Kaljug

Krishan Bishen refer to Krishna and Vishnu. As to the identity of Kal, it's pretty clear tha the reference is to Akal Purakh and not any devata or devi. To anyone who was wondering, the Gobind Sadan Dasam Granth pothia have exactly the same tuk and exactly the same translation as given above. See page 402 of the 2648 pdf of all the pothia or angs 148-149 of their version of Krishan Avatar. As to the hindu mat being propagated above by the poster who claims that Kal is a reference to kali: :-D K.

Yes, Chandi di Var is read before sunset, best time as always is at amritvela. You have to read it continuously until the following morning if you read it after sunset. Sant Baba Harnam Singh's diary Se Kinehyaa explains this maryada. Baba Santa Singh in his Panth Prakash Steek says that one should be standing and wearing shastars when one reads Chandi bani. BUT I think this is an ideal since not even Nihangs do this in private (not that I've witnessed anyway). You can have nangi shaster in front of you in an elevated place when you read Chandi di Var, but this is not necessary either. You should be wearing a kirpan at the very least though. MODS, please remove the irrelevant off-topic anti-Dasam Granth propaganda. K.

Jaikaara: Chandi di Var is supposed to be read at amritvela. If you recite it in the evening, then you need to recite it continuously until sunrise (as per Baba Harnam Singh Rampur Khere wale). Also, whereas a Hindu might worship a geometrical shape made of interconnected triangles as representing Devi, for a Sikh any naked shastar represents Chandi (who in turn represents Akal Purakh's Shakti) and can be namaskared when reciting Chandi di Var. Ghostface Killah: Braham Kavach is a bir ras bani which is present in some birs of Sri Dasam Granth. The Nihangs still recite 32 times as per their maryada. Whitegrass, Laadli Fauj: Cool. Now all I need is the time to recite 21 Chandi di Vars. :-D K.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh! Is there a maximum to the number of Chandi di Vars one should recite each day? I have heard some people say that one should not read more than 5. For those of you who read Braham Kavach, do you recite all 32 in the morning? Is it possible to split them up during the day, e.g., half in morning with nitnem and half in the evening with rehras? Thanks, K.

Jhatka Patkash is by Giani Niranjan Singh, but yes I was referring to Bhai Randhir Singh Narangval (of AKJ) as the author of Tat Gurmat NItnay. K.

It's called Sikh Dharam Shastar on that site. Some of the pages are not clear, but here's the link: http://www.panjabdigilib.org/webuser/searches/displayPage.jsp?ID=2958&page=1&CategoryID=1&Searched= Search under Avtar Singh for some of his other works. K.

It's about the history and traditions of jhatka in the Sikh Panth. There's more info here: http://www.nihangsingh.org/website/trad-jhatka.html K.

Thanks, I'd appreciate that. It was written by Giani Niranjan Singh Saral in response to Bhai Randhir Singh's Tat Gurmat Nirnay. Once published by the SGPC, no longer. K.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh! Anyone know where one could purchase this book? Does anyone have this rare granth who is willing to either scan it in themselves or willing to send it to a scanning company and then put it online? I'm willing to pay for the granth to be scanned in if there is no time to scan it yourself. Thanks, K.

Perhaps a good place to start would be to take a looksee at all of the puratan histories and hukumnamas and see if they say 5 Singhs or 5 Sikhs should give khande ki pahul. Then we can decide whether Singh can refer to a female brahmgyani. Also, my jatha is better than yours. :-D K.

Neo Singh, Deep questions, veer ji, and some complex hypothetical situations. Hopefully, someone who has answers to them will reply. Firstly, I mentioned Sant Jagjit Singh mostly because I know you are a student of his and I was interested to learn if he had gone into it more in depth with you. I would be grateful if you would raise this question with him when next you see him. My own opinion was given above separately along with my reasoning. My basic stance is that there should be no change in panthic maryada by anyone of any avastha when it affects the lives of others who do not have brahmgyani avastha - I don't have a problem with someone of that avastha choosing not to follow Khalsa rehat if they are a mast by nature. I don't believe anyone of any avastha has any right to change maryadas that were in put in place by the Guru ji Himself. I don't think there is any problem with the other form of amrit that one gets in Nirmal/Udasi/Sevapanthi panth being administered by male or female since they have more to do with brahmgyaan alone and little to do with the shastardhari soorbir side of Sikhi. I believe they are just as valid as Khalsa amrit sanchaar for those who want to follow that path. Now, on a more personal note, I don't accept uncritically everything that is said by every Sant. For example, I disagree with Sant Ji's views on jhatka, sukhnidhaan, shikaar and a few other things because they are contrary to Sikh history and writings, though I appreciate that he has his own reasons for his strict injunctions against things like meat because of his Saadh background. I'd appreciate it if you would PM me in future if you take issue with the stance that I take on topics unrelated to the OPs initial question. Otherwise, the thread is likely to end up as messy and disconnected as some others on this forum recently. Regards to you and yours, K.

Have you spoken with Sant Jagjit Singh Harkhowale about this issue? I recall him telling the sangat the reasons that Panj Piaray had to be men (similar to Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale's given in the clip above), and also advising that the Singhs in the Panj Piaray needed to be healthy in body (he gave example of why a Singh with a missing limb should not be in the Panj Piaray) as well as in his Sikhi. My personal opinion is that maryada should not be altered by anyone, brahmgyani or not, if it is Guru given. I also feel that since Khande Ki Pahul was initially a warrior's initiation and given first by 5 Sikhs in male human form, it should always be administered by 5 Sikhs in male human form who have health, strength, and at least some understanding of shastar puja/vidya. Yes, brahmgyanis are beyond gender in spiritual avastha but their physical roop has a gender, and an energy based on this gender, which is represented and passed on by them during amrit sanchar. K.

