The Khalsa Fauj

Instead of running around on different forums giving challenges. Why don't you drag yourself to Toronto and bring along Sher Singh, Harpal Singh, etc. Lamba is in New York so he can come too. Also bring along Jodh Singh. Like I told you on SPN, bring live talk.

Those who are in Toronto, open challenge to live talk is still there. Feel free to email me to set up the talk. Lamba is also in NY, he can also come to help you folks.

You guys invited Gurinder Mann to speak on stage in California. How long are his hair? Thank you very much.

Like I said before, bring your best scholars and we will see who has knowledge, who is naastic and who doesn't believe in Guru Granth Sahib Ji. I don't have time to debate here. I was able to get a lot of important work done because I didn't waste time here. I thought you guys would be intelligent so I tried to educate you guys but I was just talking to walls that will only understand in manner they understand which isn't possible online. Only live debate would provide that setting. Once again, get your best North American scholars to debate in Toronto or Greater Toronto Area. http://www.singhsabhacanada.com/Video/29 Sheedi degh! Why do you say namaste?

I never heard about the part about him locking door on nihungs but he didn't go to Akaal Takht because Akaal Takht never called him. It was just Dhumaa and other nihungs thugs who were calling him. These also said they would kill Jaswinder if he shows up at Akaal Takht. Like I said before, why should he go when there was just going to be gundaa gardee? You said it yourself that there were thousands of these nihungs and dhummas. What did you need thousands for? I have no clue about the 2nd incident. Also, Dasam Granth Vichar manch Faridabaad just gave a challenge to debate. Take you 96 year old nihung baba from 96 crore budda dal to debate in Faridabaad. Those guys are always ready. ਬੀਬੀ ਬਸੰਤ ਕੌਰ, ਫ਼ਰੀਦਾਬਾਦ ਮਲਕੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੇ ਚੈਲੰਜ ਨੂੰ ਕਬੂਲਦਿਆਂ ਕਿਹਾ, ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਕਿਸੇ ਵੀ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਉਪਰ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਮੰਚ ਵੱਲੋਂ ੧੧ ਵਿਦਵਾਨਾਂ ਦਾ ਪੈਨਲ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਗੋਸ਼ਟੀ ਕਰਣ ਲਈ ਤਿਆਰ ਹੈ। : ਸ. ਉਪਕਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ (ਬੀਬੀ ਬਸੰਤ ਕੌਰ, ਫ਼ਰੀਦਾਬਾਦ) ਹਰੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਰੰਧਾਵੇ ਦੇ ਚੇਲੇ ਅਤੇ ਬਾਦਲ ਦਲੀਏ ਮਲਕੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਅਖਬਾਰਾਂ ਵਿੱਚ “ਪੰਜ ਤਖ਼ਤਾਂ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਕਿਸੇ ਵੀ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਉਤੇ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥੀ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਖੁਲ੍ਹੀ ਬਹਿਸ ਦਾ ਚੈਲੰਜ” ਇਸ਼ਤਿਹਾਰ ਦੇ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼ਨ ਉਤੇ ਪ੍ਰਤੀਕਰਮ ਕਰਦਿਆਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਸਮਰਪੱਤ ਜੱਥੇਬੰਦੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਮੰਚ ਇੰਟਰਨੈਸ਼ਨਲ ਦੇ ਕਨਵੀਨਰ ਸ. ਉਪਕਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੇ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਵਿੱਚ ਦਰਜ਼ ਬਾਣੀ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਗੁਰਸਿੱਖ ਦੁਬਿਧਾਵਾਂ ਦੇ ਹਲ ਲਈ ਵਿਚਾਰ-ਗੋਸ਼ਟੀ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ ਨਾ ਕਿ ਬਹਿਸ। ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਨਿਉਯਾਰਕ ਵਿਖੇ ਹਰੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਰੰਧਾਵੇ ਅਤੇ ਪ੍ਰੋਫੈਸਰ ਦਰਸ਼ਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਹੋਣ ਵਾਲੀ ਵਿਚਾਰ-ਗੋਸ਼ਟੀ ਨੂੰ ਸ਼ੁਰੂ ਹੋਣ ਤੋਂ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਹੀ ਗੋਸ਼ਟੀ ਦਾ ਇਹ ਕਹਿ ਕੇ ਭੋਗ ਪਾ ਦੇਣਾ ਕਿ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਇਸ ਦੀ ਇਜ਼ਾਜ਼ਤ ਨਹੀਂ ਦੇਂਦਾ ਤਾਂ ਇਸ ਸਾਰੀ ਘਟਨਾਕ੍ਰਮ ਪਿੱਛੇ ਸਾਧ ਰੰਧਾਵੇ ਦੀ ਬਹਾਨੇਖੋਰੀ ਹੀ ਜਾਪਦੀ ਹੈ ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਦੇ ਜਿਸ ਹੁਕਮਨਾਮੇ ਦਾ ਸਹਾਰਾ ਲੈ ਕੇ ਸਾਧ ਰੰਧਾਵਾ ਵਿਚਾਰਾਂ ਕਰਣ ਤੋਂ ਭੱਜ ਉਠਿਆ, ਉਹ ਸਨ ੨੦੦੦ ਦਾ ਹੁਕਮਨਾਮਾ ਸੀ ਜਦਕਿ ੨੦੦੬ ਦੇ ਨਵੇਂ ਹੁਕਮਨਾਮੇ ਵਿੱਚ ਜੋਗਿੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਵੇਦਾਂਤੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥੀ ਪਹਿਲਵਾਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਤੱਤ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਵਾਲਿਆਂ ਦੇ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਜੁਆਬ ਦੇਣ ਲਈ ਹੁਕਮਨਾਮਾ ਜਾਰੀ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ। ਇਸ ਲਈ ਹਰੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਰੰਧਾਵਾ ਅਤੇ ਉਸ ਦੀ ਜੁੰਡਲੀ ਜੋ ਨਿਉਯਾਰਕ ਵਿਖੇ ੨੫ ਮਈ ਨੂੰ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਦਾ ਸਹਾਰਾ ਲੈ ਕੇ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਗੋਸ਼ਟੀ ਛੱਡ ਗਏ ਸਨ ਉਹ ਭਗੋੜੇ ਹਨ। ਸ. ਉਪਕਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੇ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਜਿਹੜਾ ਹਰੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਰੰਧਾਵੇ ਵਾਲਾ ਨਿਉਯਾਰਕ ਵਿਖੇ ਹੋਣ ਵਾਲੀ ਬਹਿਸ ਨੂੰ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਦੇ ਹੁਕਮਨਾਮੇ ਦਾ ਸਹਾਰਾ ਲੈ ਕੇ ਛੱਡ ਆਇਆ ਤੇ ਆਖਦਾ ਰਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਵਿਸ਼ੇ ਤੇ ਬਹਿਸ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਰੋਕ ਹੈ ਤਾਂ ਹੁਣ ਕੀ ਮਲਕੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਤੇ ਹਰੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਰੰਧਾਵੇ ਨੇ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਤੋਂ ਪ੍ਰਵਾਨਗੀ ਲੈ ਲਈ ਹੈ? ਜਾਂ ਆਪਣੀ ਸ਼ਾਖ ਬਚਾਉਣ ਲਈ ਸਿਰਫ ਇਸ਼ਤਿਹਾਰਬਾਜ਼ੀ ਕਰ ਰਹੇ ਹਨ। ਸ. ਉਪਕਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ, ਨੇ ਸਰਦਾਰ ਮਲਕੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੇ ਚੈਲੰਜ ਨੂੰ ਕਬੂਲਦਿਆਂ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਕਿਸੇ ਵੀ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਉਪਰ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਮੰਚ ਵੱਲੋਂ ੧੧ ਵਿਦਵਾਨਾਂ ਦਾ ਪੈਨਲ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਗੋਸ਼ਟੀ ਕਰਣ ਲਈ ਤਿਆਰ ਹੈ ਜੇਕਰ ਇਸ ਦਾ ਸਿੱਧਾ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਰਣ ਟੀ. ਵੀ ਚੈਨਲਾਂ ਰਾਹੀਂ ਕਰਵਾਉਣ ਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਬੰਧ ਕੀਤਾ ਜਾਏ ਤਾਂ ਜੁ ਸੱਚ-ਝੂਠ ਦਾ ਨਿਬੇੜਾ ਸਿੱਖ ਸੰਗਤਾਂ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਸਾਮੂਹਿਕ ਤੌਰ `ਤੇ ਕੀਤਾ ਜਾ ਸਕੇ। http://thesikhaffairs.org/contact.html

