vijaydeep Singh

Gurfateh Dear Charles, Das finds himself so far not been very succseeful to express Sikh Panth so far but that is in in Hand of God but concepts here a bit differnt so forgive Das and kindly bear with something which could be very new to yourself but if God wills das will be sucessful to satisfy your inqustiveness but will of God is must. If we se then this is one of the main attribute of most of the Prophets but as das agrees to you that they have message but it does tells about something to come and control of time is in hands of God. When we say one God then it means that nothing else but God exisits.And all creation is nothing but manfestation of God.So no one else but God.But most prohets did understood to be more as an entity which was off couse by will of God. but in our Gurus case they were limbs of God say hand of Man while univeerse is body of God.As still you belive creation and creator as differnt so you will find it diffcult to understand but you will be explainted more on thread about attributes of God. well here withing our body lives the soul and within cells of our body in atoms lives our God.God salvages many by just letting them relaise the truth. Only choosen few had god wanted all to be salvaged then why chould have manifestation of Maoommon being done by God by self which you call creation. God in many does has pleasures like that of doing Good or evil,but some he uses to help other relaise God. From the God who was in them and is in you and me and all.

Gurfateh Dear Chrales, Das here also made a sort of reltive stament.to be absolute thing. It is in the control of God to salvage person God wants. Even if we do very good works apparantly yet God may not salvage us.Das knows that salvage means saving litraly. And even if we do aprantly very Bad deeds but then to God can salvage us. God who is omnipotant does all.And can do all and we can not bound that(you do not come into control(of anyone) Guru Granth Sahib Ji). then regarding God's being separted from creation. Had this been hypothaiticaly then creator needed some space to exsist and to creat creation therein. but how is it possbile for creator in space to make space.And if creator already exist in space then who made that space? to be clearer A(creator) has to occupy some space say(xBy Y BY Z) to exisit. Say B is the creation then if it is mdae out side (xBy Y BY Z) then that other sapce who made? If A contracted within (xBy Y BY Z),to makie space for B in (xBy Y BY Z) then outisde space of this was lmiting A and that could not be made by A but bigger then A(so can not be God). Say A made space outside (xBy Y BY Z) then at which space was space for B was made and who made that sapce. Lastly who made (xBy Y BY Z) whre A exisited.

Gurfateh Dear Charse, Till we act good deeds while being a doer then we will keep on getting rewards of our acts so we may get heavan but no salvation. To get salvation ie freedom from all pains we need to get free of all self pleasuring things also. So we need to get us free from our own ego. Once we surrender to God,then God takes care of us.Then we became that(God) ie one with God.

