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If we read and understand we will get to know their is rule working you may call it principle. Just like Prof Sahib Singh found out their is a Grammar working throughout . To understand Rule/Principle lets see two different meaning of word Jup in Gurbani Accepted form Jup : Imbibe/Understand (Vicharna) ਆਜੁ ਕਾਲਿ ਮਰਿ ਜਾਈਐ ਪ੍ਰਾਣੀ ਹਰਿ ਜਪੁ ਜਪਿ ਰਿਦੈ ਧਿਆਈ ਹੇ ॥੫॥ O mortal, thou shall die today or tomorrow.imbibe the philosophy of Guru in your heart. Rejected form ਜਪੁ ਤਪੁ ਕਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਸੰਜਮ ਥਾਕੀ ਹਠਿ ਨਿਗ੍ਰਹਿ ਨਹੀ ਪਾਈਐ ॥ Jap ṯap kar kar sanjam thākī haṯẖ nigrahi nahī pā▫ī▫ai. Practicing intensive meditation, chanting and self-discipline, people have grown weary; stubbornly practicing these rituals, they still have not found Him. Understanding/Meaning of the word Jup is coming from SGGS itself and the Rule(Accepted/Rejected) for the word Jup will be consistent throughout SGGS.

Sorry my apologies amendment to the below statement done in orginal post

ONE Fundamental Rule of SGGS is that meaning of words should be found from SGGS and they should be consistent throughout and words with different meaning should be understood contextually . Redefining doesn't means Red becomes blue or tree means sun. Redefining means understanding words in context of the shabad the (Bhav) and not just literal meanings . Like For Eg Maaning as per Gurbani NAAM -> Godly virtues . TAAP: Spiritual deeds Amrit : Gurbani I dont agree with you .They try to interpret Gurbani by using Gurbani .

Veerji do you believe that our Gurus had redefined common words that were used in their time .

Sikhi which we see today is not what our Gurus taught .Its distorted ,corrupted and Missionary and other Scholars are trying to clean up the mess. Yes they are Samparadas worst nightmare.They are going to make Sampardas non existent. Saparadas have different ideology which is vedantic influenced .They interpret the meaning of gurbani using Vedantic dictionary .Infact when we compare the Samparads interpretation and Hindu practices their is so much similarities .Many of Hindu scholar in India call it fifth Ved .Thats the reason we can see so many rituals in our Gurudwaras.

Why don't you visit a ISKON ,AOL centre nearby they will guide perfectly.

Thanks for your advice!! I hope it's a good platform to discuss tat gurmat not like this discussion forum practicing pseudo sikhi.

Great site!! Are you joking.You first change the name of this site to BRAHAMVAD 2.0 you are not doing justice to the name sikhawareness.com

I am not missinarory firstly. But I do listen to them to understand tat gurmat because you taksali have nothing to teach you have your own version of Sikhi. Your sikhi is based on mythical sakhis and empty ritual. You spirituality is just to worship and glorify your mahapurakh. Your foolish pracharaks says Guru Gobind Singh is a sibling of luv Kush. You are just extension of hindu in our sikh religion. All Dhandriwala and missionary are doing is cleaning this mess. You really want to make it sikhi and taksali let's do it I am really gonna exposed your fake ideology.

A big lie .Where did I show me the proof ?

Why are you making faking arguments I never said anything on this regard.

It clearly shows you don't trust SGGS and DG . Missionaries are better pracharaks than your fake taksali who are propagating kachi Bani like BK. Shame

You sound like more of a pujari and brahmin rather khalsa . And don't call Gappi Thakur a mahapurush He is just a shrewd Salesman and nothing else. True warriors are born on the battlefield! To WIN, battles tactics defines the victory and loosing Read abt Guru Gobind Singh and his forty sikhs along with two sons fought with unprecendented valour and courage. Wars are not fought and won by chanting Braham Kavach (envoking gupt shaktis). Missionaries and Dhandriwala are your worst nightmare .

You Still did not clarified how speaking nonsense is part of Gurmat. Watch What ? You are really suffering from Dhandraiphobia . You are spiritual dead soul who belive speaking nonsense is part of Gurmat .Just wasting your life chanting Braham Kavach.

Are you mentally alright. you mean to say speaking nonsense is a principle of Gurmat.what kind of justification is this. You are wrong he never said.i have watched the original video abt his view on this.

This discussion is not abt Dhandriwala but abt Thakur singh.express your frustrations in relavant topic . Just to clarify your doubt he never said "Kudrat he Rabb hai".what he said is "Kudrat vich vasiya Rabb ".their is difference between two.check your facts.