Like I said, bring proper live debate and we will see who runs. The stuff that was discussed in 5 days could have been discussed in 2 hours during live debate and results would have been more useful. If you think you are going to drag me back into this, it isn't going to work. You can call into Sher E Punjab radio and say you want to be on the show. Then we will know who runs to save grace and who hangs up the phone when there are no answers. http://www.sherepunjabradio.ca/ Sunday at 11 AM EST. Program is called Dilaa Dee Saanjh. Bring your greatest maharathees to live debate and we will see what happens.

Inder, we can discuss that rehatnama at live debate too. We can discuss all those point during live debate on who keeps rehat and who doesn't. As for formal education, I don't like to brag about things which can prove to be egomaniac. Inder, lets have a debate. You have been here for 30 years but don't have cash to travel to Toronto? I am not even that old; not even close. Come one, you can't beat a kid in live debate?

I told you before too, I am not kala afgana. Also, that video is edited big time but I don't want to get into another debate here. Like I said, that was 9 years ago and that was kala afgana. He does things according to his liking. We do things differently so bring debate to TO (Toronto, Ontario). We will get 3-6 people, you guys can also get 3-6 people. Also no thug activities like Ghagga time because I don't like that bull. Everyone will be given enough time to speak regardless of how long it takes. mod note: baseless accusations against kathakars without evidence not allowed.

Like I said before, live debate is what would get the job done. Talk here is not proper as it takes too long so it isn't effectice or efficient. Bijlaa Singh, debates onliine will never solve any issue. Inder Singh, I know you can't debate because you aren't allowed to. You are doing your job very well to be honored but bring you game to live debate.

I can't go to India. There are two reasons: 1. I don't have the cash 2. I don't have a valid passport as mine expired in 98 and Indian govt. won't give me one anytime soon Since your scholars are ready, inform spokesman and get the debate arranged. There are Gurmat Scholars there in India that will be able to handle the karam kaandis without a problem. Jaswinder SIngh gave an open challenge that anyone who proves Dasam Granth to be the work of Guru Gobind SIngh Ji will get 1 crore rupees in victory. How come no one has accepted his challenge? What is the problem? Spokesman is always ready to put headlines related to dasam granth to get something done. Why don't you get your scholars and tell them to issue statement. There will be gentlemen ready to debate your hand picked dudes.

Like I said before, bring live debate. I don't want to get into aatmaa concept now or what aatmaa means. Like I said before, I don't have time to waste here online. Bring game to debate and we can talk there. Someone said I didn't answer shabads about Apay Naaree, the reason is typing aarths and explaining will take too long so I won't bother doing it here. Bring it to the debate and we can talk there. I got other things to do than talk all day online here. It is time to move on. When you guys have a scholar ready to debate, send me an email and we will arrange debate in Toronto area.

Like I said before, there is no point debating here. Previous post was final post on this topic. Bring your skills and knowledge to live debate. I hope mods approve this post.

Also, like I said before, live debate would be the best. It is very time consuming to read threads and reply and it has taken 5 days as we have been going since Sunday i think. We haven't reached any conclusion and we won't reach it either until there is talk with someone who has read and understand Dasam Granth fully and where which composition comes from. Like I said before, bring proper debate.

Is Raagmaal inside the boundy of 1 Oankar to Mudawni, Teraa Keetaa Jaatoo Naahe? Is not then, you got the answer.

Poet Shyam. Watch the video labelled interview on Dasam Granth. http://www.thesikhaffairs.org/video.html Final post in this thread This is the final post here. Please bring proper debater to a live debate. No point wasting time online with those who have a specific agenda and won't listen until their baba says so.

