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bro, that question was asked by me so u may wanna PM or just ask drawrof that question..............

ji.......that's great news but i would suggest that you don't stop him from his bhagti but encourage him more and ask to continue that routine whilst going to work, while at work etc........that way his daily life is not affected by his bhagti...............

in my view, u'll never what the other person's intentions are but if you're intentiosn are good and true from the heart then i don't see it as bad and whether the person commits crimes etc.....after you have helped him/her then that shouldn't be of a concern cuz that other person will have to answer for their actions and only waheguru knows that.

I was just thinking what if the soul/atma is also like ur sarir (body) and inside the soul is waheguru or the primal energy source and the 'ang' is contained within that so in essence, EK OANGKAR........one ang of the karni/karn vala parmeshwar (waheguru) . just my silly lil thoughts....................

how bout Taco Bell?.................

k how bouts devilish_angel?................................. :| :twisted:

how bout twisted_dementia?................ 8)

I just had a thought, realization, "forna" , whatever you wanna call it, the other day....Now this will sound dumb but here goes............... I was just thinking what if the soul/atma is also like ur sarir (body) and inside the soul is waheguru or the primal energy source and the 'ang' is contained within that so in essence, EK OANGKAR........one ang of the karni/karn vala parmeshwar (waheguru) . Now I haven't been to uni (just have seen the outside of it............. ) but for those who have you may know the symbol for it........the nucleus in the middle and the atoms circling it........what if we (humans and the atma inside us) are like those atoms circling life/lives (84 million lives) in the sense of going thru life itself and collecting info. when we pass on, all that has been collected thru our mind, actions etc....is passed onto Dharamraj and then given to waheguru so he can redesign the universe again and again. So basically, each times he destroys and creates is based on the info collected from the last time. just a thought................... Bhul Chuk Maaf Karna................

Sukhi, I am in no manner a "sant" , "brahmgyani" in fact I think that my views are equivalent to a donkey as i don't have much education and others on this woderful site are much more brilliant than I. But here's my thoughts, we are put on this earth for a reason which would be that we are repenting for our past actions and judgement has been passed on for our past life. It's like a killer's sentence has been passed and now he is serving time so in that manner we are serving time and being rehabiliated on this earth. Our goal in this life is to earn profit by doing good deeds so when we pass on we can "cash it out". As for parents, well the way I see it is a child up until the age of at least 15 needs a mother and father in order for guidance and after that he is or at least should be mature enough to venture on his own. Not having parents is in the metaphorical sense for spirituality in the sense that when we die, no one goes with us and none of our materialistic things go with us. Page 721, Line 6 -- Guru Nanak Dev jan pisar padar biraadaraaN kas nays dastaNgeer aakhir bi-aftam kas na daarad chooN savad takbeer And when at last I fall, and the time of my last prayer has come, there shall be no one to rescue me just my thoughts.......Bhul Chuk Maaf karna

speaking of Bhai Avtar Singh Ji, I received an email which states that Bhai Avtar Singh Ji will be here in Toronto from May 2 - 20 at Rivalda Rd Gurudwara and various other gurughars.....................

watch jerry springer...........lol......................

chicken anyone?..................................

tribune India Mian Mir’s descendants to visit India Rashmi Talwar Amritsar, February 24 For the first time, descendants of Sain Mian Mir, the Muslim seer who laid the foundation stone of the Golden Temple in Amritsar will be visiting India to participate in the kirtan darbar being organised at Ferozepore from February 26. Mr Nasin Maqdoom Sayeed Chand Pir Qadri, the 19th descendant of the Mian Mir, will be arriving with a host of other descendants of other prominent Muslims spiritual leaders who had close association with the Sikh Gurus. The descendants would be bringing with them historical ornaments and documents for ‘darshan’ by the Sikh sangat in India . Nasin Qadri will be bringing the precious necklace presented to his forefather Mian Mian Mir by Guru Arjun Dev . He will also bring to India the pearl necklace of Mata Ganga. The delegation will also bring the hand written ‘Hukamnama’ written by Guru Gobind Singh which was handed over to the family of Ghani Khan and Nabi Khan. The two were responsible for ensuring a safe passage to the guru by disguising him as ‘Uccha Pir’ at Machhivara when he was surrounded by enemies. Mr Yahood Ahmed Khan, descendant of Ghani Khan and Nabi Khan will be bringing the hukamnama in which the Guru had stated that “Ghani Khan and Nabi Khan were like his sons. Bhai Lal Singh, the 17th generation descendant of Bhai Mardana, a Muslim who accompanied Guru Nanak Dev on his journeys, will also accompany the delegation that would participate in the 12th International Bhai Mardana Yadgari Kirtan Darbar at Ferozepore from February 26.