Nowdays this Gappi Thakur is busy marketing his new product to the sangat by the name "Braham Kavach".No where in history we find mentioned of sikhs using Braham Kavach in battlefield nor when Darbar sahib was attacked in 1984 not even in Dasam Granth .In fact Guru Gobind singh in DG rejects this kind of fake kavach . ਭੂਜੰਗ ਪ੍ਰਯਾਤ ਛੰਦ ॥ ਬਿਨਾ ਸਰਨ ਤਾ ਕੀ ਨ ਅਉਰੈ ਉਪਾਯੰ ॥ ਕਹਾ ਦੇਵ ਦਈਤੰ ਕਹਾ ਰੰਕ ਰਾਯੰ Without coming under His Refuge, there is no other measure for protection, may be a god, demon, pauper or a king. ਬਿਨਾ ਸਰਨ ਤਾ ਕੀ ਨ ਕੋਟੈ ਉਪਾਯੰ ॥੭੬॥ May be the Sovereign and may be the courtiers, without coming under His shelter, millions of measures for protection will be useless. 76. ਜਿਤੇ ਜੀਵ ਜੰਤੰ ਸੁ ਦੁਨੀਅੰ ਉਪਾਯੰ ॥ ਸਭੈ ਅੰਤ ਕਾਲੰ ਬਲੀ ਕਾਲ ਘਾਯੰ ॥ All the creatures created by Him in the world will ultimately be killed by the mighty KAL. ਬਿਨਾ ਸਰਨ ਤਾ ਕੀ ਨਹੀ ਔਰ ਓਟੰ ॥ ਲਿਖੇ ਜੰਤ੍ਰ ਕੇਤੇ ਪੜ੍ਹੇ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਕੋਟੰ ॥੭੭॥ There is no other protection without coming under His shelter, even though many Yantras be written and millions of Mantras be recited.77. Clearly it shows this Conman Thakur is trying to impose Brahamanvad into sikh psyche.We should be aware of it.

Have you read any of his work .how can you be sure.

This little goat is lying .their is no such kind of information in dr drilgeer book. Have you read his book? Infact he has given referencing in his footnote from different Janam Sakis abt this incident. Check your facts first before dragging your ass around.

It was you who brought this information to everyone's knowledge .plz read ur comment again. So you should be answering it.

No one is denying the divine gift of Japji Guruji gave to the world from that place. So the important event occured is the gift of Bani to world.Whether Nanak was inside the river for 3days or 7days or whether he was sitting aside the river bed becomes inconsequential My reply was in context to a stupid comment made by @chatanga1

Not at all realted to my reply. Did I mean that?it was u who pointed out this incident and u should be explaining how does it matters to anyone whether Guruji was inside the river for three days or sitting beside the river?what matters is the gift which Guruji gave to the mankind that unfortunately you don't seems to be interested. Your problem withDr Dilgeer as an historian is he does not comes from corrupted school of thoughts of yours.

What does it matter whether Guru Nanak spent 3 days merged inside the the river or rested across the other side planning his next udasi etc . What is their for you to learn?

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/jammu-and-kashmir-ansar-ghazwat-ul-hind-punjab-police-pulwama-jaish-e-mohammed-panjab-university-chandigarh/301327 Giani Gurbachan Singh, the Jathedar of Shri Akal Takht Sahib, announced his resignation from his post late in the evening. He forwarded his resignation today to the head of the Shiromani Gurdwara Management Committee and also send one email to the media. In the letter, the Jathedar expressed his inability to serve citing poor health and old age. Singh had created a controversy by pardoning Dera Sacha Sauda chief Gurmeet Ram Rahim in a blasphemy case after which he faced a massive backlash from within the community. The Dera chief was pardoned in September 2015. In a statement written in Punjabi and issued through his personal assistant Satinderpal Singh, the Jathedar urged the SGPC president and executive to find a better replacement and asked permission to step down. Many Sikh bodies were reportedly unhappy with Giani Gurbachan Singh and were seeking his removal. Sukhdev Singh Dhindsa of the Shiromani Akali Dal (SAD) which controls the SGPC had also demanded that the Jathedar be replaced. According to local media reports, the SAD high command has already started looking for a suitable candidate to replace the Jathedar but the search is taking time as many potential Jathedars with strong panthic credentials are not willing to take up the post as they believe that the Badals influence the functioning of the Akal Takht, one of five takhts (seats of power) of the Sikhs. However, many sections are seeing his resignation as an open rebellion against the Badals who have a say in the functioning of the Akal Takht. The Badal family was also criticised for his alleged role in granting pardon to the controversial Dera chief.

@Jageera "Anyways I cant read punjabi yet so it is out of the question.Any alternative suggestion you can make on books in english?" Take it as a blessing from Akal purakh not knowing punjabi otherwise you would have been wasting time studying Fairy tails and Mythological Sikhi .Dr Dilgeer is renowned Historian from Punjab University he is neither a missionary nor a taksali or associated with any Dera . Why I propose Dr Dilgeer works over Traditional Samaradyee Books can be understood by a sufi parable Someone saw Nasrudin searching for something on the ground. What have you lost, Mulla? he asked. “My key,” said the Mulla. So they both went down on their knees and looked for it. After a time the other man asked: “Where exactly did you drop it?” “In my own house.” “Then why are you looking here?” “There is more light here than inside my own house.” This Sufi story could remain as a useful example for anybody looking to the history of the Sikh Gurus . It suggests that we may look for our own keys, our own understandings, outside our own houses, our own cultures, beyond the light of the familiar sources. There has been shortage of what photographers call available light to help us discover what we are looking for, but in recent years historians like Dr. Dilgeer have produced good translations and intelligent interpretations of Sikh History and pointers to both texts and material evidence that others(like traditional Sampradyess) had not noticed before. So its just we have to come out from the old sources and venture into new sources to understand Sikhi in 21st century. Its your choice.