SURYADEV

Cheers for that guys. It had to happen now.....just as I was getting into the Insanity fitness program. Still struggling through it.

I find it hypocritically strange that everyone talks about the evils of caste system. yet to push ahead their agendas all these sikhs/panjabis/indian organisations shamelessly push their caste name about. Even if it means 'de-basing' themselves by being labelled 'backward' or 'lowly'! I wonder when the Brahmins will declare themselves 'backward'?

Does anyone know of any desi-remedies or supplements for symptoms of fatigue after a virus infection? For the past month or so I have been feeling absolutely physically tired. After a full nights sleep, in the morning, climbing up and down the stairs I feel as though I have just been trekking tens of miles. My whole body feels completely fatigued, but mostly my lower limbs. I've had this before and it lasted for 2-3 months before I felt better. Mentally I am alert; its just tired and aching and slightly stiff muscles and joints. I have spoken to my GP, but as usual they just say come back if it last for a few more weeks.

KDS youve raised an interesting point there. If these coconuts and bananas and any other fruit-cases want to be like the goras they must first grow up - quite literally. Anyone else notice how we indians/asians are almost half the height of Europeans? Especially northern and eastern europeans. They are like huuuuge giants when stood next to apne lok. That also includes the amazonian women too. I think there was a survey a few years ago, and the Danish came out as the tallest people in the world.

Lol Yellow little men on the outside; white on the inside.

bananaism???? thats a new 'ism to me

But ...there must be some underlying cause of this. I see it as a form of seeing oneself as less than others - whoever you compare yourself to. Just cant seem to find the word for it! What belief systems do we have in our culture that causes coconutism?

Isn't that another 'committee system'? ......with its endless debates, no decisions ever made, back-handers, lobbying etc.

Can such a process work in the modern age, anywhere in the world?

Just got to get used it now.

cheers HSD

has anyone read his manifesto?

when you go into each thread header/title you need to hover over the title to see how many pages there are in each thread. Otherwise the number of pages are invisible. Is it possible to have the page numbers visible there permanently?

I dont think that you can say that Sri Ram and Krishna Ji were not pooran avtar. It is said that in the 4 yugs, they were pooran avatars for their respective yugs. Dare I say at the same level as Guru Nanak Dev Ji is for Kalyug.

I cant give any proof...Its been such a long time since I was in the womb, i've forgotten everything that I said/did. However , this is what I've been told by preachers in gurdwaras. 'everyone is born a sikh' ;first time I've heard of this. But I have heard that 'everyone is born a MUSLIM, but changes afterwards'. Hence the term 'reverting' back to islam! Another thing is that I believe we as humans have a natural tendency to want to feel that there is a greater being than us, ie God/ Mother Nature etc. Initially this may be in the form of our parents who we think as unfallible and always right but then it evolves into something more supernatural. In other words I believe that all Humans are born Theists, inc babies ( but they just cannot communicate it). Only later when we become educated and start using reason and logic and our experiences do we start denying God.

An beautifully inspiring story from her Wiki page: Deva began her journey with mantra in her mother's womb, as her father chanted the Gayatri Mantra, one of the most sacred mantras of Hinduism, to her daily, and it continued to be her bedtime lullaby after she was born. Many years later, she heard a friend singing the Gayatri and was inspired to put together an album featuring it. She and Miten recorded The Essence in her mother's apartment in Germany, the same one in which she was born and where her parents had sung the Gayatri Mantra to her years before. Deva brought this journey with the Gayatri Mantra full circle in July, 2005, when she and Miten chanted the Gayatri for her father as he was dying: "We kept singing for what must have been over half an hour, when suddenly the monitor showed that he was about to leave. I continued to sing and the last sound he heard as he passed on was his beloved Gayatri Mantra. Finally we ended with the mantra Om and the circle was complete. He had welcomed me onto this planet with the Gayatri and I accompanied him out of this physical existence with it. What a blessing this was for me! It was the first time that I was present at a death, and to be at my father’s is a memory I will cherish all my life." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deva_Premal

all babies are illiterate and cant even count, either. Plus they are dumb.....so what is her point? That we should remain in the same intelectual/spiritual state as we were when born? Also hows about the idea that foetuses spend 9 months in the mothers womb doing Katthan tapasya asking god to release them from the pain of living in the womb, and promising that they will remember the lord in gratitude after taking birth.

