SunnySingh

Through Sikhee/Gurmat we come to know that we by ourselves are nothing, but just big bag with countless sins.
In that condition as seen above, one has no spiritual knowledge, but a fatty load of ignorance.
In that case, the TRUE Guru is our only hope and anchor.
For as s Guru Jee tells us in the Bani:
ਪਤਿਤ ਪਾਵਨ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮਾ ॥
Pathith Paavan Har Naamaa ||
पतित पावन हरि नामा ॥
The Lord's Name is the Purifier of sinners.
Or
Prabh Kaa simran mun kee mael jaae
By meditating on the repetition of His Name, all impurities on the mind are washed away.
 
Noe we may ask, which Naam or God´s name should one meditate upon?
There are many realms or levels of consciousness within us, including those of avatars, trinities, prophets, devtays etc etc  ..... and meditating on them(their names) all, or any one of them, one is still within the realm of Maya and Kaal.
And beyond all this mayavee paraphernalia, is the unfathomable abode of the Ultimate Truth (Sach Khand), which Guru Sahiban since the very begining in the Bani calls it SATNAM.
Guru Jee says: Jap mun Satnam, sadaah Satnam
 
And moreover as seen in the following verse:
ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਤ ਜਨੁ ਤਾਰਿਓ ॥
Har Har Naam Japath Jan Thaariou ||
Hari hari nāmu japat janu tāriō ॥
Chanting the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, His servant has been ferried across.
The path of Gurmat is the simplest, clearest, shortest, and the straight highway to Waheguru Akal Purukh.
 
This Naam,  is the only purifier, cleanser, redeemer from all bondages/chains/sins, and ultimately, is also the means, the vessel, which takes us to our true home: Sach Khand.
 
 
 
 

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If Guru Gobind Singh said what you say, that is fine, because He is th form of Waheguru Akal Purukh at our level, which means He is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent.  
Whatever He says is the Truth.
But let us ask ourselves? Even if all the names of those jeevas mentioned by you in your post above is a reality, what is so great about it? 
We must bear in mind, merging and becoming one with Waheguru is not like going to a holiday resort or to a foreign land for sometime and coming back.
For any soul who reaches Waheguru´s level and merges in Him, has for sure lost his petty identity and become one with Him without any distinction.
And if these jeevas mentioned by you,  they came back,  that means they were not one with Him, they were somewhere settling their karmas ... thus they came back once again as human biengs to perfect their bhakti and if it is His mauj, then go and become one with Him, that is it.
We too, each one of us, have been born countless times, in countless lives and species, so then?  
Our only goal to be paid attention to, should be the goal taught in the Gurbani, which is Guru Jee or Satnam, that is it, for only with Him can we ever get out from maya and brahm..
Who comes, who goes, where does that jeeva go .... are all distractions.
Life is too short, we should focus on ourselves, whether we are fulfilling our purpose of doing the right job/bhakti to get out of the endless cycle of 84, for once and ever and merge in  Him, with His grace, that is it.
 

We are Nothing, yet we are the drop in the ocean, made from the same stuff as the ocean.
* You are mixing up things because of  lack of clarity, and you keep on hopping whenever some of your wordings are placed before you as inconsistent, and you then do tend to go in a different direction with other arguments, instead of  first clearing  the first errors.  
In this way, you can never ever reach any shore, and I refuse to play or enter into such a absurd game, where I humbly try to come near as much as possible to Gurbani in a constructive manner. 
Firstly you say we are god, as also the demon and the angels are god,  and all the insentient materialistic things  also are god,  just as houses, moon, sun, things are god, and are equal to god, then you say we are a drop in the ocean, then you jump to bring the term love into scene ..... just too much
Can you see how many contradictions are there in your statements ? 
You are mixing and equating material and insentient  things, with an Entity which is the most subtle and only spiritual. So that is an absolute aberration from your side.
 
