly with some of your wording, 'surpress' i really dont like that word at all, and it isn't in sikhi anywhere, we dont need to 'supress' anything, we need to learn to control not to supress. one of the most direct ways to control ur kaam, is marraige (not jus me sayin but nuff bajrugs (old people) in da gurdwara sayin it). Now you have to see these bajurgs are coming to the end of their lives, everything you are goin to see tommorow they are saw last week! listen to them and learn, they dont just say these things randomly and becasue it is the thing to say, its because they have been through it so they know. You cant touch these Bajurgs on practical knowledge about life, cause we are all still in theroies, while they have done the practical and just packing up their stuff to leave the classroom. I am a great fan of star trek, a very very very big fan of star trek something i knw about the borg they have no heart, they just supress all the weakness where no one can find them as in the enemy. why cant they defeat the humans, they r superior in everyway, they have absorbed knwoledge of countless lifeforms they even know about the humans, there gentic makeup the skmatics of there ships, but why cant they ever beat them, because they have heart, passion, they feel. Yes i would most definatly class them as borg aswell if it wasnt for 1thing u mentioned LOVE,they r not borg, the feel, they have passion, they have qualties far beyond borg technology. you mentioned the 5 vices, you do seva, simran, you give daswand, why do you do that? it isnt to supress your feelings, its there to make you understand what these feelings are, and how you cant control it. i also agree to you saying this is a dead thread where every1 sticks to their guns. as long as you have sharda and pyaar in your heat then ask mahraaj wot he thinks, he will put you on the path you need to follow

Sorry for my ignorance but must have missed this post, baba i gotta disagree wid u here, for procreation and soley for procreation, from how i understood it was u do wid ur mrs is urs and ur mrs business, no1 else, this thing about soley for procreation is utter crap, 1 of the reasons u live in grishti in the time of kaljug is to get get rid of kaam, if u d oit soley for procreation i am sorry but logically that will jus make u a more kaami person, (sorry to use the pun) its like havin ur cake and not eatin it. u cant go round sayin we get married to soley procreate! Wot u think sikhi is, a human makin factory?? wot u think we are? Robots? u watch star trek?? i think u been watchin too much, u beginin to sound like the borg. 'u will b assimlated! ressitance is futile'

Wen u wid sum1 and its lust, u tell me wot else u do if u dnt F**k their life aswell as urs, dont b so nieve to think its sex and kids, its in general, wud u wanna marry a girl who has been checkin x amount of guys, i knw i wudnt and if u sayin u wud, gud on ya, trus me there aint many of u out there, and if like me u urself hav been out wid x amount of girls (years bak mind u) and still want a girl who aint been out or nufin wid no1 then ur a hypocrite, trus me there r loads of us out there, at the end of day it cums dwn to izzat, and if u aint got that then no1 wants to knw u let alone get married to u. So wen its luv, everythin is taken into consideration, u do everyfin u do wid izzat, not wen its lust, cause in those situations u dnt care whos watchin and wot ppl think. b4 u ansa if u been there and done that then cum bak to me otherwise dnt botha, yes i hav thats y i am sayin.

i think all tuks need to be applied in context of the whole shabad and secondly they need to be researched as into when and which situation mahraj was writing them in. its just like those who neglect the raag of a shabad will not truely understand how maharaj is trying to express his point also translations are not accurate as u lose a lot of the inital meanings a single tuk can b manipulated in favour of wot u r sayin, so it wrong in 1 sense to jus quote a single tuk. wot do the rest of u think?

naam dirr is a belief which was taken by the akj from the namdharis whos name obviously means those who have adorned the naam !! naam dharna naam dhari. also known as kooke.. as they kook when doing simran. also similiar to modern akj style.. so its obvious where the idea was taken from. At the end of the day simran is simran, and sayin that my way of doin simran is betta then urs. I dnt think it is right that u shud hav a room where only certain 'sikhs' can go if they had this special amrit tht the panj pyare giv naam dridh, in one sense wot bout the panj pyare that gave u amrit, u guru that gave u the gurmantar, sikhi the gurmantar isnt like a toy which can b upgraded and changed to suit u, and the ppl who have told u that u shud it isnt right of them to b putin peer presure on u to go and take amrit again (cause thats wot u hav to do)

