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thank you please Kam. I have found dukh vichre nanaka sahib by manmohan waris on that site. chatanga

on the mitha tiwana site there are manu adverts pooping up for gambling and stuff. is this part of the website ?

have watched that video. there are actually lessons on tabla playing on youtube: hope i can play a tabla one day.

duz anyone no where i can get a small tabla skin from in the uk or more specifically in the w midlands area. appreciate. chatanga

if what you say is true javanmard, then those people are egoists. i copy and paste a lot of stuff to use myself, but i would never clam the good works myself just to make people think chatanga actually kows something.

kam do you have the cds of Dhadi Amar Singh Shounki of Heer Ranjha to share?

yes it does make sikh"ism" look intolerant. personally i beleive that both the sikh institutions and ram rahim are responsible for this situation.

Forward you are thinking a bit drawof. :| You need to see somebody. :?

this obsession with money methinks started in the early 90s, and now its become a festering sore on Panjabs butt.

But then something predictable happens in yr second post, a recourse to the 'they (Indian gov) started it, they're worse than us' type statement WHICH ALWAYS without fail is used as a way of somehow deflecting this need for public criticism of elements within the Khalistani camp. It simply justifies the views of certain extremists...and it is always motivated by this fear that if you make any public concession that bad stuff has happened, that this will lead to a loss of public support.... as tsingh says. my point is that they planted the seed of discontent. Sant Jarnail Singh said this in one of his speeches that " the congress party have planted such a seed that if in time to come if there is any green(flower ie peace) you can tell me" ... that is what im talking about. the sikh militants actions were REactions. they simply reacted in a way which at the time they thought was best, which after 20 odd years we have realised was not the best way to react. However this is human nature and even myself as in individual i have done and said things which after some years/months/minutes i think to my self i cnat beleive i actually thought like that once.

neo , do you think that jus cos someone has written that these people did these acts they MUST have done them? who has written these things about these people? their enemies. so dont beleive allyou read about these people. only those with something to hide would write drivel like this and as an administrator or whatever you are, i would have thougt that you wouldnt jump to conclusions so quick. what gets me is that these mofo's talk about sikhs terrorsit doing this and that. what compelled them to do such things? the dusht hakoomat of indrasur and successive ravan govts. of india. do you think that Gajinder Singh suddenly woke up one day and the idea of hijacking a plane came into his mind? you want fanatics to be jailed and put out of their misery , and so do i . but the real fanatics that deserved to be locked up are the ravan sena and their jholi-chaks who created the conditions that resulted in 25 years of bloodshed.

tsingh whats wiv the sant brahmgiani mahapursh in front of thier names? is this your own work or did you recieve the article this way? as for your or the articles criticism of non condemnation of acts comiitted in the name of Khalistan , I as a supporter of Khalistan condemn the murder and loss of evry innocent person in the last 20 yeras, from the thousands of sikh men who were killed by the ravan sena to the innocent hindus and policemen killed bythe Khalistanis. Does this suffice for you? chatanga

did Guru Ji himself take sikhi towards or away from vedanta?

did Guru Ji instruct the nirmala to lean towards vedanta?

happens too often. panjabis these days are greedy mofo's

Baba Deep Singh had to do 18 ears of sewa b4 receiving khande ki pahul. i never heard hat b4. I heard of sakhi a a man called Alam who came to Guru Darbar and asked what is the purpose of amrit. Take and see replied guru. Alam took it that day. you know the rest but i dont think that Guru would have 18 years as such a prerequisite for any1 taking khande ki pahul.

Yes looking back to november 1984 it was the muslims killing loads of sikhs wasnt it? what ? it was the brave kashtriya hindus that were ganging up 20 to a man to stab him? the brave kashtriya that defended hindustan by killing children?

This is some deep thinking going on. Personally i dont think that most people can atain this knowledge so easily. I asked my vidya guru once " why is the khazana ( gurbani) so big that it would take many people a life time to understand the mystery? " he said" that most people dont have the karma to uynderstand it all, but what attracted people to sikhi initially was its simplicity. As long as people have the gurmantar they are already on the path. So repeat the gurmantar as much as you can. If people decided to try to unravel the mystery before they comiited themselves to this path, most of them would die before they even got to the first knot." Now my understanding of gurbani is very weak. But if i took that as a whole that i will never know the whole mystery then i have already lost the battle. Reading the above posts makes me realise that i am quite thick compared to a lot of you others. chatanga

Are you talking about richard burton the actor?

i heard in the diwan of a sant of lamhe jatpura that there were 4 types of paath that started with the gurus: sehaj akhand saptah sampat this is in a taksal steek of Sant Gurbachan Singh.

The udasi's giving khande ki pahul ? do they say this themselves? the granthi of one of my local gurdwaras is related to an udasi and he said that he has never heard of any udasis claiming to give khande ki pahul. i would advise all member on this forum to visit gurmatveechar and under Giani Thakur Singh look up " Sikh, Singh te Pakhandi" i have listened to this recently and it touches on a lot of issues concerning sehajdharis. also listen to Giani Thakur Singh and listen to " ardas khalse di" and there's a lot of stuff on the topic of sehajdhari.

The udasi's giving khande ki pahul ? do they say this themselves? the granthi of one of my local gurdwaras is related to an udasi and he said that he has never heard of any udasis claiming to give khande ki pahul. i would advise all member on this forum to visit gurmatveechar and under Bhai Pinderpal Singh look up " Sikh, Singh te Pakhandi" i have listened to this recently and it touches on a lot of issues concerning sehajdharis. also listen to Giani Thakur Singh and listen to " ardas khalse di" and there's a lot of stuff on the topic of sehajdhari.

there nothignworng wiv the tradition of the bride paying. the problem is when greedy people begin to take advantage of this.

is khande ki pahul kind of like a bonus ? like if you observe all the other hukams of guru you can either "choose" to accept this bonus hukam or leave it. it dont make sense. khande ki pahul is essential but that is not the message the website seems to be portraying. im getting the idea that as long as you believe in guru in the spiritual sense, it matters little whether you observe the physical sense. as is written in suraj prakash" bani bana do pankh udave" - bani and bana are the two wings for the birds. ie they are complimenting each other in perfect balance. one without the other has no purpose. that is the essence of sikhi - miri and piri in perfect balance. not for someone who is too weak to keep kes so he just makes up rubbish.

the relics are superb and deffo worth looking at.