There is no you or me, only One. It must be experienced and is beyond worldly logic. We live in Nirboah and Nirvair, for its All Him.
Is that ego?
*Yes it is ego,  because it is a wrong statement, and because you are equaiting Him, the One who is the highest consciousness to the gross and insentient things, you are equating Him to the demon, to the lifeless moon and sun, houses and so on .... 
Nowhere Gurbani says such nonsense, thus it is a twisting to justify your ego only, in which you have locked up tightly yourself and you refuse to see what the reality is about true spirituality as per Gurbani.  That is your problem.
I have met so many people, of different cultures, nationalities, believers, atheists, but none say such aberrations of equating Him to the gross and insentient things/objects, or even equate Him to negative and lower or higher  energies, for He above all that paraphernalia and variety which is His creation, while He is the sole Creator.
 
The demon is a demon due to ignorance of its true nature and not practicing Truth.
*Wrong, the demon is a demon in nature due to its past karmas/sanskaras.  
And your comments about the demon not practicing the truth, or be it anybody, it is not a matter of ignorance , it is only a matter of grace from Him as seen clearly in he following verse of Sree Guru Amar Das Maharaj :
ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਈਐ ਜਿਸ ਨਉ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਕਰੇ ਰਜਾਇ ॥੩॥
Har Har Naam Dhhiaaeeai Jis No Kirapaa Karae Rajaae ||3||
By His Will He grants His Grace; those who are so blessed, meditate on the Name of the Lord, Har, Har. 
 
 Even Sajjan Thug the serial killer became Guru Nanaks student, a bhagat, with the knowledge and application of Truth (gurbani).  
*So if Sajjan Thug became a student of Nanak, it means first of all he was not god, otherwise he would not be an evil person, and if he came to Guru Nanak´s shelter; it was more likely that he was pulled by Guru Nanak Himself, for He is omnipotent and  omniscient, thus if He wants to pull someone out, then not even Dharam Rai can stop that jeev atma, in going towards PARAMATMA Waheguru Akal Purukh.
 Please do not ever say Gurbani says all that baseless  statements you make as seen up to the date, do support your conclusions, interpretations, theories,  with Gurbani in the future, otherwise they have no value, because in these matters, you talk from your ego.
it is a pity, for you have love and devotion for Him as seen many a times, but unfortunately when describing Him and His creation, you are messed up and very much confused with contradictions as seen in your posts.
 
Would just like to conclude with some beautiful  verses of Guru Jee, where He tells  us what is Truth all about, and what is practicing that Truth:
 
ਨਾਨਕ ਆਏ ਸੇ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ਹਹਿ ਜਿਨ ਗੁਰਮਤੀ ਹਰਿ ਧਿਆਇ ॥੪॥੫॥੩੮॥
Naanak Aaeae Sae Paravaan Hehi Jin Guramathee Har Dhhiaae ||4||5||38||
O Nanak, blessed is the coming of those who follow the Guru's Teachings and meditate on the Lord.
 
ਹਰਿ ਭਗਤਾ ਹਰਿ ਧਨੁ ਰਾਸਿ ਹੈ ਗੁਰ ਪੂਛਿ ਕਰਹਿ ਵਾਪਾਰੁ ॥
Har Bhagathaa Har Dhhan Raas Hai Gur Pooshh Karehi Vaapaar ||
The devotees of the Lord have the Wealth and Capital of the Lord; with Guru's Advice, they carry on their trade.
 
ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਸਲਾਹਨਿ ਸਦਾ ਸਦਾ ਵਖਰੁ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਅਧਾਰੁ ॥
Har Naam Salaahan Sadhaa Sadhaa Vakhar Har Naam Adhhaar ||
They praise the Name of the Lord forever and ever. The Name of the Lord is their Merchandise and Support.
 
ਗੁਰਿ ਪੂਰੈ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਇਆ ਹਰਿ ਭਗਤਾ ਅਤੁਟੁ ਭੰਡਾਰੁ ॥੧॥
Gur Poorai Har Naam Dhrirraaeiaa Har Bhagathaa Athutt Bhanddaar ||1||
The Perfect Guru has implanted the Name of the Lord into the Lord's devotees; it is an Inexhaustible Treasure. 
 
