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where have i said that ?

N30 SINGH, i am not an anti sant person i am just questioning, you are probably older than me and know answer to many things, so what is the harm in asking you and others to just clarify me on a few things. weLl, all i can say is thankyou to those who care about others veiws and to SOME people just like to cause a controvery well all i can say is that may guru jee help you. THANKYOU HAR NAAL PYAR. FOR YOUR TOUCHING STORY, HOWEVER THIS STILL NOT CHANGE MY VEIW,NO ONEHAS YET PROVIDED ME WITH STRONG LINES FROM THE GURBANI. SAYING THAT WE SHOULD BELIEVE IN SANTS, there is one sant however that i believe helps you to conect with god is, this is the GURU GRATH SAHIB JEE. am i right or wrong please comment. GURFATEH

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FATEH! mloco, how do you know that he was or wasn't a normal child? what kind of proof do you have? as far as we are concernmed about isher singh ji, how do you know that a HOLY MAN asaid to huim that he was going to be a saint. what about the videos on that website N3O http://www.sikhvideos.org/by-titles.htm Whenever have you seen light coming out of the Guru GraNth Sahib Jee til this very day? i haven't "Baba Nand Singh Ji was full tyaagi mahapursh..never seen that much tyaag in any mahapursh" ??? what do you mean when you say this N3O SINGH GURFATEH THANKYOU AGAINEmbarassed

[schild=4 fontcolor=000000 shadowcolor=FFA500 shieldshadow=1]You are funny?[/schild] bhinderwale did stop people, but ranjit ji and bhinderwale where to different people. Bhinderwale did make his own bani up, like ranjit ji. Kachi bani :!: Bhinderwale was trying to show the sikh dharwam on what they already have. And that image of someone bowing down to ranjit ji (chinderapal singh showed) it also shows ranjit singh ji in his fancy clothes, and sitting on some sort of throne. well, if you look at other baba jis and sants they all where casual clothes and so on. so please forgive me if i have said anything irelevant here and may guru jee forgive me GURFATEH! PS THANKYOU VERY MUCH CHINDERPAL SINGH FOR ALERTING US! [schild=14 fontcolor=000000 shadowcolor=000000 shieldshadow=1]thankyou[/schild]

black goddess, no one asked you, and Thanyou for your help anyway Thankyou

Thankyou, but have you seen the video clips on here http://www.sikhvideos.org/by-titles.htm astonished.... :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: Whenever have you seen light coming out of the Guru Grath Sahib Jee til this very day? AND The Holy Child reverentially disclosed to his elder brother that as Sri Guru Granth Sahib was placed in the house confronting him, he could not turn his back towards that side. Sardar Bhagat Singh was astonished and wonderstruck at the Holy Child's answer. He had seen him seated cross legged like a born Tapasavi and Sanyasi on the raised edge of a deep well only a year back and now he confronts another miracle of unparalleled faith and devotion of the peerless Holy Child towards the Highest of the High and the Greatest of the Great Jagat Guru, Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Later he fully realised what this innocent child was uttering then, he meant in letter and spirit and He would not turn his back towards Sri Guru Granth Sahib for the whole of his life. Respected Sadh Sangat Ji, can you just cite one example in the whole of the known spiritual history till to-date, where a born Divinity has set such wondrous and miraculous examples of perfection and excellence in adoring the Guru to the extent displayed by Baba Nand Singh Ji how can such a thing happen to someone? I also thought in the sikh faith we should not idolise photos! am i righjt or wrong. and Neo SINGH YOU QUOTED ABOE: "Baba Nand Singh Ji was full tyaagi mahapursh..never seen that much tyaag in any mahapursh" Not even in any of our Guru's? and not even in our everlasting Guru, Guru Granth Sahib Jee? I am confused so in you could help me it would be good!

baba nand singh ji who is he ?

the majority of the people in sgpc are corrupt they are making no effort to help people like hawara

ok let me scan them they're on a old calander

I am a bit confused on how to explain myself properly to u. i didn't explain myself fully on the other thread but don't personally attack me