In my opinion, I truly believe that we are human first before we can accept sikhi. Now, others may say well what about those that are born into a sikh family. My thoughts on that are well, take away the label for a second, what is born, not a "sikh" but a human being then comes the "sikhi" aspect of it. One has to be human before accepting a path. Just my two cents.......... Bhul Chuk Maaf Karna......

no dude he does come here with the jatha when the namdhari panth dey Guru/Baba Jagjit singh ji does. These recordings are from the last visit in 1993. I am not sure but he may come again soon. PM me and i will keep u informed.

it can be arranged..............

Anyone???.................. :|

Waheguru ji ka khalsa Waheguru Ji ki Fateh Sangat Ji, I was wondering when the next Amrit Sanchaar is going to be held in Ottawa as a Friend of mine from there plans to take with 4 other guys. Also, contact info would be greatly appreciated................... Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh

tribune India Forgotten Chapter of Glorious History Varinder Walia Tribune News Service Bhai Gurdas inscribed the first copy of the Guru Granth Sahib, but he is himself not remembered now. Bhai Gurdas, who inscribed the first copy of Guru Granth Sahib under the supervision of his nephew, Guru Arjun Dev, is considered as a towering Hindi poet of the medieval period. However, the Sikh world, including Akal Takht and SGPC, has failed to acknowledge the contribution of Bhai Gurdas. Even the exact date or place of his birth still remains unclear. Regarded as the first interpreter of Gurbani, his writings are considered the key to understanding the holy scriptures of Sikhs. He wrote 40 vars (ballads) and 556 kabits (a form of Punjabi poetry). These writings are considered the best specimens of Sikh literature and philosophy. He spent many years in Varanasi, where he studied Sanskrit scriptures. He extensively visited Agra, Lucknow, Burhanpur, Rajasthan, Jammu and Chamba hills to preach Sikhism. Despite his great contribution to Sikhism and Hindi, Punjabi and Braj literature, he was not remembered during the quadri-centennial celebrations of the installation of Guru Granth Sahib. The Kashi Nagri Parcharni Sabha, Banaras, a renowned institute of Hindi literature, has prominently mentioned in its research reports the Hindi literature produced by Bhai Gurdas. It is said the Maharaja of Banaras became a follower of Bhai Gurdas and appreciated his scholarly work. The incomplete gate at Baserke village which was to be named after Bhai Gurdas. — Photos by Rajiv Sharma A big gurdwara in the memory of Bhai Gurdas has been raised in Varanasi, while no exclusive memorial has been constructed in Amritsar district where he spent most of his time. Only a hall of the SGPC complex has been named after Bhai Gurdas. No site of the Gurdwara Pipli Sahib (Putligarh), where Bhai Gurdas guided the Sikh Sangat, has been protected by the SGPC. Ironically, the SGPC has never observed any day to remember Bhai Gurdas, as there is no record about his date of birth or death, though he lived for 91 years. Jathedar Akal Takht, Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti, and SGPC Chief, Bibi Jagir Kaur, admitted that consensus has not been so far reached on the dates of the birth and the death of Bhai Gurdas. According to Dr H.S. Bedi, Senior Professor, Department of Hindi, Guru Nanak Dev University, Bhai Gurdas may have written more literature in Hindi and Braj, and this literature needs to be traced by scholars. In case proper research is done on Bhai Gurdas, the established literary myths would be broken. His writings are considered the best specimens of Sikh literature and philosophy. “He was a man of wide learning, especially in ancient texts and philosophy, and he devoted his exceptional talents to preach the Sikh faith. His poetry, now available in two volumes — Vara Bhai Gurdas and Kabitt Savaiyye — is sung along with Gurbani at holy congregations. Guru Arjun Dev put his seal of approval on it by designating it as the ‘key’ to the Holy Scripture,†explains Dr Bedi. Meanwhile, Jathedar, Akal Takht, has described the confusion about the date and place of birth of Bhai Gurdas as “most unfortunateâ€. Some historians claim that he was born in a Bhalla khatri family of Goindwal in 1608 Bikrami (1551 AD) and his father’s name was Ishar Das and mother’s name was Jivani. He was the nephew of the third Guru, Guru Amar Das. Other Sikh historians say that his father’s name was Bhai Datar Chand. The Gyan Ratnawli, published by SGPC, mentioned the year of his birth as 1603 Bikrami (1546 AD). The Sikh scholar, Bhai Veer Singh, claimed that the year of his birth was between 1600 Bikrami and 1610 Bikrami. He based this calculation on the references given by Gyan Singh and Bhai Santokh Singh. A history of Punjabi literature, written by Sant Singh Sekhon, and published by Punjabi University, Patiala, claims that Bhai Gurdas was born in 1551 AD in Gilwali village (now Guruwali), adjacent to Amritsar. When this correspondent went to Gilwali, villagers, including Sarpanch Balwinder Singh, denied that Gilwali was the birthplace of Bhai Gurdas. One Gurnam Singh of Dera Baba Sant Singh said he had never heard about this. Some of the historians mentioned Baserke (16 km from Amritsar) as the place where Bhai Gurdas was born. A visit to Baserke revealed that villagers had only heard about their village being the birthplace of Bhai Gurdas, but no one knew the exact location of his birthplace. During militancy, the villagers tried to build a gate to commemorate the memory of Bhai Gurdas. The gate still remains incomplete. Hardip Singh, a shopkeeper in the village, said all attempts to find the exact location of the birthplace of Bhai Gurdas had so far not borne any fruit. "OPINIONS" “We must admit that injustice is being done to Bhai Gurdas. It is a challenge for Sikh scholars to find the exact date and place of his birth. There is a dire need for the SGPC to open an institute where research could be done on Bhai Gurdas, who is one of the greatest Sikh personalities. It is a pity that the scholars were not unanimous in their opinion about the volume of Guru Granth Sahib inscribed by Bhai Gurdasji.†— Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti Jathedar, Akal Takht “The Shiromani Committee would ask Sikh scholars to do research on Bhai Gurdas. He was the nephew of the third Sikh Master, Guru Amar Das, and the maternal uncle of Guru Arjun Dev. If Sikh scholars would be able to find about the date and place of his birth, the SGPC would immediately arrange for centenary celebrations of Bhai Gurdas.†— Bibi Jagir Kaur President, SGPC “It is imperative to establish a Chair in the name of Bhai Gurdas in some University. The discovery of literature authored by Bhai Gurdas would force a rewriting of the history of Hindi literature. —Dr H.S. Bedi, Senior Professor and Head, Kabir Chair, Guru Nanak Dev University “It is most unfortunate that due honour has not been given to one of the most prolific writers of Punjabi and Hindi and Braj literature. Upset over the indifference attitude of the SGPC, the Kesh Sambhal Sanstha, a private organisation started celebrating the birth of Bhai Gurdas on August 15. The first volume of Guru Granth Sahib, inscribed by Bhai Gurdas, was completed on this date and hence the organisation decided to celebrate his birth on this date.†— Dr Shamir Singh, Former professor and Head, Hindi Department, Khalsa College.

