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what lalleshvari actually said was: it's a matter of terminology. according to lalleshvari, the term sanatan dharam was not used before the 19th century, so he prefers to use puratan sikhi. although i'm sure i heard a quote from sarbloh granth mentioning sanatan dharam... i may be wrong... could anyone clarify? the term dinosaur did not exist before the last millenium... that does not mean dinosaurs did not exist before then! another example is that the term akhand kirtani jatha was not always used... before it was known as bhai randhir singh da jatha. people now choose to use the term akj... but that does not mean that akj did not exist before the conception of the name.

would that be if they were leaving sikhi? or any religion? do u feel it would be your duty to make sure someone wanting to convert to sikhism understood their own religion fully?

jaithasaree mehalaa 4 ghar 1 choupadhae Jaitsree, Fourth Mehl, First House, Chau-Padas: ik oa(n)kaar sathigur prasaadh || One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru: maerai heearai rathan naam har basiaa gur haathh dhhariou maerai maathhaa || The Jewel of the Lord's Name abides within my heart; the Guru has placed His hand on my forehead. janam janam kae kilabikh dhukh outharae gur naam dheeou rin laathhaa ||1|| The sins and pains of countless incarnations have been cast out. The Guru has blessed me with the Naam, the Name of the Lord, and my debt has been paid off. ||1|| maerae man bhaj raam naam sabh arathhaa || O my mind, vibrate the Lord's Name, and all your affairs shall be resolved. gur poorai har naam dhrirraaeiaa bin naavai jeevan birathhaa || rehaao || The Perfect Guru has implanted the Lord's Name within me; without the Name, life is useless. ||Pause|| bin gur moorr bheae hai manamukh thae moh maaeiaa nith faathhaa || Without the Guru, the self-willed manmukhs are foolish and ignorant; they are forever entangled in emotional attachment to Maya. thin saadhhoo charan n saevae kabehoo thin sabh janam akaathhaa ||2|| They never serve the feet of the Holy; their lives are totally useless. ||2|| jin saadhhoo charan saadhh pag saevae thin safaliou janam sanaathhaa || Those who serve at the feet of the Holy, the feet of the Holy, their lives are made fruitful, and they belong to the Lord. mo ko keejai dhaas dhaas dhaasan ko har dhaeiaa dhhaar jaga(n)naathhaa ||3|| Make me the slave of the slave of the slaves of the Lord; bless me with Your Mercy, O Lord of the Universe. ||3|| ham a(n)dhhulae giaaneheen agiaanee kio chaaleh maarag pa(n)thhaa || I am blind, ignorant and totally without wisdom; how can I walk on the Path? ham a(n)dhhulae ko gur a(n)chal dheejai jan naanak chaleh mila(n)thhaa ||4||1|| I am blind - O Guru, please let me grasp the hem of Your robe, so that servant Nanak may walk in harmony with You. ||4||1||

i'm confused... are u saying that only punjabis have a sense of honour and dignity? just say it straight!! if u think someone's "trying to create trouble and disunity" at least have the balls to say who it is. & don't try & be high & mighty saying that would be slander... slander is when u say something that is false. if u have any conviction in what u claim people are doing at least act like a man & say it! stop acting like a fussar. who are these "non-Punjabis" u are referring to? Mod's Note: Edited- Please control your temper. Take it over the pm! Just an freindly warning for now

details on the uk punjab heritage association: http://ukpha.org/ukpha.htm

care to elaborate? kamalroop, i remember attending a very disturbing & saddening lecture by gurmeet rai at the victoria & albert museum. is there anything we can do to help? anyway in which we can give donations or volunteer to help with her restoration efforts?

u already have! :roll: what is your definition of "Sanatan Dharm"? & which sanatan scriptures are u referring to?

i'm assuming then that u disagree with the sources provided by narsingha. could u please refute them with relevant evidence/sources. off topic. please take it up on the vegetarianism thread... which reminds me... mods? what's happening with the veggy thread?

beast, everyone has a right to have their own opinion. sikh princess, have u heard the cd? do u agree with the lyrics of the track by malkeet singh? same question was brought up on this thread: http://sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness/vie...t=4641&start=30 i disagree. why should santa singh have to clarify his position? if someone wishes to know what he did & why, it is their responsibility to ask him.

*guv picks himself off the floor slowly, wipes the tears from his eyes... falters... stumbles... then falls back down* NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! anyone watch the match?

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:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: last 2 minutes?!???? how??? how???? why????? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...(takes a deep breath)...OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...(& again)...OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bling: :bling: :bling: :bling: :bling: :bling: :bling: :bling: :bling: :bling: :bling: :bling: :bling: what unnatural forces made the french win... in the last 2 minutes??!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...(deep breath)...aaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: i'm going to drown my sorrows... with lots & lots of chocolate. (the now 2 stone heavier) guv

'sikhism' is a revealed religion created by man. [break] sikhi is.

if anyone wants to know what is going to happen in their future or what happened in their previous lives or who's going to win big brother etc. i am now offering an online kundalini reading. & to show that i'm not a fake, i am offering a money back guarantee for anyone whose prophecies do not come true exactly as stated. for the first week only, price is just £50gbp... usual price £300gbp. sant (self-proclaimed) guv ji onlinewale [small print: money back guaranteed to a maximum amount of 20p]

on another thread, jtsingh & narsingha stated that namdharis & nihangs are against the killing of cows. narsingha also provided the following sources as evidence of that: why is it that the cow is held in such high esteem? & is the same view held by all the other sampardavas?

very very true kamalroop. beautiful post. just one question on what u said here. is that from 'man jeetay jag jeet'? because i had always been told that 'jag' referred to jagat.

no not yet... been a bit busy with other stuff, but i will email everyone who sent me a pm / replied to this thread soon.

no. nor did i insinuate that. i never said he must turn to another religion. try reading through my posts again with a clear mind. is there only one path to rab?... or many? this has gone completely off the topic now. if u wish to continue this discussion, please start a new thread.

thanks for the clarification fateh singh

it's not so much that they stop static electricity, as they do not induce it (as opposed to plastic combs) could not the same be said of all combs... & perhaps brushes too? could u provide a reference for that please. i'd be very interested to find out more.

my view is that the path to akaal is through unconditional love, whether someone finds that through sikhi, islam, another religion or no religion. i guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this issue.

caption: "Naamdhari Sikhs. These Sikhs were the first freedom fighters in India to raise arms against British." check this link for some amazing namdhari rag kirtan: http://www.namdhari.faithweb.com/radio.htm

i prefer "the brain"!

beautiful discourse. i recommend everyone to take out 10 minutes to read through. u can read anurag sagar online here: http://www.aors-dbbs.org/enter/references/.../asp1pre001.htm satguru kabir sahib ji