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Try registering for free. At the moment you can access all the pages of stuff posted on there if you do this. Yes. it looks like premium membership will cost (and I don't know what extra privilages you get) but I do not understand the running costs of such an operation nor the business model. As I said before it is in beta stage at the moment. If they are running it as non-profit i.e. to cover the costs of operations, staff, future scaling up of digitisation projects etc then great. If not then it is a cause for concern but be glad it's available albiet not in the 'free' form we want. The reality is that these things do not occur without money but I agree with the gurmat concept of not making money out of Gurbani - of which a lot of the content is. For me the business model is the thing that needs to be understood. About the shop - I don't agree with selling such things and the distortion is indeed wrong. I suggest writing to them to point their errors.

One thing that India does not lack is the IT expertise to make this an excellent resource. I know as I've worked with a highly literate generation here in the UK. However, this venture is not government funded so I feel that money is the main obstacle in delivering such a solution at least on the web. All the more reason we should find out more/help practically or donate to make it happen. Despite this I am impressed that someone has taken the initiative to do this.

Surprisingly India.

True, it's a beta version so I am hoping they improve the search functionality. If you have suggestions/knowledge on how to improve it please contact them Veer ji. 'The Beta version of PDL has been launched for an initial period of six months. After this time expires we will review its strengths, weaknesses, drawbacks, positive & negative effects and yes, threats. After this review, a decision as to the most productive future course for PDL will be made. If necessary, some changes will be made in its code and the way users are allowed to access, save and print digital files.'

Please check it out and support if you can. http://www.panjabdigilib.org/webuser/searches/mainpage.jsp Revealing the Invisible Heritage of Panjab For the first time ever a searchable collection of millions of rare pages on the Sikhs and the region of Panjab has been made available. Panjab Digital Library (PDL) will include texts of manuscripts, books, magazines, newspapers and photographs and will be available to anyone with Internet access at www.PanjabDigiLib.org. This launch was made possible in part by The Nanakshahi Trust and the Sikh Research Institute (SikhRI). PDL has been in development since 2003, charged with a mission to select, collect, preserve, digitize and make accessible the accumulated wisdom of Panjab. Texts were included without distinction as to script, language, religion, nationality, or other human condition. “Since long, preservation of heritage, research and education have been a victim of apathy in Panjab; more so, in the last century. With the launch of the online digital library, we have tried to fill some of that gap. PDL is a humble offering to the community what it lost 25 years ago,” said Harinder Singh, co-founder and executive director of SikhRI who also serves on PDL board. “Scholars will be able to access a wide variety of information concealed in the manuscripts and other literature of the region with the cli ck of a mouse sitting in the comfort of their homes. This is essential to the growth of Sikh and Panjab studies and its meaningful representation in the fast-changing modern world.” Digitization technology brings with it untold benefits for heritage preservation and access. Once a document has been properly digitized it becomes immortal and can remain accessible long after the original has ceased to exist. The option of digital access further aids in preservation of originals through reduced need for physical handling. The central digital archive which the PDL has developed over the last six years allows for wide electronic access to the public and will help the researcher to search, browse and sift through vast amounts of data in seconds. According to Davinder Pal Singh, PDL’s co-founder and executive director, “PDL will break many barriers which currently restrict a conventional library. Information is decentralized, through its shared storage and access model, thus enabling utilization of a single resource concurrently by multiple users all over the world. On a local note, assuming that every household will possibly have a computer within the next ten years, PDL holds great promises for the people of Panjab especially.” “To date, PDL has been instrumental in digitally preserving over 2.5 million folios from 3,400 manuscripts, 2,200 books, 1,990 issues of periodicals, 5,578 issues of newspapers, 3,152 photographs, 248,000 legal documents and some 168 hours of video recordings,” commented Gurvinder Singh, PDL’s US Coordinator. The current collection of data amounts to about 15,000 GB of available information. Among others, major institutional collections digitized to date include SGPC, DSGMC, Government Museum and Art Gallery Chandigarh, Chief Khalsa Diwan, Panjab Languages Department, and Kurukshetra University . Critical works of significant importance from the personal collections of Prof. Pritam Singh, Dr. Man Singh Nirankari, Dr. Kirpal Singh, Dr. Madanjit Kaur and Prof. Gurtej Singh are also available at PDL. "PDL is the only non-profit, non-governmental organization to have initiated a digitization project for the preservation and upkeep of Panjab archives, and perhaps the only one in India ” said Gurnihal Singh Pirzada Director, PDL’s board member. “PDL has undertaken rigorous research and laid solid ground work in order to be in the best possible position for this launch. Projects around the globe were closely studied as models for establishing a successful digitization project. Internationally recognized benchmarks were referred to and complied with,” he further said. PDL is an ongoing project in its early stages and the collection will grow substantially in coming years. New titles are being digitized everyday and the Web site will be updated with new features and titles on monthly basis. PDL staff will be adding at least 50,000 pages per week to the Web site’s collection. Contact Person: Gurvinder Singh gurvinder.singh@panjabdigilib.org | 210.704.7096

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxENMKaeCU

Maha Singh Ji, Where you stated 'sedementary lifestyle'?! I think you meant sedentary lifestyle! I can't imagine you meant gristi singhs lead a lifestyle that resembled sedimentary rock.

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Agreed

Kaljug, I don't know if you can contact them but it might be worth asking what they need. Beyond the obvious things, there maybe something that will mean a great deal to them ... I don't know maybe something like a fridge, or something. Just some thoughts.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4759134168640935807 This music video was an uppercut for me and my excessive ways. So little of our 'wealth' can do so much...

http://www.sikhawareness.com//index.php?sh...c=11303&hl=

Very interesting - thank you

"Live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Trouble no one about his religion. Respect others in their views and demand that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and of service to your people. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide. Always give a word or sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, or even a stranger, if in a lonely place. Show respect to all people, but grovel to none. When you rise in the morning, give thanks for the light, for your life, for your strength. Give thanks for your food and for the joy of living. If you see no reason to give thanks, the fault lies in yourself. Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision. When your time comes to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song, and die like a hero going home." Tecumseh (1768-1813) Shawnee Chief

Veer Ji, It's not mine - I wish it was! It's by a guy called Paul Grosse and clearly a labour of love as I found on his site: 'I had fun learning how to read and write Gurmukhi and then designing and developing this web site so that other people can do the same. I hope that you enjoy it as well.' Contact details are here: http://www.billie.grosse.is-a-geek.com/contact.html

It's fine Singh Ji. Let this preview reassure you:

A nice site: http://www.billie.grosse.is-a-geek.com/

I have one

Enjoy:

Do you have shares in mango production?

Tejwant Singh, I love your suitably slippery reply. I am going to judge your posts based on what you write. Judging is involved to participate. You can’t escape it. It’s just a matter of what level you take it to. The type of judgement I am using on this forum is not all knowing or pervasive in the slightest, but then I don’t claim I am God just because my name is Ishvar Singh as you suggest. I really respect your ability to use my name against me, that’s pretty intelligent. You have a stunning character it’s really shining for all to see, it’s so blinding and so inspirational. A true manifestation of all that is good in Sikhi. ‘Only Ik Ong kaar knows which milestone each of us is at. You, myself or anyone else will never find that out. It is the journey of the individual, hence each of us carry our own spiritual torch.’ I actually like this, but again this statement contradicts the fact that you have zero tolerance for Dasam Granth believing Sikhs and old people and fellow forum members and their families. You go so far as to personally attack them and their women. It’s very honourable of you. The real beauty of your above logic is that it can be used to justify any type of behaviour. I now understand why you feel you can say anything you like - you can hide behind this reasoning for absolutely any situation. It’s the magic bullet for you. Someone can judge you based on your posts and you’ll effectively say ‘Only God can judge me’ despite the fact you judge continuously on this forum. One word: hypocrite. You binary logic is rubbish and is not bi-directional hence while it’s logically complete but ethically flawed. It’s simply ‘I can do it you can’t judge me, you do it and I can judge you.’ Someone wants to challenge your trash talking of Dasam Granth (which is the point of this thead – why are you posting on here otherwise?) and you’ll post ‘If you have something to share about SGGS, our only Guru, then please do so that we can all learn from that, rather than judging others.’ when no one here challenges Guru Granth Sahib and you are the one who cannot defend your own honour by replying to genuine questions posted to you about your posts. You judge far more than you think – look in the mirror. It’s shiny for a reason. ‘Sikhi is not about testing others but testing oneself.’ If you really think that then what are you doing on this forum? You are testing other patience with your evasive and disgusting tactics for sure. ‘You talk about my ego when you in you post did nothing but played Ik Ong Kaar.’ Played Ik Ong Kaar? How? I’d love you to explain how I’ve expressed gunns of the Almighty - the master of all gunns. ‘Please read all the threads here and on SPN to gain some knowledge before you jump to conclusions.’ No conclusions were jumped upon. I’ve read all the posts here especially your posts. I merely pointed out that the sum of your knowledge is not truth but yet you still continue to treat it as such. Trust me you’ll regret this. I am going to repeat my questions since you answered zilch zero nada: Are you an ageist by any chance? Suspending your belief for a second, what would you do if you found out you were wrong? Lastly, please can you list or describe how you formally studied of Dasam Granth, the languages you have mastery of, the exegesis tools you used, your teachers if any? Plus new questions: Are you a fascist and a hinduphobe as well, although this seems like a rhetorical question given your PM to Shaheediyan! You character is shining more than ever! We all want straight answers, honest answers and no deviations. If you continue to ignore/evade/side step these questions and the key stuff singh2 posted just now then it categorically proves you are a cretin and you should be banned from all forums including SPN as you have no forum etiquette which is a bare minimum. Personally, I don’t even care about you answering my questions. Answer Singh2 Ji’s as he has posted the Charitra. If you have any concept of preserving your honour you’d come out either offer a counter argument, or admit defeat and apologise. You seem like a coward and that is unbecoming of someone called Tejwant Singh. Come out and prove me wrong, if you can.