MAGAZINE 23 July 2011 Last updated at 00:17 The time when the British army was really stretched By Chris Summers BBC News The British army is due to be reduced to 82,000 by 2020, prompting claims it will be the smallest it has been since the 19th Century. But if Britain had a small army then, how did it control an empire? Think of the British army during the late 19th Century and you might conjure up images of Zulu or Carry On Up The Khyber. Considering the British Empire at its peak included a quarter of the world's population, one would imagine the army was more like Michael Caine and Stanley Baker (from the former) than Kenneth Williams and Sid James (from the latter). But the British Empire managed to maintain hegemony over dozens of colonies with a relatively tiny number of men. Defence Secretary Liam Fox announced this week he planned to cut regular army numbers to 82,000 - 120,000 in total including the Territorial Army (TA) - by 2020. It was widely reported this was the smallest it had been since the Boer war. But according to the National Army Museum, that's not the case. Julian Rylance, from the museum, says the regular army (not including reserves) numbered around 124,000 men during the First Boer War in 1880-81 and was actually much bigger by the time of the Second Boer War in 1899-1902. So has the army ever been smaller than it will be in 2020? "The first regular army - the New Model Army [of England] - was created by Oliver Cromwell and it grew in size from 44,000 to 68,000," says Rylance. The army kept growing throughout the 18th Century (as the British army after the acts of union of 1707) and after the Napoleonic Wars it fell to 92,000 in 1817, before growing again as the British Empire expanded. But Michael Codner, head of military science at the Royal United Services Institute, says Britain has never had a large army. "What we needed was the Royal Navy and a system of indigenous constabularies overseen by a small but professional British army," he says. Military historian, Dr Huw Davies, from King's College London, points out India was garrisoned by hundreds of thousands of locally-recruited sepoys, supervised by fewer than 30,000 British troops. "The empire had to pay for itself and had to be profitable and if you put too much into building up the army the empire is no longer a profitable enterprise," he says. The empire suffered occasional setbacks, such as the Indian Mutiny of 1857, defeat by a huge Zulu force at the Battle of Isandlwana in 1879 and the humbling at the hands of an Afghan army led by Ayub Khan at the Battle of Maiwand the following year. Around this time the Cardwell Reforms - initiated in the wake of the Crimean War - modernised the regimental system, abolished the buying and selling of commissions by officers and banned flogging during peacetime. But how was an empire controlled with such a small force? "It's often thought the British army in the 19th Century just mowed down natives with a machine gun. This is a myth," says military historian Nick Lloyd. "The most remarkable thing is that they often had no technical advantages and we managed it by spending only 2.5% of GDP on defence, which is not much higher than we have today. "We mainly won through teamwork, logistics and organisation," Lloyd says, adding that cunning diplomacy was often used to rule parts of Africa and India. In recent years the newspapers have been full of articles in which senior military figures, or retired grandees, argued the armed forces were "overstretched". But this is nothing new, says Lloyd, who works at the Defence Academy. "[in the 1900s] Lord Roberts campaigned for greater spending on defence. He claimed we were overstretched and needed to spend more to keep up with the likes of Germany and bring more troops back to protect the home country. The Boy Scout movement was part of this movement to train more soldiers." Another echo of the past is the army's role in Afghanistan today. "In the 19th Century we spent a lot of time training the Afghan army, which is identical to the situation we have now in Afghanistan," says Dr Davies. "We didn't want to annex Afghanistan as a colony, but just to have it as a stable buffer zone to prevent the encroachment of Russian agents trying to destabilise India. It was all part of The Great Game." In the 19th Century the embarrassment of military defeats at Khartoum and Isandlwana respectively helped bring down the governments of both Gladstone and Disraeli. By the time of World War I the army, boosted by volunteers and the creation of the TA in 1908, contained almost four million troops and almost as many during World War II. The figure dropped significantly in the 1940s, with hundreds of thousands of demobbed men returning to "civvy street". As the empire withered away the numbers slowly shrank, but the next significant fall was in the 1990s after the end of the Cold War. So, as history shows, the success of an army is not just about its size. A small but professional force has often served Britain just as well. But one thing that never changes is the need for good organisation and leadership. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14218909

I think the word 'tampered' is too strong. I do believe that RN's do change according to circumstances and timeline, hencce the reason there are so many types out there. No doubt the SGPC version will be modified in due course as different events/paradigms change things in the panth. Things that we think are acceptable now may be deemed unacceptable in the future. Maybe some 'Sardar kattar singh karkhoowala' will get voted into the Committee and decide that the current RN is to soft and lax, so he'll decide to amend it to what he thinks it should be. Does that mean that the original version was wrong/incomplete/substandard?

Well....KGM is back on SS.com. HSD reading his post I cant believe that he wrote the above. This is what he had to say on his return from self imposed exile or banvhaas: Singho ive decided to return to the forum after a short while out..thanks to a gupt singh who convinced me to return..i just got disillusioned with not being able to visably see the person i am debating or chatting with...its seems very emotionless..not being able to smile at a brother and hug him when you say fateh...more pyaar in person..anyways time to stop being a whiny little <banned word filter activated> and get on with it.... http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/62255-im-back/ Does it sound like the same person? The poor bechara just needs a cuddle and some hippy-style loving! Oh the stress of fighting for Khalistan.....its a lonely struggle.