DON'T PRESUME TO KNOW WHAT I THINK. WHAT I MEANT WAS THAT OUR GURU JIS WERE THE TRUE SANT SIPAHIS AND ALL SIKHS SHOULD TRY TO BE A SANT SIPAHI. JARNAIL SINGH WAS THIS BUT A HUMAN BEING CAN ONLY BE A SANT SIPAHI TO A CERTAIN EXTENT

he was not a fake sant siphai DON'T PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH

i am not stirring things up or trying to cause arguments i just think that a normal human being can be a sant sipahi but only to a certain extent

he was a sant sipahi. but remember he was a normal human being. as great as he was he was not in the same league as our gurus who were true sant sipahis. “Khalistan Zindabad! “ “Raj Karaega Khalsa!†“Bhindranwala Sant Sipahi Jinay Sutee Kaum Jaigaiee!†(Bhindranwala the Saint Soldier who woke up a sleeping nation). “Bhindranwalay Dee Soach Tay Pehra Diangay Thok Kay!†(We will stand firmly with the ideology of Sant Bhindranwale!). “Jo Singhan Naal Takraigaa, Choor Choor Ho Jaigaa!†(Those who oppose the Singhs will be crushed!). “Na Hindi Na Hindustan, Lai kay RehNaa Khalistan!†(Not Hindi nor Hindustan, we will only rest after taking Khalistan!).

It should be Baba Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale just like Baba Thakur Singh Sant is not a title, its an avastha (state) of ones mind. Its sad that today some people like to put the word Sant in front of their name (not to imply that baba jarnail singh did) and as soon as they do people start doing their "puja". again, Sant is not a title one can put in front of their name. yes i do believe in him. i am all for khalistan “Khalistan Zindabad! “ “Raj Karaega Khalsa!†“Bhindranwala Sant Sipahi Jinay Sutee Kaum Jaigaiee!†(Bhindranwala the Saint Soldier who woke up a sleeping nation). “Bhindranwalay Dee Soach Tay Pehra Diangay Thok Kay!†(We will stand firmly with the ideology of Sant Bhindranwale!). “Jo Singhan Naal Takraigaa, Choor Choor Ho Jaigaa!†(Those who oppose the Singhs will be crushed!). “Na Hindi Na Hindustan, Lai kay RehNaa Khalistan!†(Not Hindi nor Hindustan, we will only rest after taking Khalistan!). gurfateh !!

bhindranwala was willing to give every drop of his blood for sikhi. to live.... live with honour to die..... die for faith quote from baba jarnail singh bhindranwala he lived with honour and died for his faith he is true sant sipahi which is more than any of us can say for ourselves

It should be Baba Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale just like Baba Thakur Singh Sant is not a title, its an avastha (state) of ones mind. Its sad that today some people like to put the word Sant in front of their name (not to imply that baba jarnail singh did) and as soon as they do people start doing their "puja". again, Sant is not a title one can put in front of their name.

yes i do believe in him but i believe that what he did for the sikh dharam was right, he did his duty as a being a good sikh, what every one should do. But believing and recognising are two very seperate things from where i see it from. And thankyou very much but i am not violating or bashing this forum . i am just putting my veiw across just like everyone else is. Now if people haver a problem with this them i will make sure that i will never put my veiw up on this forum again. It is quite straight, like i said before everyone has their own veiws, weather SOME people like them or not that is their problem. GURFATEH :shock:

niranjana ji, fateh, i absoulutely agree with you on this point as well. and all I can say that these people who beleive in babas sants and so on are very corrupt! in some way. they have no sense, but as i have said before there is no point crying over spilt milk, we as a community should explain to our brothers and sisters that we should work as ooone to bring changes i mean our GURU JIS managed it! well, all i can say that the only true sant and baba and so on in the whole intire world is SIRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI. and to people who don't agree with this need 5to get a life THE END.....!!!! GURFATEH!

Fateh! LOOK there is no point having a controversy over such a problem! You should belief what ever as long as you know it is true and no one can can violate it and even if they do you have a STRONG! reply I perosnally belief that that real maryada if the Siri Guru GRANTH SAHIB JEE. this is hwere you can get the TRUE answers to life. These maryada have been put into place so that sikhs as one don't do nothing wrong. WE SHOULD GET ALONG AND NOT VIOLATE EACH OTHERS VIEW, WE SHOULD FIRSTLY STOP OTHER RELIGIONS FROM CORRUPTING OUR RLIGION I.E RSS! PLEASE BHAIN JIS STOP FIGHTING. GURFATEH!

this is bull sh** some people cant get their facts right, and need a brain surgeon. know a number...... wait...... 999 hand you to the police bloody rasist git. you have no right to put other religions down, have you seen yourself in the mirror lately.. well i thnk you haven't.. two things to say May OUR GURU JI PUNISH YOU IN THE WORST WAY !! WAHEGURU JIO

only listen to baani. everything else is maya. the only truth in this world of maya is gurbani

mloco, he could make them stop if he really wanted to. jarnail singh bhinderwale stopped people bowing down to him while at the same time getting people to take amrit. he too was a normal human being

doesn't the idea of miri and piri solve this question politics and religion are entwined with on another