Someone accused me on jumping and not replying to everything. How can I be in 10 threads at once and answer to people just doing copy paste from all over the internet? I haven't even had time to sit with family over the past few days since I have been replying contantly. Like I said before, to eliminate this issue, live debate is the best. It won't as time consuming and no one can dodge questions. Many of my questions haven't been answered either. Guys just keep posting quotes from GUru Granth Sahib Ji without understanding them. Gurbani takes days to translate. Don't expect me to given answers here. Especially when I have to reply to all sorts of posts. This is like a parade going on here. I answer 1 thread, there are 10 posts in another to answer. Like I siad, it is very easy to copy paste quotes from Guru Granth Sahib Ji but very very hard to translate and understand properly. My final post in this thread, bring proper live debate. Also Kaljug, we saw who ran away in 80s to Canada to seek refugee status. Was it anti-DG people or pro-DG which are in control of most Guruduaras. Your logic about cutting hair failed right there. Also, the Dasam Granth reading nihungs took 3 crore from indira to rebuild akaal takht. Not only that, you dasam granth has no joined hands with the RSS as witnessed by reports and pictures all ove media. http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:SmZp2e...=clnk&gl=ca This is final post here, bring proper debate as I can't keep wasting time debting with those who don't have any stand and just post quotes from Guru Granth Sahib Ji without understanding them and do nothing but make assumptions.

Someone accused me on jumping and not replying to everything. How can I be in 10 threads at once and answer to people just doing copy paste from all over the internet? I haven't even had time to sit with family over the past few days since I have been replying contantly. Like I said before, to eliminate this issue, live debate is the best. It won't as time consuming and no one can dodge questions. Many of my questions haven't been answered either. Guys just keep posting quotes from GUru Granth Sahib Ji without understanding them. Gurbani takes days to translate. Don't expect me to given answers here. Especially when I have to reply to all sorts of posts. This is like a parade going on here. I answer 1 thread, there are 10 posts in another to answer. Like I siad, it is very easy to copy paste quotes from Guru Granth Sahib Ji but very very hard to translate and understand properly. My final post in this thread, bring proper live debate.

Anything outside Guru Granth Sahib Ji, which is clearly proven to be according to Guru Granth Sahib Ji, we can keep it as literature but not as writings of Guru Ji. This should answer all your questions. Someone accused me on jumping and not replying to everything. How can I be in 10 threads at once and answer to people just doing copy paste from all over the internet? I haven't even had time to sit with family over the past few days since I have been replying contantly. Like I said before, to eliminate this issue, live debate is the best. It won't as time consuming and no one can dodge questions. Many of my questions haven't been answered either. Guys just keep posting quotes from GUru Granth Sahib Ji without understanding them. Gurbani takes days to translate. Don't expect me to given answers here. Especially when I have to reply to all sorts of posts. This is like a parade going on here. I answer 1 thread, there are 10 posts in another to answer. Like I siad, it is very easy to copy paste quotes from Guru Granth Sahib Ji but very very hard to translate and understand properly. My final post in this thread, bring proper live debate.

God’s hand means help and it isn’t hard to understand. Saying God’s hand or arm helped me means God helped me extensively. It doesn’t mean there are physical characteristics of God. Like I said before, stop linking two completely different things together. I don’t know why it is so hard to understand. Saying God extended arm to help me is an expression widely used when 4 arms comes from Hinduism and is a literal term. A person who can’t distinguish between literal and metaphorical isn’t a scholar or vidvaan. You can keep doing aarths to Hindu mat and keep falling in trap. Choice is yours. No wonder you believe in Dasam Granth. Very easy to dodge question by saying silly and dramatic when you are the one being silly by saying there is no difference between saying God has 4 hand and saying God’s hand protected me. One is clearly literal and the other is clearly an expression. Like I said, bring your game to proper debate on live TV or live radio. We will let callers decide who is silly and dramatic and who isn’t. Jehdi jamiir mar jaandee, ohdi aatmaa mar he jaandee. A soul which is stuck in duality is dead and needs to be awakened. Cold is the cause for the physical ailment while burning is the sensation experienced by the person. Maybe you should read Gurbani and you will know the difference between Gurbani which is pooran sach and Dasam Granth (an anti-Gurmat book).