May i ask as to how you came to this conclusion? Because in my perspective, if a person has GURMAT (Guru vali maat) which is actually a higher plane of thought then those such thoughts wouldn't occur. In vairaag, which is a state of ecstasy, utter happiness, who can think of dukh at that point..... :?: for eg. on weddings people are usually happy, do u notice anyone stealing cars at that moment? not really but I know, and ur gonna say well what bout receptions, all those people drinking and causing fights etc............. well that's the catch.......having the reception where liquor and meat will be served, well that's a recipe for disaster. what i mean by this is that, well if u ask for it well it will be there. How many gurmukh chardi-kala vale singhs do u see raping women just because they in vairaag (feeling of ecstasy/bliss). I don't know of any people like that. If you know of any, please shed some light on it with historical references, that would be appreciated. Also , my last point, I have a question for you................................ What makes one person better than the next? and then What makes one sikh better than the next? People have a different way of doing things and there are different ways/paths to obtain god so how can we look down upon them when we ourselves are not perfect.........as stated in Jaap Sahib.... aik moorat anaik darsan, keen roop anaik khail khaile, akhail khailun, aunt ko phir aik (You are Alone, but appear in many shapes. You manifest Yourself in many forms. You Play the Game of Creation, and after playing this Game, You dissolve the creation, and are left Alone.) aman hain, nidhan hain, anaik hain, phir aik hain. O Lord, You are Immeasurable, You are the Treasure of All the Wealth, You have multiplied from One Form to many, Still You are One just my 2 cents................ :| bhul chuk maaf karna..................

