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The so tankaya verse structures are from the Bhai Chaupa singh rahitnama

Here is a beautiful tuk Page 1383, Line 18 ਫਰੀਦਾ ਦੁਨੀ ਵਜਾਈ ਵਜਦੀ ਤੂੰ ਭੀ ਵਜਹਿ ਨਾਲਿ ॥ Fareed, the world dances as it dances, and you dance with it as well. Guru Arjan Dev

The lack of a history doesn’t mean it’s unauthentic. But it makes it more difficult to ascertain it’s authenticity. Regardless, the poetry in it is very unique and beautiful. I really enjoyed studying it some years ago.

There is no history behind this Granth. No scholar of the past as far as im aware has ever mentioned it.

Interesting exercise.

I think we will get to know more about the root story through each charitar later on. Right now the charitars add perspective to the root story but i think it will be reversed later on and the charitars will add new info to the root story. but let’s see what happens.

Yep. It’s massive. Big pages and quite heavy. About 1050 pages.

Or maybe the young queen wanted to seduce the young prince to have his baby. The old king probably couldn’t have kids due to old age, the old peer being synonymous to the old king here. The wise minister is talking About the continuation of kingship and heirs here. The queen wants her baby to become the next heir to the throne, - maybe she was planning to kill hanwant singh after having his baby and claiming it to be the kings

A Hindu friend of mine did. He said some of the above lines are not even proper Sanskrit.

In his massive kalgidhar chamatkaar he has written some 50 pages on the gurus kavi darbaar with short bios on many of the poets

Bhai veer singh was a great scholar. He did good service to the panth

Yes sikhi doesn’t have a concept of democracy. There is a Meritocratic system for the most part

Why interesting. Show some examples

Updated with four more charitars.

Purely narrative wise this charitar is intriguing. You have a story, within a story, within a story, within a story. Four layers at once.

Could it be relating to the frame story saying here is the queen playing you both at once but one of you is “blinded”. An earlier charitar also talked about being blinded so there is some continuity here.

Adhyatam Prakash - the dawn of divine wisdom. Written in the 1690s in the poet assembly of Guru Gobind Singh, Kavi Sukhdev writes in the beginning of the book, that the writing is based on the sutras of Rishi Vyaas and Adi Shankara(two ancient dons of vedant!!!) , as well as on the teachings of the Vedas and Simritis(Upanishads, Gita etc). The book then goes on to discuss concepts of the soul, life, the senses, body, Braham, the heart, sleep etc

Pandit Tara Singh Narotam in his Gurmat Nirnay Sangreh provides some criteria and rules for how one can write teekas (chapter called Teeka Maryada). He further states that it is essential to study teekas in order to understand Gurbani, and that proper ucharan of Gurbani is dependant on understanding the arths of Gurbani. In this way, Santhia and Teekas go hand in hand. Pandit Tara Singh Narotam was the vidiya guru of Giani Gian Singh. Both were born in the 1820s

Sikhi has become more homogenious in the past 100 years resulting in many heterodox Groups having left the panth over the generations. Our old discussion on why Sikhi failed to spread covers some of these Groups and dilemmas

Some Sikhs pre-Khalsa probably did keep long hair due to to it being an ancient Indian tradition but it was not part of the rahit.

The sakhi is from suraj Prakash

Yesterday I did some reading on the panchtantra and hitupdesha, both of which were translated in the guru darbaar. Both deal with rajniti through a series of animal fables. The hitupdesha was the first major book translated in the guru darbaar and pyara singh Padam found one manuscript from the 9th gurus darbAar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitopadesha

Nice

Very interesting. Cross textual reference

Two things that came to mind: 1) our methods of analysis are far more advanced the further we get into each charitars. In the first few charitars our methods are not that great. It’s as if the CP teaches and trains methods of analysis and interpretation 2) the notion that you have a story within a story is quite difficult for the mind to a absorb and keep control of. When is the sub story giving a general message to the audience ? When is the message merely related to the king in the frame story ? Also you have to constantly keep the info of the frame story in mind and interpret and mirror all sub stories on the basis of the frame story. Balancing and juggling with these two stories at all times and remembering the details along the way is quite challenging and requires/forges a sharp intelligence.