SURYADEV

http://books.google.com/books?id=eeeI0WUQS...ntcover#PPR5,M1 Found the above link from tapoban site . A digitised book published by a britisher in 1834.

I've heard on various sikh sites of a story of Sikh POW who were caught by the germans. Thinking they were Muslims the sikh soldiers were sent to Turkey to fight alongside other muslims on behalf of the Axis powers. En route the soldiers escaped and ran on foot all the way back across the Mid-East to Afghanistan to re-join the the British Army. A remarkeable story, and beats The One That Got Away. Has anyone else heard of this story or know its sources ????

What I'd like to know how would anyone know if a girl - or guy has had a brazilian down south.???? :wink: So how can you judge and declare another a patit? It seems these days a girls Sikhi is in her eyebrow hair....cos all you hear people complain about are girls waxing/trimming their brows.

.....hence the reason I posted the question on this forum. no better place than t'internet to hide behind and look silly! LOL

I may still have it in my mothers 'library' collection. will try to find outthe name.

This was in Leicester...not brumsville. Please dont tarnish us noble brummies with the same brush as the darn northerners!!! LOL

lets all listen to the debate before writing critiques, criticsim or de-briefings. If anyone is posting it on the net could you please put it on youtube , as it is easier to view/listen??

A booklet published by Sant Jagjit Singh contains a list of nitnem banis recited by sikhs before 10th guru. I too believe it is all the banis in Panj Granthi- been years since I read through the booklet. Some Sikhs still recite the panj and das granthi in addition to standard nitnem. Admittedly you need time on your hand because it takes ages to go through. I can't remember the title of the booklet , but they used to give it away free - as per Nirmala tradition that you cannot put a value on knowledge. Basically the booklet was a mini-encyclopedia giving lists, details and background info on sanatan/sikh history. ie eventful dates forgotten to modern sikhs,name of 40 mukte, 14 rattans, 9 riddhis, 18 siddhis, list of skills/knowledge a person should learn (not for puritan sikhs, though), categories of foods. 8 types of sexual lust, types of hankar, etc, etc. A real gem of a book!!! Its in Panjabi and recommend anyone to get hold of it to read.

cant see nuthin...!

As stated earlier the Sant Smagam event that took place many years ago, also looking at the differing spellings used by different publishers og gutkas and pothis - not to mention the various ways santhia is taught by different schools. Digressing for a moment - I was once told by a Mehta sudent that there are so many different ways of doing santhia from different sampardas and groups that he advised me not to get too hung up by getting it exactly right ( ie. where to stress a syllable to to place pauses), because as soon as I go to someone elsse I will have to re-learn the bani over again.

the kartarpuri bir is said to be the original version (which actually still exists?) . Would it not be simpler just to copy , word for word, the Kartarpuri Bir and add the bani of 9th Guru??

Anyone.....????

Can anyone recommend a very good quality Panjabi/English-English/Panjabi dictionary?? I've seen a few sold in UK local desi book shops and library stock, but they seem to be be basics of language. I'm looking for graduate level stuff. Cheers

I once heard from someone that there is a 'saraf' on AKJ kirtania's that they will never be able to do kirtan unless they have a copy of the 'amrit kirtan' pothi with them. I think its due to their anti raagmala stance. you will have noticed that whenever they do kirtan they will have this pothi in front of them. Has anyone heard of this before?? NOT AKJ-bashing, but just trying to satisfy those niggling curiosities that I have been hearing for years.

I've recently heard this raag on BBC Asian Network. A fusion of classical with modern dance music. in Teental. Its by a muslim ragi. really nice!! the title is called KARTAR. anyone else heard, what do you make of it??

In the 50's/60's there was a major gathering of the mahapurshes of the panth. they were called together to come up with a solution to the changes that had been made to the SGGS - the manglacharan, changes/ommisions to the lagamatras (ie accents symbols), deletion of the ragamala, larrivar to padshed etc. Do any of you guys know what was the outcome?? From what I understand they were unable to achieve the desired outcome to restore the SGGS to its original form. All the birs that contained mistakes were taken away secretly. Some sants, including Sant isher Singh ji of nanaksar decided that they could no longer tolerate this beadbi and wished to leave this earth ( according to Isher Chamatkar biography book). It is my understanding that the current birs are full of mistakes and changes and deletions. you just need to watch a mass concurrent Akhand Path recitation and you will see that pages are turned over at different times even though they arer on the same verses/ sentances. If you look at gutkas published by different groups you will still notice that manglacharans differ or that some are printed with pplenty of bindi's on many words, whereas others will not have them. If this is the case, as I believe, then the Panth surely is damned for allowing this to happen, then not being willing to amend the mistakes! PLEASE , no knee jerk reactions , just a cool sensible disscusion!

didn't critisize... just stating it. But agree with all you said N3o s!ingh.

another aspect of the maryada - also at patna sahib i think- is that first puja is done to shastar and only then to SGGS. When sangat bows down, it is to the inner sanctum and not to the Aad/Dasam Granths which are at the sides. I've been there a few times and I can say that the experience is absolute magical. no other takhat is the same!

....thats it .....made up my mind.....off to get a Polish bride!!!

Back to the Indian Space Programme.... On a website (tribute to hinduism.com, I think!) the author writes about VIMANA - or ancient indian air/space craft (as well as other indian achievements and technologies). Does anyone here know anything about this stuff?? Apparently , there are old sanskrit treatise written about it many centuries ago. Though he does not mention names.

A question to ask the SGPC and their lot!! Sooo much do they want to distance themselves from anything Hindu and Indian!

Many Moons ago Sant Jagjit Singh Ji Harkhowal wale told of an ancient ceremony of Indian warrior cultures. When a child is born the very first thing that is given to it - even before water or mothers breast- is the milk of a lioness! To instill bir ras/courage etc. Apart from the obvious question: how on earth do you get hold of a lions breastmilk????? Does anyone know anything of this tradition and any other details??

Checked out the old , old cassettes I have from this chap: Released by Music India, various ragas performed by Kumar Ghandarav. Just realised: it could simply be his name; though ironic that he should turn out to be a classicist!

Checked out the old , old cassettes I have from this chap: Released by Music India, various ragas performed by Kumar Ghandarav. Just realised: it could simply be his name; though ironic that he should turn out to be a classicist!

A few weeks ago there was an interesting documentry (Channel 5 , UK)about a group of Christian warriors. The Knights Templar existed at the time of the Crusades in the Holy Land. They were men who dedicated their lives to God and their organisation. They had no personal possesions, would not marry. They were in existance over 200yrs with centres in most parts of Europe, gained immense wealththrough trade, banking etc. Programme stated they had more wealth and money in Normandy than the whole of England did! They answered to no man but the Pontiff in Rome. Eventually they were destroyed by the jealous French emporer. The senior knights in their Parisian HQ arrested on trumpped up charges of heresy. I could not help but think of of similarities with Nihang Dals of old (sans bhang). Do any of you guys know anything more of this holy order??