Gurfateh Charsles you are welcomed here and das(writer as humble slave of God will answer the query by mercy of Akal(eternal God of Sikhs and humans). Hello there. Prophets are those who make prophepessess about future. and are entity to themsleves. Our Gurus did not behold themselves as an entity. They used term like dogs,lowest of lower for themselves. even insects for them selves. They did not behold them selves as entity at all.They behold them as part or toll of God whose body is whole universe and beyind.within and without. So thier actions,bodies,wrods all were of God and not of them.Same is true for all of us.We do not know but they did realise this by mercy of God.(deutrinomy in old Trestment also say that all within and without is of God). So being non entity themselves they behold them as servent or slave of God like hand of das is typing the keyboard. Gurus behold that all humans have one soul.Das personal commetns are that sprit is another level of body. Soul is same as God and when a person is salvaged while being alive in body sprit(mind+soul) dies ie mind is dead and hence ego attached to mind.Only soul is left which is one with God. So in such situations when our body is under direct control of God so we say that al people with such state are having one brain ie brain of God. Like same electricity from same source enlighteing many bulbs but this is a realtive term.(it is like state of being in holy Ghost). In the body of Guru Nanak,Guru(God) of Nanak ie word had control and did let Gods own word come out.Same state can still be acheived by any mankind Sikh or non Sikh b ut by mercy of Akal.Present Guru Panth Khalsa idealy be like that.(lord Jesus said that His father does everything and no differance between him and his father) Every word is word of God.But some are realtive and some are absolute.Guru Granth Sahib Ji has verse to let us know absolute as in past Books of God were being misinterpreted by vested interests by influnce of mammon.but by will of God as God wanted Guru Panth Khalsa to be started. Creation has been made and destroyed many times since infinatly.So there could be infinatie Adem(PBUH).He is emtioned as Father but not as first Man. Like Before Adem of old testment and gensis we can not say that God never created universe before and destroyed it.God is onmin potant and can do make(create) and break(destroy) univers many time. We are told that God was First and will be last(omega and Alafa).Sprits are made but will be destroyed one day intial postion of nothing else but God can be obtained but presently also same thing is there but only few enlightened know. OUr God is beyond time,space and matter so as in circle we do not know who is first so we can not say where the first men could be.Within a same space we can can have first men of many times.Our God is Athan(spaceless) Japu Sahib,Akal(timeless) Dehheen(matterlesss). And we are same.It is not mysitisim but quantum theory(see srigranth.org(JapuJi Sahib)sridasam.org(Japu Sahib),it is just the start of ocean knwn as God who is unending. There is a question that has God been of any form then who made that god? And had God occpied sapce then place hwere that god sat,who made that space? God by self spoke in own body.That could be Angeera of holy Vedas or Adem(PBUH) of Holy Bible.or both. While das is writing something here on the same space some other world could exisit in some other time or say at micro organism level. there are no hindi scriptures nor hindu scriputres as you said but they came much after wrold and Sikh faith(it is here since world /universe was made) was made. so there are Sanatan Dharmi(eternal faiths) scriptures called Vedas which are four.And we have four Semtic Books called Kateeb(Taurait and Jabur(old Testment),Anjeel(New Testment) and Holy Kuran). In our Guru Granth Sahib Ji it is clearly said. do not behold Vedas or Kateebs false but false are those who do n ot think over them. If you see God in all then why should you kill chicken (in Halal Manner). As God Has to manifest self in the form of Gurus are preivous words of God were not beeing followed correclty and reltive terms were given preferances over absolute terms(some Sikhs are doing same mistake with own scriptures but Panth itslef acts as Guru and fix the problem). As Halal or Kosher is dome to show differance between flesh and blood as apprant saying of God to Abraham(PBUH) who was formery Abram to put blood of animal on ground as blood is life.What God actualy meant was to kill animal correctly and not let it dei half and prolonged death.So did this correction was sent. As in Old Testment only in book of Issaiah,God is told to omin visible(verse is Oh God,what man has seen or heard beside thee since creation and what are tings which are waiting for Man).No answer to this malkes it statement shwoing God in things and all colurs(which are type of light,god is Anubhav Prakash(feeeling of light). All the semtic Prophets were doing as God made them to do.But they were at the side of Truth(Das is uisng source more then Guru Granth Sahib Ji but these source do not go against the idelogy of Guru Granth Sahib Ji either). But Budhism and Jainism is not approved as Faith in Sikhs as these two do not recoganise God and give emphsis of deeds of man by himslef while Sikhs have faith that God is one who makes thing happen and man is only tool.(in old Testment again God says that I do good and evil and I bring peace and war). Even at soem place Jainism is condemned also for ritualism and acts which can lead us away from God. they can be more idealogy or life style but can not religeon and Budha and Bodhtisavas or Mahveers Parwanath and previous Thirthankers can never be Prophets as there is God there so how can we have some send by that as a mesanger. Due to previous faiths going more after dead prophets and trying to tie God with rules of testments,Making follower go for heavan for good or hell for bad but such all things are decayable ,only God is eternal and will reamin and we need to sing Glory of the same. Only in God we have trust.No Guru,No Prophet,no incarntions. We are spritual and not fundmentialists.(Foolishness of God (as appear to us) is much more then ouor cleverness(Anjeel)) We try to influnce God by our acts but we need to know that God is the one makes us move as God wants(in Angeel,Lord Jesus say,Father I tok care of those who you sent to me,Same lord does came in fromt of Saul to make him Paul). So faith in God that mattters and not our deeds. Well Wrold is divided in Asia,Africa,Eurpoe etc. by men. Man made suez Canal or Panam Canal. Sea rouse and Pangea moved by nature into America,Aurstraila or new world. Bearing strip was a bridge. So Message of God of Sikhs is that he is in each atm and in vaccum so why to divide world.God is in earth in the form of Mother. So see God in all.And behave with all as you must behave with your God. To come to Panth behold all as family,win mind(ego or selfishnes) and this will win unioverse for you(all all willbne yours).(Japu Ji Sahib_ Panth(faith) moves to kill Duja Bhav ie semce of dultiy. That deals with concept about them and us but as there is no one beside thee oh Lord God so there is on one second(duja) to God and as God is in all then why to thinik that other person is differant from us. In life,In Water,In Land,In all From,in All Kings(God exists) Triya Charitar 266 Dasham Granth. Sikhs have trinty in them but all three are one. It is words from God(Gurbani),which is our Guide and Guru Granth Sahib Ji are topmost and first of three books(Sri Dasham Granth and Sri Sarbloh Granth).and from the Former Frist we interpret the latter two. It is Called Sabad Guru ie verbal form of spritual guide. Then we also have Guru Panth ie Community by itself acts as Guru and guide going after the teaching of scriptures. It is strange but Panth Khalsa behold itslef as Avtar(incarntaion) or manifestation of God in present Era.As a Sikh das is part of that faith which considers self as own guide and no need of outsider. It is like concept of reveleation that people in Jerusalam decening on earth will act like God after last day of judgement. But we may obtain the state of being one with God while being alive. But both Guru Panth and Guru Granth Sahib Ji are made and can be destoyed by one who made them. Absloute guide is Gurbar Akal(eternal God of Sikhs). So our Guide is God via verbal manifeation of Gurbani. Fell free to ask more question and das gets divine pleasue to sing glory of his God Akal.Who is God of Jews and in our Faith Jews are behold as tribe of Aryan(Brahmins ie who recoganise God).(Sau Sakhi).