ਕਰਮਿ ਮਿਲੈ ਤਾ ਪਾਈਐ ਵਿਣੁ ਕਰਮੈ ਪਾਇਆ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥
Karam Milai Thaa Paaeeai Vin Karamai Paaeiaa N Jaae ||
Those who receive His Grace find Him. Without His Grace, He cannot be found.
 
At other place He goes a step further and says something which puts down your theory where you not only equate all living beings to Him, but also the gross or subtle and insentient creations: 
 
ਲਖ ਚਉਰਾਸੀਹ ਤਰਸਦੇ ਜਿਸੁ ਮੇਲੇ ਸੋ ਮਿਲੈ ਹਰਿ ਆਇ ॥
Lakh Chouraaseeh Tharasadhae Jis Maelae So Milai Har Aae ||
The 8.4 million species of beings all yearn for the Lord. Those whom He unites, come to be united with the Lord.
* From this we understand clearly that all the jeevas in the 8.4 million are lost in His creation, and then, only those whom He showers with His grace, find Him and become one with Him, thus until then, nobody is god.
Nowhere Guru Jee says that the moon, the sun or houses or alike merge in Him, for they are made out of the 5 perishable tattwas.
Sat Sree Akal.
 
P.S : Can you see how Gurbani differs totally with your misundertandings or own made theories?
 

But then, even each one has been sent by Waheguru.
And let us stick to the initial points and not get diverted to other things,  for firstly some names were given who came as other individuals,  then the topic was shifted to god's nature, then to brahmhgyanis, then to Waheguru's will ....  god knows what will come next, but then this type of reactions is not a fair move.
Clear out the initial comments of the present thread then move forward to other things if you want in another thread, otherwise off topic answers can be given as seen, and the intentions of the present thread can easily go derailed.

What you have stated above is totally correct and I agree 100 %. 
But, the title of the thread is of the reincarnation of past notable individuals, which is not the case of Brahmgyanis or Guru Sahiban, for they are the manifestation of Waheguru Akal Purukh at our level.
People take Brahgyani as a mahapurukh, or someone who has attained spiritual enlightment, but Fifth patsahee in His pure Bani says that Brahmgyani is Himself the Lord.
So all the names mentioned in the posts above of those individuals are for sure not Bramgyani, which again is not the case, for different concepts and things are being mixed here.
One side is,  Barhmgyani, a Gurmukh,  Guru Sahiban ....which are He Himself , and through them can we only reach Him. 
On the other side we have notable individuals, incarnations, trinities, etc etc etc ... which are absolutely not Him.
So please let us not mix up things.
Our attention should only be  on Guru Jee and Waheguru Akal Purukh, for as the Bani says:  MAT KOEE BOOLAY SANSAAR, BIN SATGUR KOEE NA UTRAAS PAAR.
Many notable individuals have come and gone, but as said above, going towards Him and merging and becoming one with Him, is not like going to a foreign land for a cettain time and then returning back.
The Ocean comes to the the shore whenever it wants so, by first becoming a wave, and as such,  each time it comes ashore, it is a bit different or better said not the same as any previous wave, for once the wave has returned into the Ocean, it has become the Ocean, so naturally, the Ocean has to become a new and a different wave, when it wants to  come to the shore again, for the purpose of taking those drops of water which are ready to merge into the Ocean, by first enveloping them into itself (the wave), then only the drops and the wave merge and become one with the Ocean.
 

