Sukhi

i understand where brucey's coming from. but what of the notion of "nipping" racism/discrimination in the bud? if we don't act, will we be better off? where can you draw the line with things like discrimination? how much is too much? and how much is "not that important"? true, the supporters of this guy are gonna be completely up on our cases for having "taken away his freedom of expression". but every "freedom" has a limit. and that limit is when you infringe upon other people's freedoms. so is it an infringement upon Sikhs' freedoms and rights when we're put down like that? or are we as a group not applicable to having our voices heard? is expressing our "outrage" at being slandered as "primitive" (which is what the guy intended) not a freedom that we can enjoy?

i dunno nuff about sikhi to answer this. so come on wiser people of SA. let's hear it.

dude, i frickin LOVED the old banner for a variety of reasons. i mean i like the white people doing their sikh thing. but how does having a banner completely composed of white sikhs represent "bringing awareness to sikh youth worldwide"? not all of us are white. not all of us are brown. heck, not all of us on this site are even sikh! :shock:

you have GOT to be kidding me. tha's like... martha stewart does t-shirts chinese style!

yeaaah... that was really nice too. in a very sad way i mean. i think what totally killed me was the part when jesus is carryin the cross and mary's like "take me closer to him" and he's comin by, but he falls or whatever, and they sorta flashback to a time when jesus was a kid and he fell and mary ran and picked him up. *sighs* that bit made my mum shed a whole ton of tears too. hey shaka laka baby, nice to see you around. did you notice that some of the aramaic words seemed eerily similar to hindi words? funkadelic. "maut" was one that i heard, methinks. of course i'm prolly wrong.

save the seals!

for what?! making parshad?! you gotta be kidding me! even i of all godforsaken people in this ridiculous world can make parshad! so should i be paid for it?! dayam... pathetic-ness...

note in my post the face that "realization" comes from both programming the computer AND reading the manual. :roll: bejeebers... repetition...

rabbaaa! eesh! here's an analogy: you have a computer. you have a manual. if you read the manual, you'll know about how to program the computer. (understanding) if you read the manual and actually program the computer, you'll have comprehension of programming the computer. (realization) same thing with sikhi. you can read books and gather knowledge on sikhi, but it's not the same thing as walking the path and getting to a state of enlightenment. cappeesh?

repetition sucks. read below post for more info.

yeup yeup. very nice post. quick question: how important is age to taking amrit?

sounds like propaganda to me. the part about idols in darbar sahib... :? forget it, i'm not even gonna bother with the stupidity of that argument. :roll:

yeup. a scholar can 'understand' sikhi, but a sikh has to realize it. perfect sense. someone amend my post cuz i'm too lazy to do it.

if guru sahib told you to cut your hair and you didn't, wouldn't you be engaging in "manmat"...? :?

Pheenu, stop copying my words. tsk! monkey, i think when attempting to "define" sikhi, most of us are attempting to discover what it means to be a sikh. but what happens eventually is we fall into the trap of setting up boundaries both for ourself and our interpretations of what sikhi is. i'm still not sure if it's right or wrong to establish an "orthodoxy" if it can maintain respect and tolerance for others, which orthodoxies in general tend to be unable to do. i think rakash answered the question really well (hence my "damn you Rakash" post).

it made cry a lot too. i think the movie made the jewish priests appear in a particularly negative light. but having said that, a couple of things really hit home with me. one of the things that i noticed was that intolerance and ignorance were leading factors that led to the events that ultimately helped end christ's life (similar to what happened to some of our own gurus). and today, we've got a similar environment religiously speaking where in the sikh community here in canada at least, people are VERY intolerant of other people's views. all you need to do is take a look at a couple of forums to see just how much we all feel the need to be right and subjugate anything and everything that moves to our "infallible" logic. we're all guilty of it. i'm guilty of it too when making these statements because i think i'm right in accusing people of being intolerant. another thing i noticed was how christians seem to believe in free will and how that affects their perception of Judas. under the assumption that Judas acted out of free will, we come to the notion that Judas was a sinner and rightfully suffered. but if we look at it from a slightly different perspective, one of Hukam, i think Judas was probably one of Christ's most beloved disciples because he was "destined" per se to betray Jesus. he had the heavy "responsibility" in a sense to deliver Jesus into the hands of the Jewish priests. who in their right minds would want to give up their beloved saviour or Guru to his/her enemy?... nobody. *sighs* ok, i'm not making sense anymore. i'm a jumbalaya of thoughts today. exams. stresss... (i'm prolly gonna come back, read this and be like "what the hell...?!")

i asked the same thing up above. new question: why do some amritdhari's feel the need to indulge in different forms of brahmanivaad? is there any benefit to it? <- i'm not asking to be "cheeky" or whatever, but really, is there something going on behind the scenes that i'm not aware of that makes them superior and gives them the right to act as such? why is there so much hatred and disgust between some amritdharis and non-amritdharis? aren't we all supposed to be attempting to become Guru Sahib's sikhs at whatever pace we can manage? aaargh...

wow... does anyone wanna translate some of the stuff that was written on them? like on the shield and helmet?

i saw it. what'd you think of it?

who saw it?

why does it matter who or what the child ends up being? would you say the same if that child was yours?

that reminds me of something else: "God is looking for spiritual fruit, not religious nuts."

why would people take money for making parshad? more importantly, why would you give money for someone to make parshad? makes no sense... :?

Iron Singh... what's this about a guarantee..? wanna expand on that? Mehtab, thanks for the link to the katha. i'll check it out later on. but my question still stands...what is the benefit of amrit?

hmmm... can you expand on that? the amoral bit?