Wow, thats all i can say been readin these posts, and u guys have put sum quotes up from mahraaj. maal kai maanai roop kee sobhaa eith bidhhee junum guvaaeiaa ||1|| rehaao || Translation:You are wasting this life in the pride of wealth and the splendor of beauty =lust "Aisaa Kaam Mooleh Na Keejeh, Jit Ant Pachotaiyeh" "Dont EVER do any such deed, that you will regret in the end" =lust so blatently LUST not luv, LUST = u F**K up their life aswell as ur own based soley on looks, reputation etc LUV = the person u get to knw and from ur heart wana spend the rest of ur life wid!

i knw u said dnt quote ya, but i saw this on da website, that shastervidya.org, where he offers this challange, to this uptej singh guy i got that from the website from that i think he sayin they did duel but uptej singh is sayin he beat him and niddar singh sayin he neva beat him, huuumm this elusiv video will tell all. :? http://www.shastarvidiya.org/htmls/challenge2.html (thats the link)

Very gud post thanx but dnt agree wid this part:

My dad always says that if u c a kirtani doin kirtan and u really enjoy it, dont go up to them. cause wen they not behind the mic u may end up findin stuff out about them i.e. the way they tok, there rehni behni, the way they act, nefin, and if u dnt like that person u will loose respect for them, as soon as u do that nethin they say u will loose respect for be it may the truth (Guru Jee's Bani), that is our human side which does it by default. My friend listen to wot he says if he speaks the truth (Gurbani) then listen and respect it, dnt get too close! From the evidence this guy does seem like a fake. huuuuuuummmmm i been thru all the links and read them carefully.

Baba find out about the art of shaster vidya, and compare it to main stram gatka, take away the chatka the sukha, take away even the nihangs, jus look at the art, and compare both. From wot i seen, this 'mainstream gatka' as u put it is a art in its own way, very big, very colouful, veryartistic. From wot i hav seen of shastervidiya the 'art' its very rough, very dirty (i mean not colouful and woah displays), very quick, and can b over within in a second. Basically 1 hit kills, and the aim is to kill, not to hurt not to injure not to display but to kill. i dnt do it myself, but this topic has been debated so i decided to do sum research myself, this is wot i saw of the 'art' urm not 'defending' these 'nihangs' but i think the reason they still practice the art off chopin the head of a goat cus like nethin, if u dnt practice u will forget. can a nihang pls verify this?? :? or ppl out there go out and do ur own research! xcept if ur a elephant cause they never forget nethin lol

Thanx steel bangle, but i think mc hammers pants were cool man 8) and ppl who dnt wear kachere r probably thinkin wot the hell are these kachera, wid a vision of mc hammers pants, just trust us, wen u got them on properly they look like normal shorts that go to ur knees. :twisted: 8) :shock:

Oh sorry forgot to mention the nala it goes round ur waist and acts as a belt, so it holds ur kachera up! cause not only putin a knot in ur kachera will hold ur kachera up, u can still make it loose, PPL HATE TO ADMIT THAT but its TRUE!!, but if u wrap it round ur waist it holds up all the kachera and u dnt rely on a little knot 8)

this argument, about hair and nails, U do remove dead hair from ur body as u do wid da dead part of the nail, wen u comb ur hair, u r brushin out all dead hair in ur head c. aswell as keepin the hair healthy and clean!

That my friend is up 2 u, if it is ne 1 who r u to say nefin to them bout 'x' and if it was ur best mate u hav every right to warn them, cause they ur best mate, not jus sum 1 u knw My dad always told me: Never talk bad about ne1 behind their bak, and Never tok about wot ne1 does gud to their face, Behind their back its nidiya, and shud always been done to their face Tokin gud to their face can giv them ego, so u shud always praise them behind there back.

