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Folks, Here is a website dedicated to baba ji's dharna kirtan. http://www.babalakhbirsinghbalongi.org/

Where have these simran master classes been taking place and are there going to be anymore?

Do you know where is baba ji doing kirtan in coming weeks? If you have any further information please post.

Where can we find the english version?

Here is a question that I've been thinking about for a while. Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji went around his tours of Asia preaching Sikhi. Most likely spending a few days at each location giving updesh and putting people on the right path to realise Ik OngKar, Kartapurkh. Therefore given all the information, parchar, maryadas, rehits, branches of today has Sikhi become more complicated for us than those of who were given updesh by Guru Nanak Dev Ji? It is not my intention to discredit or disapprove of anything that is in existence today but wondering have we lost the real essence of what was supposed to be the real simple goal. Bhul chuk marf if this is a controversial topic and needs to be removed.

Its supposed to be Guru Arjan Dev Ji painted by http://www.artofpunjab.com/

If that ever happens to me now i just don't count it because it tells me clearly that my mun wasn't there. Will definately take longer to reach the target but who cares. The objective doesn't become 125,000 paths. (Although will be well chuffed when with guru ji's grace I get there) It becomes more of a method to help steady the mind with single pointed concentration and to want to do more paths to reach the target. Anything else is a bonus!

Kaljug, there are so many ways to reach the same final goal. The more I hear and read the more confused I get about which is the right method, 1 minute i'm doing 1 method then next minute the other. So now I have just decided to stop researching and starting doing. Only advice I can give is pick 1 method which works for you and just do it with sharda. Leave the rest to Waheguru Ji. May he keep his mehar bharay hath on us all so we reach the stage of darshan of his lotus feet.

takes hours of effort like veer ji said above.

I personally think you need to consciously take that step yourself. One can sit at the stage of vocal recitation (not saying that it's a bad or anything) for as long as one wishes. It is very easy for the tongue to be reciting any jaap and the mind to be wondering elsewhere. To do it with the voice of the mind requires you mun to be involved in the process. Bhul chuk marf if it contrary to instructions of true realised soul as daas is probably walking the long way round.

Here is another tip. If your mind wonders whilst doing a recitation. Don't count it. Eventually that should teach your mind not to wonder and also teach you to listen to what you are saying and actually absorb what you are reciting. I often find that sometimes I feel I may be going so fast that I might be missing words out. Here is something i'm struggling with. I'm trying to get to the stage where I can do the mool mantar with the mind but instinctively my tongue begins to move on certain words, hence moving back towards a silient jaap with the tongue. Any advice apart from perserverance? I also do it whilst walking around throughout the day. Best time i find for me is when I'm on my way to and from work. That gives me a solid 2 hours in which to do it. Walking meditation can be quite an effective way of doing jaap. Think I heard somewhere Guru Teghbahdur Ji also mentions it in his bani. You will also hear and read that most abyasssi's all started doing it during their normal day to day activities. It gets to a stage where when ever you have a few moments you try and slip one in. Although you do loose sight of the counting involved. (let waheguru ji worry about exactly what number you are on) we can only estimate. Obviously the best way is if you can doing it with full concentration whilst sitting down, but someone of us haven't reached that stage yet. Go for it fellow Sikher! Don't talk the talk but walk the walk.

The counting devices are called Tally Counters. (cheaply available on ebay from Hong Kong ) Although be careful you don't get repetitive strain injury when using them. You can get ones that go upto 9,999 which makes it easier then not having worry about counting how many malas have you done. Giani Thakhur Singh also said that you don't have to go for completing in 40 days as that would just be extremely difficult for a beginner. Just start of doing as many as you can and try and reach the 125,000 target. With guru ji's kirpa you will reach there eventually, just not in 40 days.

I think it's in Giani Thakur Singh's Japji Sahib katha that he advises against the jaap of only "Ongkar" as it's too powerful for the body/mind to tolerate. According to him one person actually died because when he got darhsan with that jaap only. He advised always reciting something else after "Ongkar...". i.e. either complete the mool mantar or other tuks. Sant Baba Nahar Singh (Sunheran/Nanksar Wale) used to incourage the jaap "Ik Ongkar Waheguru" If you recite the Ongkar jaap with the inhalling of the breath you can easily see how it draws your breath upwards towards the trikuti (3rd eye) and above.

I was reading Discourse on the Beyond again by Sant Baba Waryam Singh in which Sant Baba Isher Singh Ji (Rare Wale) mentions a jugti for jaaping Mool Mantar which can be obtained from Sants. Does anyone now any techniques for this? I assume it something along the lines of swas swas simran or chakras. There are loads of techniques out there for Waheguru simran but I have never come across something for the mool mantar. Any insight from abhiyaasi Sikh's would be much appreciated.

http://www.ratwarasahib.com/babawaryamsingh.html

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Hukumnama written with signature of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Lathi Sahib Guru Amar Das Ji.

Was surprised to find the following article in The Sun, a daily UK tabloid, this morning. SIKH TERROR CELL Britain has been warned of a new terror threat from Sikh extremists linked with al-Qaeda. Experts in the US and India have told authorities they are watching a handful of British-based Sikhs who they say have trained at terror camps in Pakistan which have connections to Islamic extremists. They tell tonight's File on Four on Radio Four that they fear the radicals may be planning terrorist acts in their fight for an independent Sikh homeland. FYI: BBC Radio 4 is a UK national radio station. BBC Radio 4 Sikh extremism: Tuesday 26 February 2008, 2000 GMT, repeated Sunday 2 March 2008, 1700 GMT. With attention focussed on Islamist extremism, Armadeep Bassey asks whether the authorities are doing enough to counter the activities of UK-based Sikh groups supporting the violent campaign for an independent homeland in the Punjab. Producer: David Lewis. Editor: David Ross

Absolutely brilliant katha, the best I have heard to date.. Thank you. More more more.....

I just got back from a trip to Singapore and at Katong Gurdwara I came across many Sikhs both men a women who wore blue kamar-kassas around their waste and kind of blue keski-patka. NOT AKJ! The locals just refer to them as blue-belts and are known to be quite strict in the beliefs. They follow a sant who is referred to as Pipli Wale Baba Ji. Anyone know who they are? I am told this baba ji also comes to UK quite frequently.

You can find a few photos on: www.karamsar.co.uk www.karamsar.org www.karamsaruk.com <- down at the moment

Guru de Guru jainnae but I assume it so that no one individual considers himself special or surpreme in that only he may administer amrit.

Here are some photos I took whilst visiting the Gurdwaras in Pakistan. Pakistan Gurdwara Photos

I needed Divx to view the video footage.