Both what's the use of your personal attacks? Mods! It's Tu mien.com please cut it out both of you! Tejwant Singh Ji, Are you an ageist by any chance? Don't tell me you are just stating the truth. Truth is not just what one knows or has studied acquired in life. Even if it's a fact that someone is 82, you are explicitly stating the age in a negative context which is not in line with teaching anything of any value, rather you are using this to attack someone. It's like going to an old person and saying 'You old git!'. Note the word 'like' - this is called a simile just in case you try to twist my words. You claim to hold the higher moral ground yet your words belie this claim. Suspending your belief for a second, what would you do if you found out you were wrong? Seriously, if this happened you would've spent so much time: 1) Slandering Guru's Bani 2) Inciting others to do the same thus adding a happy bonus multiplier If I was a betting man (which I am not), even if I had 1% doubt in my mind that I maybe wrong on this one issue I would not even dare to start laying into Dasam Granth for fear of being so slanderously wrong let alone telling other people what I think and causing them to do the same. For me it's acceptable to say that you don't understand how Dasam Granth fits within Sikhi. Ask intelligent non-loaded condescending questions for sure. Even then you can agree to disagree but trash talk is not Sikh-like in any circumstance. Your conclusions are not truth. They appear to be truth to you as that's all you know. Can you see the lovely little conundrum? While Gurbani talks about other Shastra limitations, the emphasis is that scripture cannot capture God. God is beyond scripture, beyond religion. This is not the same as condemning these Shastra, rather Guru is delivering the truth that even these attempts at describing God cannot even describe even a minute amount of Him. Tejwant, this ego is a subtle thing and as much as you talk about tools in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and how it's changed you (which is great), it seems to me that the message has yet to hit home for you. I maybe wrong so no bets on it! You may figure out tomorrow or later in your life that your world view, your whole paradigm was wrong with respect to a lot of things not just Dasam Granth. That day will be so painful as the ego will resist that realisation like a banshee as it's whole existance is based on the 'knowledge' acquired so far. To be a Sikh is to walk on the path of breaking this ego, make preparations for that day or many days like that. Without these there is no growth. Finally you say you have studied Dasam Granth. Lastly, please can you list your formal study of Dasam Granth, the languages you have mastery of, the exegesis tools you used, your teachers if any. Thanks, Ishvar Singh

Another way to write punjabi - i.e. another script. See here: http://apnaorg.com/shahmukhi/ if you want to learn

Some horrible dubbing and some historical license for sure but interesting none the less: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5p2ko6rIaE...feature=related

Ok - I've already said that people need to develop but I feel not for Khalistan but for their jeevans and for the Panth. So in essence we agree on this point at least in some way (shocking I know) unless your methods wildly differ from those I have outlined already. We differ on the meaning of fundamentalism, that's for sure. I feel the modern usage is incorrect, I feel the words fanatic or extremist is more apt. We differ here as you know - I am not for or against khalistan. My vision therefore is unformulated as I have no desire for or against it. If I did have time to though-experiment it out - it would not be what you expect. 'i'm guessing you think i want a repeat of what happened in the 80s. if thats what you think, then i'll say it now: if it didnt work 25 years ago, it wont work now.' You guessed wronged. That's why I asked what your vision was as the next logical question is how you do propose it will be achieved? I really think you have not thought this out as well as you make out.