Sikhilove Jee, can you please provide where in the Bani does it say, that we are one? 
Please do not mould the Bani to your thought process, rather try to understand well the Bani, then only make conclusions, for whatever else you say is acceptbale in your posts, but when you come to describe Him, you give your own thoughts, whcih do not match Sikhee. 
Maybe you have been impressed by some school philosophy in your life, but in no way does it match when you say all is god,  or all of us are god , and so on .... 
If it was so as you say, Guru Jee would have never written the following Shabad, where He perfectly describes our present condition, and His true nature, which is the only Truth to be accepted and followed, anything else is "manmat":
 
soriT mhlw 5(613-10)
sorath mehlaa 5
Sorat'h, Fifth Mehl
hm mYly qum aUjl krqy hm inrgun qU dwqw ]
ham mailay tum oojal kartay ham nirgun too daataa.
We are filthy, and You are immaculate, O Creator Lord; we are worthless, and You are the Great Giver.
hm mUrK qum cqur isAwxy qU srb klw kw igAwqw ]1]
ham moorakh tum chatur si-aanay too sarab kalaa kaa gi-aataa. ||1||
We are fools, and You are wise and all-knowing. You are the knower of all things. ||1||
mwDo hm AYsy qU AYsw ]
maaDho ham aisay too aisaa.
O Lord, this is what we are, and this is what You are.
hm pwpI qum pwp KMfn nIko Twkur dysw ] rhwau ]
ham paapee tum paap khandan neeko thaakur daysaa. rahaa-o.
We are sinners, and You are the Destroyer of sins. Your abode is so beautiful, O Lord and Master. ||Pause||
qum sB swjy swij invwjy jIau ipMfu dy pRwnw ]
tum sabh saajay saaj nivaajay jee-o pind day paraanaa.
You fashion all, and having fashioned them, You bless them. You bestow upon them soul, body and the breath of life.
inrgunIAwry gunu nhI koeI qum dwnu dyhu imhrvwnw ]2]
nirgunee-aaray gun nahee ko-ee tum daan dayh miharvaanaa. ||2||
We are worthless - we have no virtue at all; please, bless us with Your gift, O Merciful Lordand Master. ||2||
qum krhu Blw hm Blo n jwnh qum sdw sdw dieAwlw ]
tum karahu bhalaa ham bhalo na jaanah tum sadaa sadaa da-i-aalaa.
You do good for us, but we do not see it as good; You are kind and compassionate, forever and ever.
qum suKdweI purK ibDwqy qum rwKhu Apuny bwlw ]3]
tum sukh-daa-ee purakh biDhaatay tum raakho apunay baalaa. ||3||
You are the Giver of peace, the Primal Lord, the Architect of Destiny; please, save us, Your children! ||3||
qum inDwn Atl suilqwn jIA jMq siB jwcY ]
tum niDhaan atal sulitaan jee-a jant sabh jaachai.
You are the treasure, eternal Lord King; all beings and creatures beg of You.
khu nwnk hm iehY hvwlw rwKu sMqn kY pwCY ]4]6]17]
kaho naanak ham ihai havaalaa raakh santan kai paachhai. ||4||6||17||
Says Nanak, such is our condition; please, Lord, keep us on the Path of the Saints. ||4||6||17||
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Can you see the simplicity and beauty and above all true gyan and differences between us or all beings and  Him, described perfectly by Guru Jee?
Our origin and destiny is Him, but, for the moment we are not Him.
We are bound in the endless cycle of births and deaths, He IS NOT.
We have karmas and sanskaras of countless lives, HE HAS NOT.
We have mind and we are prisoners in Maya, HE IS NOT.
We  imperfect and limited, HE IS PEREFCT AND INFINITE.
If we are a drop, then HE IS THE INFINITE OCEAN. (so unless the drop merges in the Ocean, it remains a drop, thus limited)
If we are a ray of  Sun, then HE IS THE SUN. (so unless the ray returns in the sun, it is a simple and a limited ray)
So you see, in no way we are Him.
Please refrain from such comments, read the Bani and understand it fully, if needed be in the company of HIS lovers, in order to elevate your consciousness level where correct and right understanding is reached by His grace.
Gurbani in each shabad, in each ang, makes us aware of our current state of separation from Him with all that implies, and gives us the right directions/techniques to apply them practically in our present lives and reunite our surtees with Him, by merging in Him.

Agreed, but the picture above also shows the heights of madness of this guy.