I mentioned them to show you that nothing outside of Guru Granth Sahib Ji is 100% reliable. Dasam Granth makes no mention of Bajjar Kurehits or Rehat Maryada or Anand Karaj or Nishan Sahib or Akaal Takht or Fateh or Khalsa Bana or 5 Pyaras. I can understand why it makes no mention of contents past 1698 because dates are written to impose creation before 1698 but Akaal Takht, Darbar Sahib, Aaad Granth, etc. were already established before 1698. Like I said before, instead of gup shup online, it is only best to have proper debate which is live debate. Bhagautee is used in Guru Granth Sahib Ji for bhagat as jeev istree. Waheguru Ji is jeev istree? Also, if Bhagautee couldn’t mean God for almost 700 years from the time of Bhagats to Guru Gobind Singh Ji, how did it suddenly become God after 1708? There must be a reason why it isn’t used for God in Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Bhagautee is the feminine power of Mahakaal which is secondary to even Mahakaal. Have proper debate in public and we will prove who Bhagautee is based on Dasam Granth. What is there mention of 9 names of Nanak as separate entities doing in Bhagautee’s vaar? Since you said it is vaar and asked its purpose. I am sure you will say biir russ. I am not sure how Sikhs were able to gain birr russ by reading Durgaa’s vaar to fight Durgaa following Pahari Rajas. Also, couldn’t vaar have been written about Guru Nanak Ji or Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji or Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji or Bhai Bidhi Chand or someone else related to Sikh Dharam. I have asked you this question on other forms too but you have failed to give me a valid answer. There are three compositions related to Durgaa in Dasam Granth. You can try to force Bhagautee to mean whatever you want but like I said, bring proper proof from Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Bhagautee is female and Bhavanee is also female. Bring proper debate and we will talk there. So you are saying translation starts at pauri 3 and first two are writer’s own view? If yes, please use that in debate. Like I said, bring proper debate. So you agree that Bhagautee is used for goddess in Dasam Granth? Why couldn’t the start been something like Pritham Bhagwant. Why didn’t it have to be Bhagautee? So Sikh remain confused and keep going at it against each other? Guru Ji never did kacha kam. It was always pakka when it comes to Gurbani. You saying Hindus don’t consider devi above devtas shows you lack of gyan of Dasam Granth and Hinduism. Please read Hindu granths first and also read Dasam Granth carefully. Muraree means something, Hari means something, Raam means something, Paarbrahm means something. What does Bhagautee mean? You might be able to use this logic on those who don’t understand these words but I sure do.

I just read you link and picked up several anti-Gurmat point in the granth by just looking at the comments you posted about it there. Other than that, I will try to get it from Sacha Sauda and read it. Dates don’t mean much when the contents are in question. You can write something now and put date as 1973. Leave it for another 50 years and everyone will say 1973. Like I said before, get a scholar to accept debate on Dasam Granth and we will find out what is Gurmat and what isn’t. Us = Those who are devoted to Guru Granth Sahib Ji only. I saw those scans before and they weren’t original paper from 1704. All those missionaries that lived with him are lying? Maybe you don’t know but missionaries accept Chaupai from Ustat. Not the one from Charitropakhyan. I gave you evidence from Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha’s Gurmat Maartund. One side he says Mahakaal’s Sikh must drink alcohol and cannabis and on the other hand he says Mahakaal is God. Which one of his statements is the official one on that aspect? Truth is, he had to majbooree bus translate Mahakaal as God because otherwise he would have been booted from Panth by Aroor Singh and his buddies. Same crew that gave Siropa to General Dyer. He would have suffered what Prof. Gurmukh Singh suffered. Kahan Singh did what was right at the time. You should also present hard evidence to prove that the Bhai Jeevan Singh book was written before 1704 and prove that all of it is according to Gurmat. Like I said before only Guru Granth Sahib Ji is without mixture. Every granth granth belonging to Sikhs has anti-Gurmat content. Even Bhai Nand Lal’s work has mixture as it says don’t trust women. Understandable but weren’t the likes of Sainapat, Nand Lal, Daya Singh, Chaupa Singh, etc. also there? Didn’t they also take Amrit with other Sikhs? Before calling other ridiculous and childish, look at own comments first also. What I am saying is none of those rehatnamas mention the banis read now. Why is that? Those guys took Amrit from someone else? When it comes to eye witness accounts, they are just as credible as other accounts. Could you please list a non-DG promoter considering granth linked to Bhai Jeevan Singh as an eye witness account?