Well done. That makes 3 threads you have derailed and destroyed in the last few days with your incessant bullshit about Sanatan this and Sanatan that. You are a completely ignorant and arrogant person. What does your bullshit have to do with Mukat Marg Granth? Have you even read it? Why bother to spread your verbal faeces all over this thread if you have nothing to add to the original topic? The truth is that your so-called spiritual experience has derailed your mind so that you are no longer capable of thinking of anything in a rational manner. You are worshipping your experience as some kind of ultimate truth that you hsva to share with the rest of the world. It's too bad, but ... well, spiritual experiences, especially when they are forced upon you by some egotistical gooroo looking for new followers, can be dangerous to an unstable mind. It's why Gurbani recommends humility and complete surrender to Guru Ji (and not to a plethora of human gooroos), to prevent the ego from making an idol out of the experience. The reason that you are repeatedly thrown off Sikh forums is not because you have unveiled some magnificently complex conspiracy and only you have the true form of Sikhi, but because you rudely and repeatedly pollute every thread with your obsession. I'm sure that, if you are thrown off this forum (and no, there are not secret groups of people trying to have you banned - you are just not that important), you will pat yourself on the back and consider yourself a martyr of some sorts who fell trying to save Sikhi and Hinduism all in one fell swoop, but the truth is that you are simply rude and objectionable and are incapable of letting someone ask a simple question without trying to spread your own delusions. Don't bother to reply to this post. I don't have time to read your confused and rambling 3000 word replies. K.

Thanks for proving my point. Countless people here have already tried to discuss things intelligently with you but it's clear to everyone that you are too brainwashed to take their comments on board. Case in point is the quote in your sig in which all you manage to glean from a 9 page criticism of Fenech's views is that "Singh Sabha is teh evul!!11". Did you even read Mukat Marg Granth before you typed your essay and hit reply? If you want to learn anything, I suggest that you STHU and reply to threads only if you have something relevant to discuss rather than use them as a platform to propagate your "Sanatan" myth. And stop playing the martyr when your contributions are criticised. It's a pretty pathetic tactic. K.

Can mods also remove this "Seeks r hindoos!!!" and the Singh Sabha discussion and place it somewhere else in a more appropriate thread? In fact, I'd suggest letting Harjas Kaur to have her own little "special" section of the forum where she can try to connect every single sentence in disparate threads into some grand U-R-all-Hindus-Singh-Sabha-is-evil conspiracy theory since we cannot seem to stop her from destroying any thread she replies in by making it into her personal "Everything is Sanatan Dharam!!!11" megathread. K.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh! For those of you who may not have heard yet, the sevadars at nihangsingh.org have given the site a new look and updated many of the sections. Regards, K.

Did you read the whole article in your sig or did you just pick the bits and pieces that fit into your Hinduphile Sikhi? The author criticises Louis Fenech's writings. You know, the same idiot who argued that there was nothing great about Sri Guru Arjan Dev Ji's martyrdom, that Sikhs became martyrs because they could not abide taunts and not because of the example of the Gurus, who equated Singh Sabha with Christian Crusaders and Islamic Jihadists. Are you seriously accepting the Eurocentric and notoriously anti-Sikh Fenech as some authoritative and unbiased source as to what constitutes Sikhi and what the Singh Sabha was about? At first I thought you a seriously misguided soul looking for truth. Now I find that you are just a fool. K.

I'd like to hear what Tsingh has to say about this issue also. K.

Can mods please delete or move the usual Kala Afghana nonsense from this thread as they are off-topic and add nothing to this discussion? K.

Persepolis is neat also. None of the other ones I mentioned are superhero graphic novels. The Invisibles for example is about postmodernism, punk, mysticism, the illusory nature of concensus reality, and about undermining that great temple of maya, the status quo. K.

They use hypnotic regression on the programme to put people under. FWIW, I believe most past life memories that are uncovered during hypnosis are simply symbolic fantasies that the subconscious uses to communicate and to heal. It's great if you are in counselling attempting to deal with treauma, but I wouldn't pin my hopes on these recovered past lives being historically real in any sense. K.

No, chatkaing the fly's poo after the fly has been chatkaed is skill: K.

In case you actually missed the point, the Akal Takht Hukumnama is a sign that Sri Dasam Granth is Gurbani and that the Sikh Panth will not tolerate any disrespect of their Father's bani by sharaabi kabaabi midgets or anyone else for that matter. Anyone who speaks out against Sri Dasam Granth is by definition outside the Sikh Panth. By aligning yourself with Ragi Darshan Lal you are willingly placing yourself outside of the Panth. K.

I guess even the gods gotta eat. I recall hearing a story, perhaps on this very forum, of Baba Santa Singh taking the Nihangs to Nepal during one of these events. The Nepalis gave him an animal that had huge horns reaching over the back of his neck so that it was almost impossible to jhatka. So Baba Santa Singh draws his shastar and cuts upwards from the throat of the animal up and beheads it with one blow. K.

LOL Some good ones to look out for: Neil Gaiman's Sandman, Alan Moore's Watchmen, Grant Morrison's The Invisibles, Preacher, and Constantine. Great story by the way! K.