GurjantGnostic

I wish these topics were on the tabla rythyms not the time of day. Try and research tabla beats and you wind up with this same above chart over and over and over. And no drums.

Never been closer to God though.

Kinda feelin like I've reached a point in my life where I don't have much to say as I used to. Maybe Akal is finally pacifying my speech...if I comment less don't think I'm not here or interested...just tired of talking to these devils throughout life, tired of talking about politics and world issues...ready to just do me and let it all fall if it must.

Facts

Free Jagtar Singh Johal.

In the middle is Jagtar getting tortured without charges. Speaks for itself.

So the Gurudwara doesn't even have to be 501c3, it can be. The Sangat should have multiple religous exempt groups that are the peoples not the property. That actually run things in the Gurudwara from the outside. Based on Panj Pyare and representative family government.

Pull the plug on Daswandh and let's all make camps and Bungas and minimalist Gurudware.

A Gurudwara only needs the rent, lights, heat, and langar paid, and some, of that is debateable especially if the owning family...owns the real estate at the end. Like really the owners should pay all or most of the rent, at least some. Sangat pays power and heat etc. Langar is donated. So really Gurudware owners should only expect free utilities, and subsidized mortgage payments. Everything else? Can happen at the Gurudwara sure. Doesn't have to be done by the Gurudwara but the Sangat in a compassionate Anarcho Purtan Gursikh way.

Really Gurudware should be owned, and that property should have clear rules regarding that, that keep it secure. They don't need much if any Golak for that. If a trust can be made to perpetuate and a leadership system put in place sure, but we cannot be tied to buildings. They're camping spots really. The Golak and Daswandh should be independent of the Gurudware. That should largely be spent directly and quietly or coordinated through drives for this or that. Really only a small percent of people's Daswandh should ever hit the Gurudware. Most of the assets, finances, all sorts of things should be owned by individual Sikhs and Family groups held in trust for all. In their own war chests ready for events. If we get money and democracy out of the Gurudware we can solve all this.

Good point. That was out of respect for the existing Gurudware ownership problems where based on charter any group coupd join en masse and vote a takeover. Really caste should never play a role and we should scuttle those charters. And only make Gurudware that don't have these ownership democracy issues.

We are now at war internally and externally. If we resolve the internal the external will not matter. There is no room for hypocrisy in Sikhi. If you're adharmi you better go or lay low.

There's only two real Sikh forums. Only one of them is run well. Ergo defacto, this is actually the online Takht of Sikhi. Invite all the narcissism back from social media to come represent.

What to do? Stop using social media. Only use social media to link people to this forum, where we can have threads for each major issue, not tweets. Two, run our mouths non stop to make all fakes uncomfortable. And outsiders aware of what we're truly about. Be willing to be violent in defense of your words. Make publically cleaning house a form of Parchar. Embarass ourselves until there's nothing to be embarrassed about. Forget about punjabis, while real Sikhs congregate and invite everybody.

Like this thread on SS shows. If we don't bust these busters they're gonna ruin Sikhi and Maharaj will move on to a new Paanth. Period. A Journey Into Sikhi Akali Vadbhag Singh Nihung singh1986 replied to InderjitS's topic in WHAT'S HAPPENING? I heard recently that he has now converted back to Buddhism because of the discrimination he faced from punjabi community? Very sad if this.

I feel like I'm ripping my Dhari on one side when I sleep. What's the discipline for this? Wrapping? Sheet selection?

This is also why we're hemorrhaging members to christian cults. Not even to real Yeshua.

Restricting Gurudware leadership or ownership by whatever lines, is one thing. Restricting anything about the Gurudawre other than that based on caste or mistreating others based on Vaaran? Either evict those Sikhs, put em in line or put em out, or take Guru Ji in the night and burn those mothers to the ground. That's what's up now. . We need to go to war on ourselves yesterday. March them phonies.

Understanding evil comes in waves and levels for sure.

You know where we're open and vulnerable? I successfully defended against all these accusations, but our enemies are able to point and laugh at jatt casteism overrunning Sikhi, caste based Gurudware and the way we treat dalits. They're at least half right. We need to treat chumar and dalits better, no joke, adhere to Vaaran and go to Narak. Gurmat super clear. Also super clear is our hypocrisy. Time to be very very...very...very... hostile to casteists. They don't give it up they're leaving the Paanth not just in spirit like Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj daid but visibly in the world today as we spank the ish outta em. Game on. Black Dastar on. You're a fake get outta Sikhi before I find and humiliate ya.

Facts. Pick a solid preferably traditional color.

Like...I can't even be mad. They nailed it.

This muslim dude is trolling us so hard.

Sikhi is Nirmal Paanth. It is Khalsa Paanth. It stands alone. It attests to itself. You could never hear of Jesus and get our salvation. But it turns out...fyi... God came to earth in a related form.

Another way to make this simple based in Gurbani. Gurbani validates Keetab and not quran. The dif between quran and Keetab is Jesus being God or a prophet. Ergo...