Gurfateh 1)In Sgpc Maryada ardas is with Var Bhaguti Ji Ki but missionaries doubt it. 2) They doubt all verses by Tenth Master while they are mentioned as Gurbani in sgpce Maryada 3) they say that it was Brhimn who banned Halal eat else it is also OK for us. 4)Even Amrit Sanskar is beheld as Brahminacal ritual. and list of thier such own Maryada is limitless. But Sants if say do not eat meat will mean that we will be always saved from Halal.and list of thier corrections are endless.

Gurfateh Same True with Gobind Sadan.

Gurfateh If we sew the Thorhs(a sort of fold ) of Dhoti it may be like Kachhera but Hindus wear Langot. It is correct that when Rajput touches plaugh(hal) he is converted to Krishaka Vaishya hence Jaat.Chauhan,Solanki,Gahlaut(Gill),Tanwar(Tomar) are common Gotras between Jaats and Rajputs. In fact lower castes like Valmiki also have similar gotras which proves that they too had Rajput ancestors forced to do menial work by invaders.

Gurfateh Well many things das agree but many things are copying Brhamanism from hindus. Like Nishan Sahib or Khanda in meat shops say Nihungs may drink or serve meat in thier Gurudwaras. Likewise what about Sadhana ,the butcher devootee.

Gurfateh In Islam four books or Kateeb are respected but more respected is prophet onto whom last book was sent. But in Sikhs Guru Granth Sahib themselve enjoy the status of prophet. Only in some section of Shia does Holy Kuran is aclled Nubi(Which may gbe refered to Nabi or Prophet but das has seen good lot of disscussion among Islamic scholars on that).

Gurfateh Some Hindutva people say that they are from Arrati Gantantra(Republic) or Aryans.But others say that that is for Kirarhs or Arora. As per James todd Jatts have sythian orgeon ie from Hunas and Sakas who came to India. Same gotra can be there in Germans like gill,mann,birck/birk/birck,Sando(Sandhu) etc. Even similarty is there with Marthas also ie Mane(Mann),Saluke(Solanki),Shinde(Sandhu),Ranadive(Randhawa) etc. They are bacialy agricultral tribe but also good in others works. In present world set up such races are irreleveant and Islam and Sikh Panth both being of semitc origeon do not recoganise races in theory and when Faith is strong in practicle. Yuo can say that you pagan ancestors were Cheema before convewrsion to Islam. Cheemas were decendant of those Chaphani/Chahmaan/Chauham Rajputs who started to cultivate.As Rajput who in past touched plugh was considered lower to Rajputs(son of kingom or rulers) so they were called jaat(a Farmer and hence Vaishya Varna). you can refer to annels and antiquities of Rajasthan for more.

