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Nah HSD. Some Sikhs are bullet proof mfs! Even if this one was a Hindufied brother. I remember an old boss of mine got shot 5/6 times in an armed robbery and still survived! lol

Interesting. I read some quote by Malcolm I think (well it was from the first half of the 19th century whoever wrote it), and it specifically referred to nihangs bowling about with matchlocks even then. I'm wondering when flintlocks became common in Panjab? In anycase, from what I understand even with a flintlock you had to stick gunpowder in the 'pan' with every shot. That is some long arse process! lol What - gol guppay? lol Try soaking them overnight first pendu! lol Hang on. Are you talking about those dry roasted spicey ones? Actually I remember a very early Euro account of Singhs mentioning that they mainly ate 'vetches and tares' whatever the heck they might might be. If I recall rightly the way it described the nihang 'luxury dish' was some roti broken into pieces and soaked in daal...... and that's when they were in 'full leisure' apparently. Those nihangs were a spartan lot....wonder what happened to make so many of them become pot bellied? Too much 'full leisure' I guess? I saw a Ray Mears show once and I think they used to make thin strips of raw meat and then salt them heavily, leaving them out to dry in the sun on lines. They would start a small smokey fire underneath the drying meat, to keep flies off through the ਧੂੰਆਂ.

sdp I would say that a lot of people are slowly realising that many aspects of the 'modern life' you talk of are often harmful, shallow and unnatural. That is why so many people convert to religion in response in my opinion. In that respect people do often yearn for a simpler, more wholesome, spiritually and ecologically holistic lifestyle. The battle between 'modernity' and traditional lifestyles is far from over or concluded. Any large ecological disaster may set back the modern stuff seriously, then we'll be back to more basic lifestyles and rules of governance.

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I'm not surprised. They are seriously crooked in Panjab. Hell, nearly every family I know of has a tale of how they were ripped off by their relatives back home. A complete breakdown of trust in the infrastructure if you ask me. lol

No **** told me!

I think this is the type of stuff that makes kids think this forum is Hindu/sanatan?

I think the English word you are looking for is 'smoulder'. Thanks for this but I was actually wondering about how they would have started fires whilst on the go, moving from place to place. One could do what you mention if one was staying in one location, but it wouldn't be feasible whilst on the move. I presume they knew about flint stones? (And I don't mean the Yabba daba do type!). If they had gunpowder (black powder), which was likely given the warfare going on, they could have used some of that to help as well.

If you read DG in general, it quickly becomes apparent that Guru ji uses a lot of metaphor and poetic imagery/language. So you can't really take the above statement literally.

Before the advent of matches (sinkaan), do we know how nihangs/Singhs would have started fires for cooking etc. say whilst in the jungles when temporarily camping? DO we know or have we lost this knowledge?

Are you looking to be an Islamic scholar now? Can you honestly say you make this much effort to understand Sikhi to similar depths?

Do you really think this is solely a matter of laziness?

What do you think these bigger problems are?

The lengths some apnay go to to get laid is staggering sometimes.....

Good! I for one feel uncomfortable and strangely effeminate when I try and speak Hindi or Urdu....

This bit is worrying......Waheguru! So we have dumbasses who've conned their way into medical school who really do not have the intelligence/aptitude for this type of stuff....

KDS, do you think the medical sector examination scene is effected by the general corruption that seems to pervade Panjab's education system or do you think it has transcended this? Basically, are we getting incompetent low ability students being passed, who are then training as doctors?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2011/jan/17/muslim-resistance-struggle-within-video The closing statement is quite insightful in my opinion. The person openly states he isn't a 'moderate' and alludes to the fact that whilst they are against Al Mujaruion, the media will portray them as moderate but once the 'dirty work' is done, they will go back to their former stance.

What a flippin' pukkah jaloos!

Look whose talking! The man who starts frothing at the mouth like a rabid dog at the mere mention of sullay..... Plus your statistical bullshit is probably even less accurate than the frank words of your brothers on a building site anyway. To paraphrase: "There are lies, damn lies and Tony's bullshit." Ee ya ee ya oye!

I have to add. If you are my generation. You should feel ashamed of yourself for still peddling your jatt shite after seeing what a complete failure it has been after all these years. Face it. Your people tried leading, it flopped (spectacularly) and has caused a world of problems. Now just shut up and stand to the side while people try something new (for a change).

Seek help yourself, it's your own people with the mountain of problems they've brought upon themselves. Change your ways or carry on sinking. Simples.

More and more, they are not. Anyway, no need to carry this on in my opinion. I've heard enough farmyard bullshit to last me a lifetime now. Try keeping it to yourselves instead of wrapping it around Sikhi. Personally, I'm not falling for any of the farmer sob stories again myself.

Did you ever consider though. How like a white man can never truly know what it feels like to be a nonwhite persistently on the receiving end of overt and/or covert racism (like say in Southern states of America for instance), you yourself, by virtue of your position, may be incapable of truly understanding what goes on along this caste fissure? I'm not saying that every last jatt manifests the characteristics you outlined, what I am saying is that there are ideologically based corruptions in jatt society that infect the wider Sikh community due to numerical influence. That caste crap at village level is an example. Another one I witnessed growing up is the prevalence of drinking, which when I was a youth was considered specifically a jatt trait (one they were proud of mind you). Other jaats would make comments to the effects of 'look typical jatts getting drunk and rowdy'. An unbelievably disproportionate amount of Off Licenses were owned by jatts (probably still are) in London too. In anycase, fast forward a few decades and somehow those ostentatious booze fuelled wedding that were once the cultural marker of jatts are now bloody common to all Panjabis, regardless of jaat?!! Now I'm not saying that you personally indulge in any of this type of stuff. I'm sure you are a good guy but in the same way wasp ideology infects enough British people to make it potent force, jatt ideology is taken on board by enough jatts to effect that community and it's relationship with not only other nonjat Sikhs but other Indians too, in a negative way.

"Can we feel contrition for other people's crimes? Can we feel contrition for crimes we have not committed personally, but have subsequently profited from? How can we formulate the criteria for contrition to make them applicable to collective responsibility for historical crimes? Perhaps like this: We freely admit that our predecessors have done wrong and that we are profiting from it. We ask forgiveness of those who were wronged and of their descendants. We promise to do our best to make amends to those who were wronged for the effects that still remain. The larger the collective, the more diluted the personal responsibility. The less intimate the contrition, the greater the risk that it will just be hollow ceremony." Sven Lindqvist