its gives the snugness and hold of tight underwear but yet the loosness of boxers, also it is very hot in india, it is made of cotton very light material, it covers ur manhood without being embarisin to urself or the other sex, it is long enuf (traditional is up to dwn to ur knee) to b worn in the presence of public with out causin ne sort of discomfort or ppl complainin about obsecenity. Also b4 u hav mahraaj's (Guru Granth Sahib Jee) darshan u r meant to have panj ishnaan (where u was ur face, hands, feet, back, and chest) so u didnt worrk about ur clothes getin wet cause tradionally u didnt wear trousers (cause of heat) it was more practical to wear shorts or for sikhs kashera. wen u sit and do seva of mahraaj u didnt also wear trousers, cause the bottom of ur trousers wud get dirty jus from walkin and u kickin up dust. Also the kachera for males is white, so that u knw its clean wen u wash it and wen u do seva of mahraaj, (no skid marks runnin dwn the back of it). Wid da kachera it was above to ur knee so ne dirt that is kickd up wud go on to ur legs, which u washed wen u wash ur feet. The kachera is designed in such a way aswell u can be as felexible as u want but the kachera wud not be streched into revealin ur manhood thru the material, u can also do the splits with ease and the kachera will not hold u bak, or tighten, also if for instance u did a handstand, the kachera is designed so that the bottom ends of ur kachera wont cum up and reveal ur thighs. they only cum up a certain little bit. Actually they were very cleverly designed, i am sure the kachera was around b4 Guru Jee made it apart of our reht. Also if ur other kakars came off, u can do ardaas and it wud b cool, but if ur kachera cums off both ur legs, u wud have to go pesh, and ask Guru jee to forgiv u, cause the kachera is wot keeps ur modesty ur izaat. Sorry for not puttin the correct punction where it shud b, jus bein lazy and typed it all out. :twisted: woah new post jus caught it b4 i sent this message, the reason for da boxers is it isnt the right lenth, dosent cover the manhood the way it shud, and it doesnt have the all esential 'breakers' to stop the kachera revealin ur thigh!

well ya, it cums dwn to karam, at the end of the day, wot u so is wot u reap

No it aint, i was actually tokin to my dad yesterady about this subject and what he said to me was that kids, and u as a husband or as a wife, have to bring up ur children cause its ur karam. Not only ur kids but each other. Its a karj (a debt) that u have to repay, so its not a seva, its sumin that they have to do, as kids wen we grow up we have to pay off our debt to our kids, cause in our previous life we was in debtd to them as our parents was indebtd to us.

lol how can u 'break' amrit?? pls tell me?? if u do a kreht does the amrit leave ur body??? once u take amrt u take it, u can not have ur reht, but u still have got amrit :twisted: or is this too much of radical thinking??

Difference between LUST and LOVE, i am on about lust and not love like sevak is sayin!

Yes i agree, push away the 'bad thoughts' and ignore ur feelings, yup, thats the way cause sikhi says no, and guru mahraaj says nufin bout luv, (layla majnu), huuuummm yes u r right we as sikhs, r heartless, and if it does happen we must not, cause guru jee as our father does not knw as we being his kids how our hearts and mind works. Sikhi isnt black and white, with yes and no answers, if it is, it will neva survive in tommorws society, dnt knw how it survived in todays, mayb because it isnt black and white???? :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: Sorry to b patronising, but the sikhi u preech about, isnt the stuff that cums from ur head, its wot cums from ur heart!!!!

This is a very touchy subject sum say u can and sum say u cant. :evil: :twisted: Well the thing is if we dont go out with our own, they will find sum1 else to go out wid! Thats blatent but its true! I think u shud follow ur heart u meet sum1 and they feel the same way, u shud purse it and get married, dnt jus go out datin 4 da hell of it and b a playa. at the end of the day u got ur own family rep to think about and the other person's. But todays society is much on cast, i knw todays parents say its cool to find ur own jus make sure that the person is the same cast! So i dnt think todays parents really mind, unless ur intentions r not to get married and b a player.

My friend amrit is sumin physical, u cant break it!

This isnt being radical or being hippy this is sikhi, and there r other things u can get high on no herbs no drinks, no concoctions, this thing is pure, its got no side affects (other then being addictive), u cant ger overdose, its amazing, gives u this mad buzz. its excellent.