In the apay fuon naree and apaay he purkhaa shabds, shabad is talking about those who are attaching labels to themselves. If you read shabads slowly and with time, you will undertand. I might make video files later and upload them if there is time. It takes time to understand proper aarths but it takes much much longer to put them into words. That is all I will say about those quotes. Like I said before, no point posting aarths which contradict basics of Gurmat or nirankaar, akaal moorat. Other than that, on Pg. 1020, shabad also says apay mash kash. Do you think God is fish and tutle? Like I said before, it is easy to post quotes but hard to translate them and put them into words. THis is why live debate is much useful because it saves time and the person debating will have at least some basic knowledge of core gurmat principles.

Don't use Gurbani quotes you don't understand. It is like you guys are getting knowledge of Gurmat without putting in any effort. # ਆਪੇ ਨਰੁ ਆਪੇ ਫੁਨਿ ਨਾਰੀ ਆਪੇ ਸਾਰਿ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਪਾਸਾ ॥: Aapae nar aape fun naaree aape saar aap hee paasaa: He Himself is male, and He Himself is female; He Himself is the chessman, and He Himself is the board (sggs 1403). This quote is from Bhatt Swayas. Like I said before, there isn't a proper teekaa available of BHatt Swayas so please refrain from using one or two lines from there. Also, I don't have time to go through the whole shabad at the moment. Once we release the proper teekaa of bhatt swayas, we will be able to get proper answers of that quote. Proper teekaa of Sidh Goast at the moment is being worked on. Bhatt Swayas are probably next. Other than that, Bhatt swayas aren't something to be understood in a second. It takes time to understand them. Also, God gave roop to everything. We don't pray to that roop. We pray to what Japuji Sahib says to pray to: Ades Tisai Ades Aaad Aniil Anaad Anaahat Juog Juog Eko Vays There are many shabads in Guru Granth Sahib Ji for which we don't have proper aarths. How could we spend time and have proper arths when we can't get out of third party books?

Where do missionaries come from? I am not a Sikh of Prof. Sahib Singh. Like I said before, Bhatt teekaa isn't perfect. Also, if 9 joats of Nanak didn't use different names, 10th doesn't either. Clear as Sheeshaa.

Saying God has 4 arms sure isn't Gurmat because then God is no longer Nirankaar. Some people don't understand Sargun and Nirgun and keep repeating themselves without reading posts. Once again for final time: Nirgun = Without the three elements or Maaya (Above maayaa) Sargun = Sarab Srayst (greatest of all, most inspiring) How do any of those two defintions above fit into 4 arms? Balbir Singh Ji! Say Sat Sri AKaal Jee Aayan Nu, Jee Aayan Nu Mahakaal = great death = death worse than physical death = spiritual death or aatmac death How can it mean God in any circumstances then? You have a frog, you attack maha in front of it. It will become maha dadoo meaning the biggest daddu. It will not become opposite of daddu and become dadduless. More harsh example, moorakh You add maha in front of a person who is moorakh It will only become maha moorakh meaning even a bigger moorakh. Same way, adding maha in front of kaal only makes it a bigger death which is spiritual death. There is nothing worse than spiritual death in Gurmat. Physical death comes to everyone, it is part of nature and life. Gurmat doesn't consider it death because that death is the death which unites us with the Lord if we bhagat karam, however if we are busy reading or promoting third party books, then that death is really bad because chance to meet God is lost. I sure know what those are. You aren't going to use fire to represent cold by any means unless you are lost. Instead of these cheap shots, why don't you study Gurbani and bring the quote where Mahakaal is used for God. It is hard to debate with illeterate people who have never read or understood Guru Granth Sahib Ji. When did God develop a bad side? There is nothing bad about God. Gurbani says, whatever God does is great. Brahmgyani Tay Kash Buraa Na Bhaeaa ||