Gurfateh Das only wanted you to have same power as other ghost busters have in that Dera and then teach thing to others also.so such long thing was writtan.

Gurfateh Gurbar Akal is always in front of us and Gurbani guides us. there is verse that Wrold sees Gurus but understadning Gurbani makes us suffesfull(perhaps to recoganise). 10 forms of Gurus are back in primal form of Gurbar Akal. Two visible form are Guru Panth and Guru Granth.

Gurfateh Like hunger for food is Kam or lust for food so is lust for Sex.It is in built. So no need to have guilt complex of natural things.Dharama or rightoisness comes when we see food of otehrs while being hungery but do not eat as it not meant for us. So desire may come to your doorstep like that desire for food.but second thought that it is not rithiuos for us to have it removes that evil.Guilt which was to be done is undone. your seeking help from Sangat itself proves that you have won the battle so far. anyway fi you are unmaaried you can think of getting married. otherwise if you donot want the same then eat less,sleep less and do tirieng physical exicsrsie in free time.And do read Gurbani. There is nothing Unnatural in you so far.Some time das also feels attracted towards girls.At that time by mercy of Akal das may get this thing in head that there is n o differant between that lady and das as Akal is there and here and inbetween then what lust to get something already in you.This body and that body are false as will decay.But again all in hand in Akal. surrender yourself to God and let God take overall control.

Gurfateh Das wants to say that if some person who is possed hates Gurbani then we do not have to go to Himachal Pradesh for treatment. Individual Sikh can have that much power herself/himslef.Not only he/she is saved by Ghosts but also saves other. What as per das is occult is uasing matter to defeat ghost and later on human(If we see Baber Bani and Attack on Saidpur we will get the Verse which shows that occult cann not prevetn powerfull humans then how can body less Ghost be prevented. Baba Vadhbhag Singh Ji used nam or name of Akal.dera uses Baba Nahar Singh and Baba Vadbhag Singh Ji's Kamai or supernatural powers. For Hindus and turbanned Hindus it is OK.But repected Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji are also not 101% wrong. thinking Ghost or spirit something differant from us.Possesed as differant entity and ghost busster as Third and ourself as fouth. Well Duality or Duja Bhav is multiplied to four here. so Brother again Das is not saying that Baba or Dera is fake or they do not have power.Or say Kamia or spirit or Hawa of Baba's or Shaeeds is fake or powerless. let us see,Islam does not say astology is fake but yet as a rule Muslims are told to stay away from it. In Panth say some relative is under the influnce of Ghost.Say for Das. It one way to take her to Dera of Baba Vadbhag Singh Ji or say Ajeet Darbar here in Delhi. On Nishan Sahib a peacock feather is kept(this is symbol of Goga peer while as per Shaster naal Mala Puran feather our Peer are five and sabree is one and on Nishan Sahib Goga peer has no right).If feather is from Baba Vadbhag Singh ji then only for title Singh we can tolrate it perhaps. Then holy Water with title amrit is supplied and we are told to enpower it with Dhan Guru Nanak and drink it. All this is OK. But better way.See Ghost and possesd as Form of Akal and Thank Akal for coming in the form of Ghost in the body of relative(who is also form of Akal).It is our test in faith of Akal taken via form of ghost unto us. If we thank for painfull period(Behold the will of Akal as sweet is main thing of Gurmat) as this gives us a chance to rember Akal.Ghost is for good. Then if possible possed could be taken to Sant Mahapurush and if possbile to spychiatrists.But often docters can do little. Sants can negotiaite with Ghost and can do something to salvage that. sometime ghost comes to person who use unfair means in life.or are edvoid of faith or just are gentiaclyy senstive to para n oramal. Some time ghost is poor and forced unto victom by foe by spell or Jadu toona. Das here is just saying that Baba vadhbhag Singh ji are not the only way. as per Sikhs better is to rely on Jantra of Jantras,Tantra of Tantras and Mantra of MAntras,who is Dharma of Pret and apret ie Akal. Well Sants may not use physical itemes or pictures or spirits to bust ghost but name of Akal.(like we have it in Christians). so side of Das is that form of Sikhism which can make you powerfull as Guru himslef and then you can make your mother OK and she may have same form. Das repeats that we must encourage Baba Vadbhag Singh Ji's Dera and can learn a lot.But many things there are unacceptable there for true Sikhs.Like pictures or some similar occult like thuings,but they are just there to raise the level of confidance in good agasnt evil in victom. but such victom had he/she been Sikh could prefer to die inhand of ghost then give up faith in Akal.But Akal also is in dera. As you said that power is in kamai then that earning or Kamai is not what Baba Ji earned but what Baba Ji got from Akal. coming to our side means that Akal if Akal wants you to have such gift/donation of power which you call Kamai ,you can be at our side. Das has tired to be as neutral as possible as Das does recogansie the power of Baba Wadbhag Singh Ji yet das is aware that by following gurbani we can have same or more power.And we can treat victom ourself(Das doubt the thing that Panj Piaras of any Jatha can do it without the mercy of Akal themselves).By mercy of Akal Purukh not only Ardas of Panj Piaras but Ardas by simple single Khalsa can also do the same. Elseee Sant who is one with Akal in fact invoke same energy in ghost ie Akal is Sant tells the Akal is ghost to act as Akal wants and Ghost can recoganise own spirit and can be salvaged. At least once try to meet Rara Sahib Person in ilford,or some Nirmala or sewa Panthi or Akali Nihung or someone from Jatha Bhindran who knows Brah Vidya.It is online(gursikhijeevan.com) and you can learn youself and remove trouble from victom and let victom also leran the same.Itr is upto him or her. Baba Vadhbhag Singh also did all by mercy of Akal and naam.anyway if posssible otherwise you can go to same Dear and ask them to teach you there skill and you can have your own dera and school to teach ghost busting in whole of the british community. Main aim of writing das is that you yourself learn what all is done there and then teach that thing to us.We will defiantly like to rise our knowldge. so instead of propogating that Dear is good take some time to learn that how does it work and use the same mechaism for treating others. You will understand that why das is so much after Gurbani.If you ask them they will also tell you that power is in faith and other occult is secondary.Perhpas there oculd be some more secrets to be revealed. So instead of picture or video at least try to learn the methods yourself.And then we will compare them with methids das supports and coming to Gurmat,we have space to accomdate the whole world. Das knows that there are one Sant from Dera who visit UK sometimes in year.Yuo can contact him and pray for learning thier methods. Then perhaps you will be able to prove your point to Gyani Sahib also.Just do not follow what other shows but try that let others also teach you the same. Baba Vadhbhag Singh ji are Dhanya or Dhan Dhan but Akal can produce billions like that and like wise Gurus,Avtars and Prophets within fraction of second.So while rembering Baba Ji never forget that who actauly works in Baba Ji ie Akal. So far they take use of power in the Name Nanak. but do leanr what all are sources of power in them.Akal willing satge of salvaged being alive make us one with that power which enpowers all.Sabh Main Jot Jot Hai Soi Jis dei Chanan Sabh Mai Chanan Hoi.Due respect to Baba Ji.

Gurfateh Balbeer Singh Ji are our meember here and has site saysatsriakal.com and spn is another forum.

Gurfateh Bimillah Al Rahmaan Al Raheem. Dear Bro, are you the same young man das has interacted with at other forum.What so ever be warm welcome and Ahlan Wa Sahlan. Allah Hafiz.Think yourself mong your own people.There could be only differance like that of 21 and 19 between us and you.And at later stage ie at higher spritual level we all are same.

Gurfateh Order of Bhai Amritpal Singh Ji on forehead and head ie sirmaathe par. Well dear bro IS Dillion, Das opposed picture or idol or dead based upon what is Told in Dasham Granth and Sarbolh Granth. Yuo can get status of Baba Vadhbhag Singh by Namabhays.There are books on it and they help by qouting from Gurbani. There is verse by Akal onto Bhagat Namdev Ji, Bhariav Bhhot Sitala Dhayve... It tells that occult does not leads us to salvation. Das knos that Baba Vadhbhag Singh has power but you can have same power within you. You can be Swaroop of Guru Gobind Singh as by Khalsa(Sarbloh Granth).and we are not Tantics but yogis ie Raj Yogis. If you want to come on our side then das can help you,We have Balbeer Singh Ji also here and and on spn who could put more light on that stage when sprit also does not exist.Akal Bless. (Das has givne the referance from historic texts which are beyond bound of time as being wriitan by Guru)(Raj Leela Tere Naam Banai,Jog Baniya Tera Kirtan Gayee).