Purkha, Gurmukho......... :? Ki ho gaya tuhanoo....... :? What kind of post is this?........... :shock: Brother........u need a vacation.............

or at least share with me............................ :lol:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4172167.stmwww.bbc.co.uk For 21-year-old Sikh woman Rupneet Kaur (not her real name), the New Year finally brought some hope. On 5 January, a two-member team from the British High Commission in Delhi - with the help of the district administration - recovered Miss Kaur from the house of her maternal uncle in a Punjab village in Nawanshahar district. Her parents had abandoned her in Punjab five months earlier. Keen for her to marry a man of their choice, her mother and father, who live in the north of England, had taken away Miss Kaur's travel documents, including her passport and ticket back to England. Lesley Beaton, the director of Consular Services who recovered Miss Kaur, said she had not been ill-treated either by her parents or relatives. "But the fact of the matter is that Rupneet did not want to get married and eventually the situation could have taken the form of forced marriage," said Ms Beaton. Miss Kaur was rescued after her friend tipped off the police in the UK, who later got in touch with the High Commission in Delhi. She is not pressing charges against her parents. A lot of cases go undetected as girls ultimately fall prey to their parents' wishes Gurpreet Deo, Indian Police Service Her case is not an isolated one. For millions of Punjabis and many more South Asians settled in the West, there remains a strong desire to marry their children within their community and caste. They also insist that the groom or the bride should belong to the country of their origin. And all too often, to achieve their goal, parents end up torturing their offspring, either physically or mentally. Gurpreet Deo, an officer from the Indian Police Service, who initiated helplines for "women in distress" during her tenure as senior superintendent of police in Hoshiarpur district, feels that the problem is most common among first-generation immigrants. Recalling her earlier days as assistant superintendent of police in Garhshankar, in the same district, Ms Deo tells of a young British Asian woman, Narinder Kumari, who was rescued from a forced marriage. Miss Kumari had been employed with the UK's Staffordshire police and had wanted to marry her colleague, who was also in the police. But her father, Prem Kumar, was opposed to the idea and had coaxed her to India to their native village, Badesron. "The girl was put under virtual house arrest," remembers Ms Deo. "The problem is very high in the 'Do-aba' (land between two rivers) area of Punjab since it has witnessed the majority of the migration. A lot of cases go undetected as girls ultimately fall prey to their parents' wishes. "The value of obedience turns into a moral compulsion that they might regret later," adds Ms Deo. If the girl is from India, she will keep coming back to India. This will ensure that the sons and their children stay in touch with their roots Ram Tirath Sharma Inspector of police Ravinder Singh recalls another such incident in 1999, in Chhabewal Village, in the Hoshiarpur district. Parents belonging to the dalit community (considered low castes in India) were forcibly trying to marry off a British Asian girl. The girl was rescued from Punjab's industrial town Ludhiana and handed over to the British High Commission, he says. Another famous case involving a British Asian girl was in 1999. A 17-year-old Sikh girl was sent against her will to her aunt's house in a village in Punjab, where two prospective husbands were waiting. She managed to reach the British High Commission in Delhi by tricking her brother. Ram Tirath Sharma, 70, a teacher who migrated to the UK in 1965, is keen that his two sons get married to girls from India. "I have not compelled them, as I do not want to lose my sons, yet my wish is that they find a match from India," he said. "If the girl is from India, she will keep coming back to India. This will ensure that the sons and their children stay in touch with their roots. "Moreover, the Western women opt for divorce more promptly than their Indian counterparts," he added.

just look at his creation as he is prevading in his own creation......... Page 281, Line 17 -- Guru Arjan Dev apunay kaaraj meh aap samaa-i-aa (in His Own creation, He Himself is pervading). Page 288, Line 1 -- Guru Arjan Dev rach rachnaa apnee kal Dhaaree (Having created the creation, He infuses His own power into it) Page 325, Line 4 -- Saint Kabir jot kee jaat jaat kee jotee (The creation is born of the Light, and the Light is in the creation)

yup, use Malcolm........some white dude who probably doesn't even know of his roots and yet is to quick to name Guru Maharaj's Bani................................. :roll: