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It is the way the King carries out his actions that I feel is the main point. The King has no shortage of female admirers who live for his gaze as shown in the intro. But the story then tells us that the King has two women. With these two women, why does the King feel the need to express his love for one, yet blindfold one to sport with the other? If he were King and they were his wives/companions he would not need to hide his activities. He IS the King after all.
 
This tells us that although there are two women in the palace their relationship is different with the King. One is what we might consider lawful and the other is one we would consider unlawful. This is what seems to be reflected in the root story onloy it has been showed from the opposite viewpoint. To me it seems like the Minister wanted to also portray the charitar as being played like a game. A game of hide and seek, which was fun for the one woman who enjoyed it and took it seriously yet the King and the other woman used it for another purpose. The young Queen in the original story seems to think that it would be some kind of game to move on the King's son and then get him executed when he resisted her advances.
 
Paapiman if you add the charitars as above I will add the Panjabi version from the steek:

 


 
 
good touch to add that bro. it provides an easy access to the gurmukhi script which I feel is essential to read.

This Charitar 30 onwards. So thats 30,31,32,33, and 34.

Here is the page re Mata Kaulan from Gyani Gyan Singh's "Gurbilas Patshahi 6vi":
 

 

Wanted to bump this topic and also share the thoughts of Pyara Singh Padam on Gurmat Sangeet. According to Padam there never was a tradition known as Gurmat Sangeet.

Wanted to share this.

1947. You can see the "Lost Palace" early in the video. What a gem.
 
 

One of the things that is also very apparent from this Charitar is that you should never underestimate the enemy/opposition. The gang of thieves totally underestimated the capability of the person they came to rob, seeing her only as a female therefore assuming she must be weak and feeble, whilst they were men and in greater number.
 
And nor will brute strength solve every situation either.

Here is Gyani Ishar Singh's translation:


 

Just want to add here that there is a sakhi in Puratan Janam Sakhi that Sant Gurbachan Singh Bhindranwale told of, that spoke of Guru Nanak asking Bhai Mardana to keep his kes. Also there is a sakhi of Baba Sri Chand when visiting Guru Ramdas at Amritsar, asking Guru Sahib why his beard is so long.

If we look at an example of in Sri Ramavatar we have this line:
ਪਾਇ ਗਹੇ ਜਬ ਤੇ ਤੁਮਰੇ ਤਬ ਤੇ ਕੋਊ ਆਾਂਖ ਤਰੇ ਨਹੀ ਆਨਯੋ ॥
  Since I held your feet, I do not bring anyone else under my sight .
ਗਹੇ can mean held, gripped, caught etc.
So this line the "hold" is by kaam of the woman.
ਭੋਗ ਕਾਜ ਗਹਿ ਗ੍ਰੇਹ ਮੰਗਾਯੋ ॥੨॥
This to me means, Gripped by the act of bhog, he was invited to her home.
 
Niddar Singhs translation here doesn't fit for me.
 
 
Oh yes. Silly me.
 
This is what Gyani Ishar Singh has translated it as:

Jwala Singh's video on Sri Dasme Patshah's granth Sahib. Does anyone know if this is the same Jvala Singh that posted here some time ago?
 
 

Invite him back to forum.

For me the essence of this story is in the last four lines. The story in theme has been seen partly in another charitar. The Queen is worrried about having no son as heir to the throne. So she concucts a plan to produce a son (this was also in another charitar).  However having produced no son for the King, he takes another woman as a wife. The first wife is jealous and hurt from this and she causes some disharmony in the palace by giving away large amounts of wealth etc.
Anyway towards the end, the first wife slips away from the marital bed to meet a man (i personally think she wants to get pregnant by this man) and the King follows her and sees what she is doing. His first thought is to kill them both but then the news of the Queens infidelity would cause him humiliation so he overlooks her transgression. They carry on their relationship but without any intimacy.
At the end the charitar ends in saying "anything that is broken can be mended, save for a mind and a mirror, " and then goes on to say "the biggest punishment for a servant and a woman is not to kill them but to forget them from thought..."
This is powerful stuff. First the King has the wisdom not to kill both his queen and the person he found her with, for the sake of the Kingship and the rule. But the minister goes onto say that there is a bigger punishment than death and that is to banish them from the mind.
 