Gurfateh Dear xylitol, Well Baba Wadbhag Singh can not be put in line with Radhswamis or Namdharis. and to brother indy, Well if while having pictures and grave/Samadh worship etc. is there at dera due to ritaulism creeping in.And there are supernatural powers. Well das can assure you that these are lmited powers. By worship of Akal and will of Akal we move as Guru told us in three scriptures. So it is som thing else that Gosht comes unto us and we remove it with Help of Dera. But Gurbani has power to make us enter the body of Ghost and make Ghost work as we want.Baba Wadbhag Singh dera may not have such power. Lastly das request you that in future if you have similar problem then try to visit Karamsar Gurudwara at ilford,essex of Rara Sahib. If Akal permits,they will make you as kamai wallah as Baba Wadhbhag Singh Ji. Gurubani makes as same as Guru Gobind Singh ji himself. In UK you could contact Sanatan Sikhs also for help.May be it is first chance that you swa this dera only.there are still many deras with more powers.But all is false other then Akal.

Gurfateh using pitcher and coconut is manmat as per sgpce maryada. Anyway coconut symbolisise the head.As we could not keep oour head under Gurus feet(ie Matha Tekna) all the time of Path so we kee it as symbol oof head in refuge of Guru. Likewise pitcher is symbol of Waters getting holy by verses vibrations.Some people do give scintific proofs also.But our Mani aim of Path has to be let our brain and mind get blessed and we are one with Akal after understadning Gurubani.

Gurfateh Das can pick 18Kg weapon but with two hands but lol no to very little control and perhaps latter one may have an apponitment to orthopathic person. So no one can be like Baba Ji. But bringing his spirit onto mortal by chowki and fullfiling the wishes could not be true.Akal fulfils wishes.

Gurfateh Das wants to add one thing here as Brother Karamjeet has mentioned.We are not told to avoid Baba Vadhbhag Singh ji at all.It is to do with Dheermalias while Baba Ji ended Dheermailias by undergoing Baptism or Amrit Sanskar from Nawab Kapur Singh Ji.So he was a Sikh. Yes bowing to Tombs and Picure is forbiddan for person from Khalsa Panth or who is from Guru Panth.This may not apply to unbaptised or Sahijdhari yet Guru does not like this.We can try hard to remove this thing from Dera Baba Vadhbhag Singh ji by presuing them by love after joining them.We did same from manay of the Gurudwaras in past. All have something wrong at least and we can try to bring them to right tract instead of opposing them vihemently.

Gurateh Sorry but was naware of that at the time of visit.

Gurfateh Das visited this fair but for Alam Granthawali for Raagmala issue

Gurfateh Body of Adam was made up of dust(Gensis).

Gurfateh WEll iron Singh JI, Das can recogoanise his Grandpa well within multitudes of seudo names. He is veryly Baba Rajinder Singh. Raj from Rajinder and s from Singh. Lets us see. DAS tells Rajs to the an online ought in the name of Father,son and Holy Ghost or say only by the name of Lord Yesu Khristi(in Aryan Languages this is name of Messaya).THat he is Rajs and not Chaudhari Rajinder Singh Nijher Jatt. He must not underestiamte the capabilities of Nijjer baba Ji who take the form of rajs. Das is telling you one more thing.Other than being past of rss das has past with an intelligence agency of goi and it is real. And by usage of pattern recoganistion das can recoganise his Grand Pa Baba Nijjer. it is good to have him here. Das wants his return at sikhphilosophy.net. There we have another brillinat brother Jass Singh Ji. He had some influence basded upon hoax and rumours surroaunding Kartarpur Beerh which Das plased on rest. But this was anti to secternal consideration of one of our group.So they will keep on givng fed to Jass Singh ji also.