Reading it, I think the Queen had a heartfelt desire to make the King happy by producing a heir, but fate decreed otherwise. She had only girls which only lived for a short while and died. She wanted to keep the rule going, but the King took another wife. Seems to be a little bit of everything in this story.

Here is Charitar 33. It is long compared to the ones preceding it:
 

This Neki is one crazy dude.

I have been reading Mahabharat again. I have come across something that is very close to the original CharitroPakhyan root story in resemblance.
When Arjun went to Inder lok, he met the King of the Gandharvs called "Chitar Sen". Whilst Arjun was there there was an apsara (again in the root story and also this apsara was the mother to the Pandav lineage) who wanted to have physical relations with him, but he refused saying that she was like his mother in status( again in the root story). She then cursed him because of his refusal. But she also admonished his for refusing "a woman who had threw herself at him (we saw this line repeated in Ch 21-23) saying that he had sinned by doing so. Remember there is also a reference to Krishna in these Charitars.

Seems to me to be connected with the "third" eye of wisdom.

Yes that is something that one finds out towards the end.

Thats a good idea but would be better off as a seperate topic as well. Just to make it easier to reference.

Charitar 32
 
Chaupai
 
Listen o King I will tell you a story
One that will give you great satisfaction
There lived a woman in the country of Panjab
Who was as illustrious as the moon itself (1)
 
Ras Manjri was the name of the woman
Her beauty gave everyone immense joy
Her husband had gone abroad
By which she was sorely grieved (2)
 
Dohra
 
Some thieves had heard about the great wealth at her house
When it was night they set off in pursuit of this great wealth (3)
 
Chaupai
When the theives came they were seen by the woman
And she spoke to them as such:
"O theives I am your woman
Protect me as one of your own" (4)
 
Dohra
 
"take all the wealth from my house and take along with you
and enjoy me in various ways day and night." (5)
"But first I will make you a meal in my house
and after take me with you, it gives me great joy." (6)
 
Chaupai
 
The thieves said that this is a great woman
and now she has become our woman
First she is making us food
and then also becoming ours (7)
 
Dohra
 
The woman sent the thieves onto the house rooftop
And put the pot onto the stove and began to prepare food (8)
 
Chaupai
 
The thieves were on top of the roof
And she locked the door after coming down (meaning she locked the door to stop them coming down off the rooftop)
She sat down by the oil in order to prepare food
and added a great amount of poison to the food (9)
 
Dohra
 
Throwing a lot of poison into the food she fed it to the thieves
And then came back again securing the lock behind her (10)
 
Chaupai
Laughing heartily she spoke to the thief
And took his hand in hers
She stalled him with her talk
Whilst sitting at the oil that was boiling up (11)
 
Dohra
 
When the oil had become hot and keeping it out of his vision
She threw it on his head and burned the man to death (12)
The head of the thieves was burned to death and the other thieves were poisoned to death
At daylight she went to the Kotwal (station) and revealed all there. (13)
 
End of charitar.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Also the thieves being numerous were outwitted by one woman. This is a very valuable lesson, as life does throw up these situations at you, where you are dealing with several problems/issues at once. This charitar shows how clarity of thinking and planning saved this womans house. It looks to me like this is the message being told by the Minister. He is trying to tell the King that rash thinking leads to destruction of the house. Look at how the woman stayed calm, never allowing anger or fear to control her actions. She stayed calm and was very brave to do what she did.

NIce share. Will be listening to that very soon.

Thanks for adding that.

Yes the word can mean both dust and powder. Powder is the correct word for this line, I just couldn't think of it at the time.